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InvisibleBurke Dennings
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Canadian police seize 42 kilograms of carfentanil in bust. * 1
    #24717790 - 10/17/17 07:05 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

http://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/canada/police-make-massive-seizure-of-carfentanil-in-home-east-of-toronto-1.3634673

PICKERING, Ont. - Police in southern Ontario have seized 42 kilograms of the deadly opioid carfentanil, saying it's believed to be the largest seizure of the drug in the country.
Carfentanil is a synthetic opioid similar to fentanyl but 100 times more potent, and an amount weighing less than a grain of salt can kill someone. 

Durham regional police say they seized 53 kilograms of unknown substances from a Pickering, Ont., home on Sept. 20 and Health Canada has confirmed 42 kilograms of that was carfentanil.
They say a 33-year-old Oshawa, Ont., man is charged with possession of carfentanil for the purpose of trafficking.
Police also seized 33 guns and other prohibited devices in their search of the home.
The man was charged last month with 337 weapons-related charges, including careless storage of a firearm, unauthorized possession of a firearm and possession of a restricted or prohibited firearm.

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Re: Canadian police seize 42 kilograms of carfentanil in bust. [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #24718101 - 10/17/17 08:55 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Holy shit, cant believe this is real. Someone could throw a little in your mouth and kill you.


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Re: Canadian police seize 42 kilograms of carfentanil in bust. [Re: The Mycologist]
    #24718144 - 10/17/17 09:12 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Legalize Cyanide!

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Re: Canadian police seize 42 kilograms of carfentanil in bust. [Re: The Mycologist] * 2
    #24718148 - 10/17/17 09:14 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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The Mycologist said:
Holy shit, cant believe this is real. Someone could throw a little in your mouth and kill you.




Someone could dust it into the air from a plane and kill a whole city I imagine :eek:

Or if some ended up in the water supply.... :uhoh:

People selling RC's like these are the scum of the earth. We need to end the drug war ASAP before they get even more dangerous.


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Re: Canadian police seize 42 kilograms of carfentanil in bust. [Re: musiclover420]
    #24718161 - 10/17/17 09:19 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

the chinese are the ones making it

maybe CIA black ops too

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Re: Canadian police seize 42 kilograms of carfentanil in bust. [Re: Konyap]
    #24718166 - 10/17/17 09:21 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Konyap said:
the chinese are the ones making it

maybe CIA black ops too




True but without a black market and dealers cutting heroin and pills with it there wouldn't be any problem.

If people want to order poison off the internet and use it to get high good for them, that's Darwinism in action :lol: but selling it especially as other things is incredibly fucked.


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Re: Canadian police seize 42 kilograms of carfentanil in bust. [Re: musiclover420] * 1
    #24718167 - 10/17/17 09:21 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Jesus Christ that’s not even an hour from where I live.
Good to see that much of this garbage is off the street. Tho sadly I’m sure that’s not even made a dent. Why is this happening :sad:


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Re: Canadian police seize 42 kilograms of carfentanil in bust. [Re: Zombi3]
    #24718202 - 10/17/17 09:36 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

the stuff coming from china/india is most always 98%+ pure --- Not the problem

Its a problem when someone, rebrands it as something else and passes it off, as just 'dope'  then the OD's happen.


Funny it seems like every other day we are hearing about HUGE busts of the stuff,  Have to wonder where its all going,  I mean some one has to be sitting on massave stock piles

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Re: Canadian police seize 42 kilograms of carfentanil in bust. [Re: LIBERTYNY]
    #24718246 - 10/17/17 09:50 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Is this the most common fent analog available right now or what?
Cuz it sucks and that confuses me. It’s strong AS FUCK but isn’t a good high which has me wondering why in specific is this one seemingly the most imported. There’s other fent analogs that may not be as strong as this one but at least they have a somewhat decent high when compared to carfent. Not that I’d be any happier to find butyrfentanyl or anything else instead of carfent in my dope I’m just curious if there’s any reasoning other than the potency for this particular analog to be most prevalent...


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Re: Canadian police seize 42 kilograms of carfentanil in bust. [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #24718259 - 10/17/17 09:53 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Good. This stuff scares the hell out of me.


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Re: Canadian police seize 42 kilograms of carfentanil in bust. [Re: Konyap]
    #24718343 - 10/17/17 10:26 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Konyap said:
Legalize Cyanide!






A handfull of apple seeds and a hydraulic press is all you need to obtain cyanide...

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Re: Canadian police seize 42 kilograms of carfentanil in bust. [Re: Zombi3]
    #24718386 - 10/17/17 10:56 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Why is this happening :sad:




Cheap way for people to get rich


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Re: Canadian police seize 42 kilograms of carfentanil in bust. [Re: Atreyu]
    #24718409 - 10/17/17 11:16 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Atreyu said:
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Zombi3 said:
Why is this happening :sad:




Cheap way for people to get rich




In the end it's pretty much because of prohibition, so we have Reagan and Nixon to thank.


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Re: Canadian police seize 42 kilograms of carfentanil in bust. [Re: musiclover420]
    #24718703 - 10/18/17 05:51 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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The man was charged last month with 337 weapons-related charges,




Thats an awful lot of charges. Why wasn't he already in jail?


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Re: Canadian police seize 42 kilograms of carfentanil in bust. [Re: Konyap]
    #24718715 - 10/18/17 05:59 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Konyap said:
Legalize Cyanide!



Why? I did not know it wads illegal ahhh sheesh! Peace & Love


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Re: Canadian police seize 42 kilograms of carfentanil in bust. [Re: The Mycologist]
    #24718717 - 10/18/17 06:01 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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The Mycologist said:
Holy shit, cant believe this is real. Someone could throw a little in your mouth and kill you.




Or just a wind blows. Done. Would never keep anything like that, esp in powder form, anywhere within 100 miles. I hope it was vac-sealed. Anyway fuck that guy and his insane amount of carfentantil. Hes lucky hes in canada, here he might get fucking life. And he might deserve it


Ps i dont think cyanide is illegal


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Re: Canadian police seize 42 kilograms of carfentanil in bust. [Re: Peyote Road]
    #24718719 - 10/18/17 06:03 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Peyote Road said:
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The man was charged last month with 337 weapons-related charges,




Thats an awful lot of charges. Why wasn't he already in jail?




Canada is awfully nice, isnt it? I mean thats not even 2nd amendment land

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Konyap said:
the chinese are the ones making it

maybe CIA black ops too




Made in china like all other rc's. I dunno if cia is distributing, but uber drivers apparently actually do. (Was on the news feed). About the uber driver and his tons of uber-stamped dope/fent. Heroin (carfentanil, ahem) is def being distributed in some really big and perhaps under the nose ways lately

If an agency wanted to distribute it, theyd prolly get it from, and blame it on china. Then trump would give a speech,


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Re: Canadian police seize 42 kilograms of carfentanil in bust. [Re: Fractal420]
    #24718815 - 10/18/17 07:25 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

So basically, legalize poppy tea/raw opium?  Government shouldn't interfere with the relationship between man and the natural world?  Can't prohibit things that could be growing in your own backyard?  Put a few doses of cheap, generic narcan in most first aid kits and then just leave people the fuck alone?

Makes sense to me.  We'd have a few more people that need their tea a few times a day, but a lot less real problems.


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Re: Canadian police seize 42 kilograms of carfentanil in bust. [Re: AllGreyThumbs]
    #24719374 - 10/18/17 12:30 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

but, why?  We debated this in a class setting a bit a few weeks ago...  My first thought was that it must be much much cheaper to produce than other opiates, but someone shot that down.

If it is not a higher financial gain for those dealing, then why the fuck is it even out there?


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Re: Canadian police seize 42 kilograms of carfentanil in bust. [Re: nubgrower]
    #24719538 - 10/18/17 01:59 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

I'm pretty sure it's used to cut heroin... But not sure why something like that would be produced in the first place? Other than to start killing off addicts...which is pretty fucked up

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Re: Canadian police seize 42 kilograms of carfentanil in bust. [Re: nubgrower]
    #24719740 - 10/18/17 03:09 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

How can this be a drug, it's a lethal poison


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Re: Canadian police seize 42 kilograms of carfentanil in bust. [Re: M44]
    #24720264 - 10/18/17 06:26 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

fentanyl is used in hospitals as a solution
it's still even dangerous then as people with no tolerances take it and o.d.

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Re: Canadian police seize 42 kilograms of carfentanil in bust. [Re: Konyap]
    #24720559 - 10/18/17 08:27 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

I don't mind fentynal but this grain of salt dose cart shit is just retarded, is it really that strong?


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Re: Canadian police seize 42 kilograms of carfentanil in bust. [Re: 5150]
    #24720567 - 10/18/17 08:32 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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5150 said:
I don't mind fentynal but this grain of salt dose cart shit is just retarded, is it really that strong?




It's like 100x as potent as fent I believe, so yes it's obscenely potent :eek:

Probably at least 1000x as potent as morphine...


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Re: Canadian police seize 42 kilograms of carfentanil in bust. [Re: nubgrower]
    #24721807 - 10/19/17 12:02 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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nubgrower said:
but, why?  We debated this in a class setting a bit a few weeks ago...  My first thought was that it must be much much cheaper to produce than other opiates, but someone shot that down.

If it is not a higher financial gain for those dealing, then why the fuck is it even out there?




Your initial logic was correct. Fentanyl is extremely cheap. Such a small amount goes a long way. 1 gram of Fent is 1000's of doses. Imagine how far that can be spread when cutting dope.

This whole thing is terrifying.

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Re: Canadian police seize 42 kilograms of carfentanil in bust. [Re: Leftfield420]
    #24727308 - 10/21/17 03:32 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Leftfield420 said:
I'm pretty sure it's used to cut heroin... But not sure why something like that would be produced in the first place? Other than to start killing off addicts...which is pretty fucked up




If your a drugwar warrior, maybe the deaths from poisoning the supply, if it reduces the market, is worthwhile. And yes, who could argue, it's "pretty fucked up"

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Re: Canadian police seize 42 kilograms of carfentanil in bust. [Re: deucedbi9]
    #26482255 - 02/12/20 04:07 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

10,000 x strength of morphine if it's pure carfent. This is a fucking abomination; that's equivelent to 420,000 kilograms or 420,000,000 grams of pure morphine.

  Fucking China has been dumping so many opioid and benzodiazapine analogues on the US over the last decade. This really kicked off with the explosion of jwh; with the loose laws for precursers in China they realized analogues of all established drugs was easy money & grey area legally to produce. So now anyone with a computer a a small amount of cash can grab lifetimes of their drug of choice in an analogue form. Benzodiazepine addiction has gotten really bad here in CO.

  This should be seen as an act of war on China's part of letting their citizens create and dump enough of these analogues to kill our entire country thousands of times over. This is 100% the weaponization of drugs.


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Re: Canadian police seize 42 kilograms of carfentanil in bust. [Re: O_Dweeds]
    #26482256 - 02/12/20 04:08 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Just got through 2 weeks of acute WD myself after 5 years of opiate (pods/seeds) use and 6-7 years of benzodiazapine use after going cold turkey on both. I cannot believe how much time I just floated through. Spent it starting a family but I cannot even fucking remember most of it looking back on videos and photos. Specifically the benzos, just steal your awareness right out from you and as soon as you stop the worst WD known to man, and deadliest, for 2 weeks begin. I wouldn't wish this on anyone. This made heroin cold turkey seem like fun.


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Re: Canadian police seize 42 kilograms of carfentanil in bust. [Re: toader123]
    #26482475 - 02/12/20 06:37 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

nubgrower said:
but, why?  We debated this in a class setting a bit a few weeks ago...  My first thought was that it must be much much cheaper to produce than other opiates, but someone shot that down.

If it is not a higher financial gain for those dealing, then why the fuck is it even out there?




Smuggling/concealment is the obvious answer, you could transport it pure almost 100% worry free and set up a bottomless distribution network anywhere in the world without worry about reshipments, and easily hide the mother-load and with proper compartmentalization said network could operate without a hitch no matter who gets busted/killed/stolen from.

Besides that, maybe the chemists in a cartel run lab just got bored and wanted to try something more challenging?

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Re: Canadian police seize 42 kilograms of carfentanil in bust. [Re: O_Dweeds]
    #26484717 - 02/14/20 05:40 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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O_Dweeds said:
10,000 x strength of morphine if it's pure carfent. This is a fucking abomination; that's equivelent to 420,000 kilograms or 420,000,000 grams of pure morphine.






if that was pure CF then this was the biggest drug bust, in human doses, in history.


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M44 said:
How can this be a drug, it's a lethal poison




If you snort 1/1,000,000 gram you'll get pleasantly high.
If you snort 1/100,000 gram you may die.

So, its a proper drug, it just happens to be insanely potent, way more potent than LSD and its an opioid.


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Re: Canadian police seize 42 kilograms of carfentanil in bust. [Re: Asante]
    #26484727 - 02/14/20 05:48 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Think about trying to distribute that evenly in a bag of dope.  It would be cool if you could see a bag with fent mixed in it with a flir type of thing and see how uneven it actually is in there and see all the hot spots..


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Re: Canadian police seize 42 kilograms of carfentanil in bust. [Re: Amanita86]
    #26485618 - 02/14/20 03:05 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Well actually some Chinese entrepreneurs in Holland synthesized para-fluorofentanyl and made bogus XTC pills thereof.

The dose per pill varied 1000-fold.


You CAN work with Carfentanil but you'll have to work with liquids, like liquid acid. Dissolved in a buffered solution, CF can be easily and safely diluted. If you dissolve 0.1 gram of carfentanil in 1 liter vodka, 1 drop under your tongue will nod you the fuck out.

In powder form? Forget it, not possible to do it safely by any conventional measure.


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Re: Canadian police seize 42 kilograms of carfentanil in bust. [Re: Asante]
    #26492620 - 02/18/20 10:40 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

This shit sounds positively crazy.

Bad business to kill your customers too. 

Is it as safe as heroin (however safe that can be) if it's quality and dosage is properly controlled?

Is the high it produces the same quality as, heroin?

Im glad I never got into that kind of stuff.  I only ever smoked opium once, and it was incredible.  Just like heaven.

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Re: Canadian police seize 42 kilograms of carfentanil in bust. [Re: Asante]
    #26493714 - 02/19/20 04:50 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Asante said:
Well actually some Chinese entrepreneurs in Holland synthesized para-fluorofentanyl and made bogus XTC pills thereof.

The dose per pill varied 1000-fold.


You CAN work with Carfentanil but you'll have to work with liquids, like liquid acid. Dissolved in a buffered solution, CF can be easily and safely diluted. If you dissolve 0.1 gram of carfentanil in 1 liter vodka, 1 drop under your tongue will nod you the fuck out.

In powder form? Forget it, not possible to do it safely by any conventional measure.





So when someone takes a shot of the vodka you have in the fridge they die. There is nothing safe about this garbage.

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Re: Canadian police seize 42 kilograms of carfentanil in bust. [Re: my3rdeye]
    #26493872 - 02/19/20 06:22 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Exactly, fent is garbage. It is the coke of opiate analogues; the high is short, intense, requires frequent dosing to not go into withdrawal.WD is HELL for a few days.(the reason so many have opted out/suicide in the last decade; if they didn't plan a taper or have a drug to help with WD)
  Currently so much H and pills are cut with fent before they hit the street level, many do not even realize they are being put on it until it's too late and aren't in a financial position to quit so they ride it as long as they can.
  The same, if not more so, goes for all the benzodiazepine analogues. Talk with anyone who had a serious habit and kicked; it can be worse then a heavy opiate/opioid habit. And often kills, many deaths aren't reported due to detailed benzo testing.

  China just keeps dumping the garbage analogues; and with legitimate doctors prescribing the original form of these drugs (alprazolam,clonazepam/oxycodone, hydrocodone) for decades then cutting almost everyone off many are left scrambling to find something to stay on so they don't potentially die. Most of these users started on a legal form of these molecules and then tossed aside as if they were prescribed Tylenol. There's a major house cleaning taking place and there's no nationality/race left out.


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Re: Canadian police seize 42 kilograms of carfentanil in bust. [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #26611396 - 04/18/20 07:51 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Gd dammit man, this shit is way outta hand :frown:

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    #26612991 - 04/19/20 12:59 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Dude this happened 2 years ago... Don't revive dead threads

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