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Re: Trump is doing a good job on disaster relief [Re: chibiabos]
    #24705382 - 10/12/17 08:08 PM (9 days, 12 hours ago)

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Re: Trump is doing a good job on disaster relief [Re: Enlil]
    #24705393 - 10/12/17 08:13 PM (9 days, 12 hours ago)

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You mean like healthcare?


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Re: Trump is doing a good job on disaster relief [Re: chibiabos]
    #24705396 - 10/12/17 08:14 PM (9 days, 12 hours ago)

You think healthcare is a problem? I think healthcare is a good thing.


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Re: Trump is doing a good job on disaster relief [Re: Enlil]
    #24705404 - 10/12/17 08:18 PM (9 days, 12 hours ago)

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You think healthcare is a problem? I think healthcare is a good thing.



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Re: Trump is doing a good job on disaster relief [Re: chibiabos]
    #24705405 - 10/12/17 08:19 PM (9 days, 12 hours ago)

So you want healthcare banned?

If you can't even precisely identify the problem, maybe it's not a problem.


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Re: Trump is doing a good job on disaster relief [Re: Enlil]
    #24705438 - 10/12/17 08:33 PM (9 days, 12 hours ago)

The nordic states are a good example, here's Sweden for instance. Akuma is going to hate this:

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Income inequality in Sweden:

Sweden enjoys a relatively low income inequality and a high standard of living, unemployment as of 2011 is estimated to be 14% (2011 est.)[1] by the CIA World Fact Book,[2] which is relatively low compared to other EU countries, and the Nordic Model employed by Sweden has often been considered a success story in Europe in relation to other failing European economies. This model includes many unemployment benefits for the poor, and a generous welfare state,[3] while being a very transparent and corruption free country.[4] The Income inequality in Sweden ranks low in the Gini coefficient, being 25.2 as of 2015[5] which is one of the lowest in the world, and ranking similarly to the other Nordic Countries; although inequality has been recently on the rise and several central European countries now have a lower Gini coefficient than Sweden.[6] [7]




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The nordic welfare model:

The Nordic welfare model refers to the welfare policies of the Nordic countries, which also tie into their labor market policies. The Nordic model of welfare is distinguished from other types of welfare states by its emphasis on maximizing labor force participation, promoting gender equality, egalitarian and extensive benefit levels, the large magnitude of income redistribution, and liberal use of expansionary fiscal policy.[36]

While there are differences among different Nordic countries, they all share a broad commitment to social cohesion, a universal nature of welfare provision in order to safeguard individualism by providing protection for vulnerable individuals and groups in society, and maximizing public participation in social decision-making. It is characterized by flexibility and openness to innovation in the provision of welfare. The Nordic welfare systems are mainly funded through taxation.[37]

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The Nordic model has been successful at significantly reducing poverty.[38] In 2011, poverty rates, before taking into account the effects of taxes and transfers, stood at 24.7% in Denmark, 31.9% in Finland, 21.6% in Iceland, 25.6% in Norway, and 26.5% in Sweden. After accounting for taxes and transfers the poverty rates for the same year became 6%, 7.5%, 5.7%, 7.7%, and 9.7% respectively, for an average reduction of 18.7 p.p.[39] Compared to the US, which has a poverty level pre-tax of 28.3% and post-tax of 17.4% for a reduction of 10.9 p.p., the effects of tax and transfers on poverty in all the Nordic countries are substantially bigger.[39] In comparison to France (27 p.p. reduction) and Germany (24.2 p.p. reduction), however, the taxes and transfers in the Nordic countries are smaller on average.[39]




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Re: Trump is doing a good job on disaster relief [Re: krypto2000] * 2
    #24705446 - 10/12/17 08:36 PM (9 days, 12 hours ago)

Sweden has a homeless rate twice that of the U.S.


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Re: Trump is doing a good job on disaster relief [Re: Enlil]
    #24705456 - 10/12/17 08:41 PM (9 days, 12 hours ago)

Norway is Sweden.  Same with Denmark and Finland.  Iceland too.


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Re: Trump is doing a good job on disaster relief [Re: Enlil]
    #24705468 - 10/12/17 08:46 PM (9 days, 12 hours ago)

So? Their unemployment rate is higher too. You asked for an example of a nation that had better tackled poverty and social problems, I provided an example. You didn't say specifically homelessness and neither did I.


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Re: Trump is doing a good job on disaster relief [Re: chibiabos]
    #24705471 - 10/12/17 08:47 PM (9 days, 12 hours ago)

Lol, I know it's trendy to hate on America, but millions of kids growing up in abject poverty?

There are plenty of shitty things about this country to complain about without having to make shit up.


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Re: Trump is doing a good job on disaster relief [Re: krypto2000]
    #24705478 - 10/12/17 08:48 PM (9 days, 12 hours ago)

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So? Their unemployment rate is higher too. You asked for an example of a nation that had better tackled poverty and social problems, I provided an example. You didn't say specifically homelessness and neither did I.



No.  I asked for one where they solved it to the point it doesn't exist.  That's what he claimed.  He claimed a "hive" of such problems.  I'd like one example.


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Re: Trump is doing a good job on disaster relief [Re: Enlil]
    #24705491 - 10/12/17 08:50 PM (9 days, 12 hours ago)

No he didn't.  You just decided that he did, at some point.


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Re: Trump is doing a good job on disaster relief [Re: chibiabos]
    #24705494 - 10/12/17 08:51 PM (9 days, 12 hours ago)

I quoted where he did. Want me to do it again?


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Re: Trump is doing a good job on disaster relief [Re: Enlil]
    #24705498 - 10/12/17 08:54 PM (9 days, 11 hours ago)

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It's a hive of severe social problems.  Social problems that don't exist in many other nations out there. . .

You've got millions of kids growing up in abject poverty, going to substandard schools.








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Re: Trump is doing a good job on disaster relief [Re: chibiabos]
    #24705509 - 10/12/17 08:57 PM (9 days, 11 hours ago)

I'm honestly not sure if you're trolling or if you're just horribly, horribly dyslexic.  :shrug:


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Re: Trump is doing a good job on disaster relief [Re: Enlil] * 2
    #24705512 - 10/12/17 08:58 PM (9 days, 11 hours ago)

Everything is all Trump's fault.  I know a Norweigan girl, she is always complain about not having money.  I wish I had some money, so I could stick my little chubby into her.


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Re: Trump is doing a good job on disaster relief [Re: chibiabos]
    #24705516 - 10/12/17 08:59 PM (9 days, 11 hours ago)

Words mean what they mean.  I'm sorry if that's inconvenient for you.


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Re: Trump is doing a good job on disaster relief [Re: Enlil]
    #24705529 - 10/12/17 09:05 PM (9 days, 11 hours ago)

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So? Their unemployment rate is higher too. You asked for an example of a nation that had better tackled poverty and social problems, I provided an example. You didn't say specifically homelessness and neither did I.



No.  I asked for one where they solved it to the point it doesn't exist.  That's what he claimed.  He claimed a "hive" of such problems.  I'd like one example.





That's fair, taken literally he's wrong, it's an absurd claim to think anyone "solved" it or that it doesn't exist, but I never made that claim. You don't go from a problem to a solution without various steps of improvement. I'm showing that we can do better and provided an example of a nation/method that does so, you're dismissing it because it's only better and not a total solution which is an unrealistic expectation.


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Re: Trump is doing a good job on disaster relief [Re: krypto2000]
    #24705536 - 10/12/17 09:07 PM (9 days, 11 hours ago)

I agree.  My point is simply that his post was misinformed and woefully so.

Of course there are countries that do some things better than us . I never argued otherwise.


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Re: Trump is doing a good job on disaster relief [Re: Enlil]
    #24705539 - 10/12/17 09:09 PM (9 days, 11 hours ago)

That's fair, I agree. I did not take it that literally or even realize he spoke in such absolutes until you pointed it out, but I can see why you did and you're right to that point.


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