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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: musiclover420] * 1
    #24494357 - 07/19/17 03:05 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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I've bought kratom a couple times. I found myself choking it down. It's so hard to ingest the amount to give a semi decent high. Which is about 7 grams.

I dunno much about the drug you're talking about.




How many kinds have you tried?

A nice green/ white blend has me feeling great at 1-2g but I also have no prior opiate tolerance :shrug:




I dunno bali or something. I dunno anything about it :lol:

But 7 grams seemed to get me feeling alright. Heroin is better :lol:




Heroin may be more potent but that doesn't make it better...

I would rather enjoy kratom all my life then try heroin and have my natural opiate tolerance ruined and spend the rest of my life chasing the dragon...

In fact it seems common for people who abuse heroin to not even feel kratom, even after long periods of sobriety. So have fun scrambling your brain with hard drugs :cheers:




I'm 4 years clean from everything beside alcohol. Thanks for throwing a jab at me for whatever reason.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Enjoywho] * 1
    #24494379 - 07/19/17 03:19 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

The reason is pretty clear I think. You are entitled to your oppinion clearly but saying heroin is better then kratom is like saying meth is better then coffee...

It seems irresponsible to say that on a public forum, especially in a thread about kratom being made illegal.

That's like if coffee was being banned and I went into a "stop the coffee ban thread" to tell everyone how much better meth is...

Anyways congrats on being clean so long :thumbup:


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: musiclover420]
    #24494399 - 07/19/17 03:28 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

I'm not judging a lot of people use it for whatever reason.

It's just not for me. That's what I was talking about.

My experience with it and it should not be illegal for sure.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Enjoywho]
    #24494423 - 07/19/17 03:36 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

One of my points was heroin might have semi permanently effected your opiate tolerance.

So if you had never used H "better" or not, Kratom might give you much better effects.

It seems common for ex addicts to get little if any effects from Kratom so that's my take on it.

Kratom is definitely not for everyone so maybe it just doesn't mesh well with you :shrug:

But it seems pretty common with ex addicts. Which shows how drastically hard drugs can alter the brain even after years of sobriety. I think Kratom is better because it's less potent and much safer.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: musiclover420]
    #24494452 - 07/19/17 03:50 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

The first time I tried kratom i'd never done any heroin.

I didn't think it was all that. It did feel kind of good but it's so hard to ingest. More or less got to choke it down. With some apple sauce.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: geokills]
    #24494539 - 07/19/17 04:36 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

gotta grow some hair on yer sack. Im always washing down 15 grams with some cool water. It's very bitter but kratom and most Plant stuff is mellow compared to some chemicals that just wont wash off.

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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: musiclover420] * 1
    #24524064 - 08/02/17 02:44 AM (6 years, 6 months ago)

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In fact it seems common for people who abuse heroin to not even feel kratom, even after long periods of sobriety. So have fun scrambling your brain with hard drugs :cheers:




I was 15 or 16 the first time I ever shot heroin. I've used it many times over the years, but usually as an additive to meth or cocaine injections. Never had a problem with heroin tbh, though.

Anyway, I do less kratom than most of you guys, and it works fine for me. If it's good quality, half a gram should suffice. I don't like to take too much.

Never much liked heroin either, btw.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #24563345 - 08/18/17 04:36 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

PRESS RELEASE
AMERICAN KRATOM ASSOCIATION


"OPERATION CHOKE POINT" ENDED
Policy ended that targeted legitimate business within the kratom community

WASHINGTON, D.C.///August 18, 2017/// Yesterday, the DOJ announced the ending of the Obama-Era program called "Operation Choke Point."  This program had attempted to cut off sources of credit for businesses targeted by the department, including many working within the kratom industry. 

Dave Herman, the Chairman of the American Kratom Association (AKA) stated, "We have been working with lawmakers for months to discontinue this program due to its impact on those within the kratom community.  We felt that this was significantly hurting legitimate businesses across the country.  We are encouraged by the actions of the DOJ."

Over the last several months, experiences started to surface of many kratom businesses and consumers having their credit card transactions restricted.

"The AKA is hopeful this will be a major step in restoring the freedom of access to kratom for consumers from legitimate businesses," Herman continued. 

According to Assistant Attorney General Stephen Boyd, "All of the Department’s bank investigations conducted as part of Operation Choke Point are now over, the initiative is no longer in effect." 

The AKA would like to thank Senator Orrin Hatch (UT), who has been a champion for kratom and the rights for individuals to make their own decisions about their well-being, for his efforts in ending Operation Choke Point.

ABOUT AKA
The America Kratom Association, a consumer-based non-profit organization, is here to set the record straight, giving a voice to those suffering and protecting our rights to possess and consume kratom. AKA represents tens of thousands of Americans, each of whom has a unique story to tell about the virtues of kratom and its positive effects on their lives.

MEDIA CONTACTS:  Pete Candland, pete.candland@americankratom.org

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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: tdubz] * 1
    #24563351 - 08/18/17 04:37 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

AKA update:

FROM THE DESK OF
DAVID HERMAN,
CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD

Kratom Warriors:

In Washington DC, the Congress has left for their summer recess, but that does not mean that the attack on kratom by the DEA has stopped in any way.

Our lobbying team has been working feverishly to protect kratom from the latest threat in the form of the SITSA Act.

The broad expansion of the powers of the Attorney General and the DEA that will be given under SITSA to schedule substances they don’t like is clear and disturbing. The controversy among some is whether the SITSA Act would give the DEA the power to schedule kratom under the new "Schedule A."

Because the language is overly broad and vague, there are some who believe -- even in our own community -- that SITSA will only apply to "synthetic analogues” of already controlled substances.

The American Kratom Association (AKA) put that question to the test with one of the most respected law firms in Washington DC who helped us defeat the emergency scheduling order of the DEA last year.

Their conclusion: The SITSA language, as currently drafted, will allow the Attorney General and the DEA to schedule kratom, if they choose to do so, using the justification they provided in the emergency scheduling order they were forced to withdraw last year.

The AKA then asked Dr. Jack Henningfield, the author of the 8-Factor Analysis that stopped the DEA in its tracks when they tried to schedule kratom last year.  Dr. Henningfield agreed with the law firm analysis.

The truth is, the current language in SITSA would present a threat to kratom being scheduled by any overly aggressive Attorney General or DEA Administrator. 

This is not an exaggeration, hyperbole or scare tactics - this is the strong opinion from our team of experts.

Under the current Control Substances Act (CSA), the DEA has to conclusively demonstrate that a substance they seek to schedule has to pose an imminent safety threat to the public, and that the substance they seek to schedule is dangerously addictive.

The CSA requires the DEA to prove that threat and addiction level of any substance they propose to schedule with scientific studies that the Secretary of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) agrees, in consultation with the Assistant Secretary of Health and the National Institutes of Health (NIH) National Institutes on Drug Abuse (NIDA), justifies that scheduling.

If consumers disagree, there is a procedure of judicial review and Public Hearings to challenge the DEA scheduling action.  The current process provides some level of checks and balances to an overly aggressive government. 

Under the proposed language of SITSA, no scientific studies are required, no substantive review by HHS or NIDA, and there is no judicial review allowed to challenge any decision by the DEA to schedule a substance into Schedule A

I spent my professional career as an investment banker and every single decision I made was based upon a risk assessment to determine whether I could trust the people I was dealing with.

I will candidly admit that I do not trust the DEA to make the decision about whether to schedule kratom when there is no scientific review by HHS, NIDA, or the right of a citizen to challenge the scheduling action in court.

But I have also heard those who honestly believe that SITSA will not apply to kratom because it is not a “synthetic analogue.”

Even though “synthetic analogues” is the language that is contained in the title of this proposed legislation, that is not what the language of the proposed bill actually says.

So I decided to test my theory about whether SITSA would allow the DEA to schedule kratom, and therefore whether the DEA can be trusted or not on this issue.

With the approval of the AKA Board of Directors, we instructed our Washington lobbying team to ask for a simple amendment to SITSA. 

The amendment would basically provide as follows:

“Nothing in this Act shall be construed to permit the Attorney General to schedule a natural botanical substance, including any constituents, compounds or extracts of a natural botanical substance. Should the Attorney General determine that any natural botanical substance meets the criteria for scheduling under Title 21 U.S.C., the Controlled Substances Act, such scheduling shall be proposed under that authority.”

If the claims by the supporters of SITSA are true, there would be no objection to specifically exempting natural botanical substances from the provisions of the proposed SITSA bill.

But apparently the DEA does object.

I was informed that the DEA "does not want any restrictions placed on their ability to take dangerous drugs off the streets".

That is just classic Washington doublespeak.

If what the DEA wants is the authority to go after synthetic analogues of already controlled substances, they should have no problem with exempting natural botanical substances from SITSA.

But it appears the DEA desperately wants to call kratom a dangerous drug and have the authority to ban it when given through SITSA.

If the DEA wants to claim that any natural botanical substance poses a public health safety risk, or is dangerously addictive, they can still use the CSA to do just that.

That's why I do not trust the DEA when it comes to kratom.

And neither should you. 

That's why we are going to keep up our aggressive fight to protect kratom from being subject to scheduling in SITSA.

That's why we built a team of experts - including a top law firm, the preeminent scientist in the dietary supplement safety and addiction area, and a top lobbying group.

I say "we" because we truly have done this together.

And I have to ask you once again to help with a contribution so that we can keep this team working for us to stop this power-grab by the DEA in its tracks.

I can also tell you that the AKA has already begun face-to-face discussions with state legislators in Alabama, Vermont, Wisconsin, and Arkansas about repealing the existing bans on kratom in their states.

Not promises, empty rhetoric, or just sending general letters to state legislators.

The AKA has conducted face-to-face meetings where we are getting commitments to repeal the bans on kratom.  We are excited about the progress our team is making on these state bans. 

We will not stop until we have completed those discussions and secured commitments from legislators in all of the states that currently ban kratom to sponsor repeal legislation or assist with medical and pharmacy boards to remove kratom from their controlled substances lists.

When we have had the opportunity to explain in depth the 8-Factor Analysis by Dr. Henningfield, these state legislators are listening. The science is on our side.

At the AKA, we will continue backing up requests for donations with real, concrete results.

We desperately need your help to keep the pressure on and protect our freedom to make our own decisions about how we manage our health and well-being.

Please send your contribution today at www.americankratom.org/dontate.

In addition, I want to let you know that I will be sending another Alert to you early next week on an exciting and important initiative to address the role that kratom can play providing real help in addressing the opioid epidemic in America.

Watch for my email on this new initiative to arrive Monday or Tuesday.

Also, if you have not yet done so, please sign the petition to the US Senate and House opposing SITSA.  If you have signed it, get every friend and family member to sign it too.

Here is the link:

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/AKASITSA

The great news is that we currently have 23,155 signatures on that petition.

Every kratom supporter needs to sign this petition so that when Congress reconvenes in September, we will deliver a powerful, united message from the kratom community.

It is about our freedoms, and our right to make our own decisions on using kratom without unfair interference from the DEA or the FDA.

So please, click the following link and make as generous a donation as you can to this effort.  We need your support now more than ever.

www.americankratom.org/donate

Working together, we will win - #IAMKRATOM, #WeAreKratom.

With gratitude for all you do for keeping kratom legal,
Dave

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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: tdubz] * 1
    #24572551 - 08/22/17 06:39 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

Another AKA update:

Kratom Warrior:

On August 31, 2016, the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) rocked the kratom world with their now infamous Notice of Intent for Emergency Scheduling of kratom as a Schedule I controlled substance.

That was truly the day that the federal government declared war on kratom -- and war on every one of us who believe that consumers should have the freedom to make their own decisions about how to manage their health and well-being.

But the truth is, the DEA and the FDA picked a fight with people who were unwilling to be trampled upon by the unfair and arbitrary criminalization of kratom and of the basic freedoms we have every right to enjoy.

The attempt to schedule kratom ignited a grassroots movement that continues to this very day, and I am pleased to report that we are growing stronger and stronger in our continued fight against the demonization of kratom by these federal bureaucrats.

On August 31, 2017, I intend to deliver a statement to the Presidential Commission on Combating Drug Addiction and the Opioid Crisis asking the government to recognize the numerous studies that show kratom can be used as an alternative pain management option, but kratom can also be a potentially effective "Reverse-Gateway" out of opioid addiction.

I am hoping that you will sign up to be an official co-signer on the American Kratom Association Statement to the Opioid Commission.

Please click on the link below and review the Statement to the Commission.  If you agree with the Statement, and I hope you will, then I need you to add your name as an official co-signer of the statement.

PLEASE CLICK HERE TO SIGN THE STATEMENT TO THE OPIOID COMMISSION

I am hopeful that thousands of Kratom Warriors will join me in this bold statement by the kratom community - that we endorse research into the positive effects that kratom can have in the lives of people who might currently be trapped in a cycle of opioid addiction.

And we need to boldly state that we continue to support the right of every consumer to have the freedom to use kratom as part of the management of their personal health and well-being.

When I asked for your support to oppose the dangerous overreach by the Attorney General in the proposed SITSA Act that poses a real threat to consumer access to kratom, the kratom community responded.

We currently have more than 24,000 signatures on that petition, with more adding their names every day.

Thank you to each of you who have added your name on that petition.

While we have only about one week to gather signatures for this AKA Statement to the Opioid Commission, I hope we can collect a significant number of co-signers.

And I would ask you to invite as many of your friends and family members who agree with our position to also co-sign the Statement.

We can celebrate August 31, 2017 as the anniversary of when the kratom community took a stand for freedom.

We have been unyielding in our defense of our freedoms, and we have been joined by Members of Congress; leading researchers and experts in product safety and addiction; lawyers; law enforcement officers; and veterans of our Armed Forces; all who have stood firm and defended our freedom to have access to kratom.

We forced the DEA to rescind its Notice of Intent to schedule kratom.

We made our defense with good science and the personal testimonials from tens of thousands of kratom users who reported positive results from using kratom.

And today we have an arsenal of personal testimonials and research that support the premise that kratom can be an effective alternative pain management option for people who otherwise have to rely upon opioid medications.

We repudiated all the lies that the FDA told about people dying from consuming kratom; the "flooding" of calls to Poison Control Centers; and the significant number of adverse health effects of kratom consumption.

The AKA, with your help, commissioned the 8-Factor Analysis by the leading expert in safety and addiction issues on drug products, Dr. Jack Henningfield, that uses the very same literature and data that the FDA would be required to use in producing their own statutorily required analysis before anyone in the federal government could propose to schedule kratom again.

I would be honored if you would join me as a co-signer of the AKA Statement to the Presidential Commission on combating Drug Addiction and the Opioid Crisis.

Our collective voices will make a difference in Washington DC and across the states in the country who currently have bans on kratom.

I am proud to be a part of this kratom community, and I am honored to count you as a friend in this fight to protect and preserve our freedoms to use kratom as we see fit.

Sincerely,
Dave Herman
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: tdubz] * 1
    #24682111 - 10/03/17 09:02 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

AKA Update:

Kratom Warriors
 
When the DEA announced their withdrawal of their Notice to schedule kratom on October 13, 2016, they invited public comment on whether kratom should be scheduled or not, with a deadline for submission of comments by December 1, 2016.
 
Among the 23,000+ comments that were submitted to the DEA, there were approximately 1,175 commenters who self-identified themselves as doctors, scientists, veterans, lawyers, or law enforcement officers.
 
If you are one of those doctors or scientists or lawyers willing to help pro-bono, I hope you will take the time to read this email.
 
The FDA and the DEA have not stopped their war on kratom, they have just shifted the battlefield.  As of today, we have seen two suspiciously similar reports on deaths that a Coroner in New York and a Medical Examiner in Florida claimed to be the result of kratom overdose.
 
A news reporter disclosed to the AKA that the Florida Medical Examiner admitted that he had talked with the Coroner in New York to discuss the use of kratom by the police officer who died in that town.
 
There was no discussion about the use of injectable anabolic steroids by the decedent in New York, and the possible association with hemorrhagic pulmonary edema from the use of such steroids.
 
Neither did the Florida Medical Examiner discuss the two prescription drugs that were found in the blood toxicology report of the decedent in Florida, one an antidepressant, in the other a muscle relaxer, both of which have warnings on their FDA required labels that they should not be used in combination because to do so could cause death.
 
No, it appears that these two so-called medical professionals jointly concluded that the blame lies with the consumption of kratom by these two individuals who died, despite the fact that there is no scientific evidence that corroborates any kind of causality as they are now claiming.
 
The American Kratom Association has always believed in the importance of science within the fight to protect kratom.  During this fight, science has been on our side.  
 
Science has proven that kratom is not dangerously addictive and, unless mixed with a toxic doses of some other foreign substance, is not a threat to someone's health.  
  
Your support of kratom is why I am writing today to ask for the help of every doctor and scientist – and any former medical examiners -- who could help us evaluate the contradictory and seemingly unsupported conclusions of these two public officials who want to blame kratom.
 
At the AKA, we are organizing a committee of scientists, doctors, and former medical examiners who can help assess each one of these cases as they emerge.  
 
And we need some attorneys who can advise us on how to demand and get needed documents from these pubic officials who refuse to produce documents.
 
We would like experts who can volunteer to help us evaluate these reports and collaborate with other professionals.  It is critical that we all work together.  
 
Frankly, I need your expertise to help set the record straight. I do not anticipate it will be a heavy lift, but your advice and counsel in a conference call with other professionals would be invaluable to us.
 
If you can volunteer, please send me a note at dave.herman@americankratom.org.  
 
The opponents of kratom are marching forward with a clear message, and it's vital we push back.

#iamkratom, #WeAreKratom, #teamAKA
 
Sincerely,
 
Dave Herman
Chairman
American Kratom Association
 
 

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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: tdubz]
    #24705327 - 10/12/17 05:50 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

***LAST CALL FOR KRATOM***

Since the media has been spotlighting two supposed deaths caused by kratom ODs I can assure all of you 2017 is going to be the last year for kratom.

Get it while you can folks! It wont be around much longer sadly!

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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Connoisseur]
    #24705428 - 10/12/17 06:29 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Kratom overdoses?

How did they come to that conclusion? Does kratom even suppress the cardiovascular system?


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #24705435 - 10/12/17 06:33 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Its a total scam but look up kratom overdoses and you will see the news reports im mentioning

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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Connoisseur]
    #24705441 - 10/12/17 06:34 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Its a total scam but look up kratom overdoses and you will see the news reports im mentioning




I just need to get some money together and buy a few kilos and vaccuum seal them.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Connoisseur]
    #24722084 - 10/19/17 01:49 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Actually kratom wont be made illegal thankfully. I Checked with my source "up top". Word is the evil empire is being unmade and prohibition will naturally vanish forever along with all evil and unrighteousness.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Moonshoe]
    #24722884 - 10/19/17 06:35 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Woot!


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Moonshoe]
    #24723392 - 10/19/17 10:11 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Moonshoe said:
Actually kratom wont be made illegal thankfully. I Checked with my source "up top". Word is the evil empire is being unmade and prohibition will naturally vanish forever along with all evil and unrighteousness.




Are you saying prohibition is almost over?




Wait... is jesus your source?

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Fuck.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Enjoywho]
    #24723606 - 10/20/17 01:48 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm 4 years clean from everything beside alcohol. Thanks for throwing a jab at me for whatever reason.




Fuck that guy.

Anyways, you need to get rid of the 'drugs I've tried list', because it's lame, but before you do, you need to add a-PVP and a-PHP to that list, and you need to shoot them.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #24730721 - 10/23/17 02:24 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

AKA Update:

STATEMENT ON STATUS OF SUSAN ASH
WITH THE AMERICAN KRATOM ASSOCIATION

Susan Ash, founder of the American Kratom Association (AKA), has recently made public statements that have created confusion among AKA supporters regarding her current status with the organization.

Ms. Ash served as a member of the Board of Directors and Chairman of the AKA from its founding in 2014, and continued until she submitted her resignation both as Chairman and as a member of the Board of Directors on May 25, 2017. Ms. Ash communicated this resignation in writing, and attributed her resignation to negative comments and accusations of financial mismanagement by several critics that appeared on various social media platforms.

In a public announcement of her resignation made on May 26, 2017, Ms. Ash stated that:
"AKA has been focused on a transition to a management team and board with the skill set needed to manage a growing nonprofit engaged in a major issue area. We will be announcing those changes in the coming weeks. I am convinced that this is the right move to make for AKA and kratom. I am going to continue to provide my advice and counsel, even as others take over the reins of running the organization.

I can be more effective as an advisor and board chair emeritus of the American Kratom Association than I can as the board chair and as a board member who is responsible for the day‐to‐day running of the Association."
Upon her resignation and these public statements, it was incumbent upon Ms. Ash to relinquish control over AKA resources, follow Board directives and seek Board approval prior to taking actions or making commitments on behalf of the AKA.

Ms. Ash was then offered a paid position to serve as the National Spokesperson for the AKA on the premise that the allegations about financial mismanagement with AKA funds were untrue, a position that Ms. Ash staunchly asserted.

Immediately following Ms. Ash’s resignation, the AKA Board of Directors conducted an internal review of the financial records of the AKA. The purpose of this financial review was to (1) validate Ms. Ash’s claims that there were no financial improprieties during her tenure as the Chairman and Board Member of AKA; and (2) to fulfill the AKA’s fiduciary duty to donors to maintain the financial integrity of its expenditures.

The AKA is a 501(c)(4) tax‐exempt entity and is subject to strict financial control regulations issued by the IRS. As the original founder of the AKA, Ms. Ash is considered by the IRS to be a “disqualified person” – a status that triggers additional restrictions on the financial transactions with that individual and the AKA.

The preliminary financial review identified significant discrepancies and missing records in financial documentation for compensation and expense reimbursements paid to Ms. Ash over a
significant time period. Several of the expenditures are substantial, and have raised significant questions as to whether they were appropriate for reimbursement from donor funds. A formal request was made to Ms. Ash to provide receipts and justifications for expenses to allow for the financial review to be completed, but Ms. Ash has been unwilling and/or unable to provide the necessary receipts and records to justify these expenditures.

As a result, the AKA Board was forced to suspend Ms. Ash from any role with the AKA given her unwillingness to provide the requested documents and records. As an alternative to formally producing the requested documents, and in compliance with IRS regulations, the AKA requested Ms. Ash provide a “Professional Opinion Letter” from a qualified attorney or Certified Public Accountant with expertise in relevant tax law to certify that if the compensation amounts to Ms. Ash were challenged by the IRS, it would “more likely than not” be upheld in court.

Ms. Ash has declined to provide the requested documents and/or to provide a “Professional Opinion Letter.” Given these actions by Ms. Ash, the AKA is unable to complete its financial review of AKA expenditures during the period that Ms. Ash served as Chairman and as a member of the Board of Directors, or to validate the appropriateness of some of the expenses reimbursed to Ms. Ash. Instead, Ms. Ash retained an attorney and threatened litigation against the AKA.

In response, the AKA has retained legal counsel, provided on a pro bono basis, to work with Ms. Ash's attorney in a good‐faith effort to negotiate an amicable separation and secure the necessary financial records to document compensation and expense reimbursements made to Ms. Ash. The AKA has respected these negotiations without public comment, but Ms. Ash has persisted in public statements, including statements made on various social media platforms, contesting the facts and circumstances surrounding her formal resignation from the AKA Board of Directors and her service as Chairman.

For context, Ms. Ash has made various claims, both in private and public, that AKA is “her organization”; that she resented not being included in Board meetings after her resignation; and has challenged decisions made by the AKA Board of Directors without her participation or approval. All such statements are in direct conflict with IRS regulations regarding governance decisions by a qualified non‐profit entity and appear to be attempts by Ms. Ash to circumvent her resignation. Moreover, after her independent, publicly announced decision to step down from a leadership role in AKA, Ms. Ash now claims that she was forced out.

As a part of the separation discussions, the AKA requested that Ms. Ash relinquish the control over the AKA bank accounts and its PayPal account. These accounts were initially established by Ms. Ash on behalf of the AKA in her role as Chairman, and each was opened using the federally‐ issued AKA Employer Identification Number. Ms. Ash was the sole signatory on these accounts, but she has refused to comply with the request to transfer control of these accounts to the Executive Director of the AKA. In addition, the AKA learned in the past few weeks that the AKA
PayPal account password has been changed, and AKA no longer has access to funds in that account.

The AKA Board of Directors has established new accounts to ensure all new donations to the AKA are properly received and recorded, and expenditures are made in full compliance with IRS regulations governing the conduct of a non‐profit entity. Donors are advised to use the current accounts for all donations, and are asked not to submit donations using links to previous accounts over which Ms. Ash maintains sole control.

This statement is being provided to allow concerned supporters of the AKA to understand why actions that have been taken were necessary. It is our hope that Ms. Ash will refrain from any future public comments, and allow a final conclusion to be reached on the outstanding issues and controversies surrounding her association with the AKA.

The AKA Board of Directors will continue to diligently fulfill its fiduciary duties to the AKA and its supporters, and will strictly adhere to all regulations in the governance of the AKA, while vigorously supporting the right of Americans to choose Kratom.

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