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    #2467851 - 03/24/04 04:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I have a thought study in my PHI class, and I was wondering what you guys thought about it. I already have my stand on it, but I wanted to know ways to improve on it.

Basically, the situation is: Given that brain transplants were possible, your brain was switched to that of another body. The only hitch is, the new body is the opposite gender of your old body. Would you be a different person, or would you be the same person, since you kept your brain, hence your identity.

I believe you would remain the same person, though you would bend slightly to societal norms, such as using the gender-specific bathrooms, wearing gender-spcific clothing, etc. At first, you would maintain your original identity, but through adaptation, you would begin to behave more like the gender of the new body you are in.

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What do you guys (and gals) think?


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Re: Need your advice... [Re: Redstorm]
    #2467866 - 03/24/04 04:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Something my psych teacher addressed was that gender is the Perception of being male or female. I think that your mind would bend to fit your body if you recieved such a transplant.

Another consideration is the physical differences between male and female brains with regards to size, structure, and contents, namely the glands that control hormones.


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Re: Need your advice... [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2467886 - 03/24/04 04:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, thats what I was thinking. Even if it wasn't as simple as adapting to your body, you still have to take into affect things you have control over, i.e. the affect of testoterone or estrogen on your everyday functions.

Then another question, just as important, is raised by answering the first question. How would your sexual orientation set itself. Does hormones have affect on your sexual preference? If so, it could actually be possible that you could enter the opposite gender's body w/ one preference, then have it shift slowly over years.


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Re: Need your advice... [Re: Redstorm]
    #2467889 - 03/24/04 04:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'd think that your behavior would change to a certain degree but any changes that went on would be those you made on a concious level, and maybe some stuff might be caused by hormonal or gender-specific situational circumstances. If I knew that carrying a whistle around with me lest I get raped was a good idea then I doubt I'd be as trusting an individual.


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Re: Need your advice... [Re: Panoramix]
    #2467893 - 03/24/04 04:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I don't believe all behavioral changes would be conscious. I'm very convinced that the affect of new hormones on your brain would definitelt affect your behavior, without you controlling it.


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Re: Need your advice... [Re: Redstorm]
    #2467899 - 03/24/04 04:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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How would your sexual orientation set itself. Does hormones have affect on your sexual preference?




I think hormones have little to do with sexual orientation. I also don't think that sexual orientation is a choice.


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Re: Need your advice... [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2467905 - 03/24/04 04:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I wasn't sure about that. So really, the only way you would change your preferences, in this case, would be to bend to societal norms?


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    #2467914 - 03/24/04 04:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, but you would being going against the grain.

A philosophical arguement that demonstrates homosexuality is not a choice points out that nobody would choose to homosexual and face the consequences of the lifestyle. There is prejudice and violence against homosexuals, and the lifestyle leaves you more prone to addiction, depression, and disease.


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Re: Need your advice... [Re: Redstorm]
    #2467919 - 03/24/04 04:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

But you could realize it and come to terms with it as best you can.  If I were menstruating I'd be grumpy  :mad2: :razz: <- like that.  The differences in experiences between the two genders might make it so that you wouldn't be able to prevent developping into a different person, but I don't think the changes would be instanteous, even if the hormonal changes triggering the personality shift were.


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Re: Need your advice... [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2467920 - 03/24/04 04:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

So, taking the prior events into account, most rational people would choose to be homosexual only known to themselves, rather than face the wraith of society. I couldn't possibly see myself doing that, but maybe if I was faced with pressure or violence, who knows?


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Re: Need your advice... [Re: Panoramix]
    #2467926 - 03/24/04 04:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Oh no, I definitely agree with you on the part where affects would not begin immdeiately. I just believe that over time, you would begin to act differently. Maybe not as different as someone who, say, was never a male. We'll take that our subject was male, then was switched into a female's body. He would still have the male influences on his brain, so he would never be quite as "girly" as one who was a female her entire life.


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Re: Need your advice... [Re: Redstorm]
    #2467932 - 03/24/04 04:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I think who you find attractive has little to do with hormones. But that's really just me. If you wanted to change gender preferences that'd be up to you. I like to think that society couldn't coerce me into changing my opinions like that.


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Re: Need your advice... [Re: Redstorm]
    #2467933 - 03/24/04 04:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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So, taking the prior events into account, most rational people would choose to be homosexual only known to themselves, rather than face the wraith of society. I couldn't possibly see myself doing that, but maybe if I was faced with pressure or violence, who knows?




I'm not sure there. Homosexuality is not a "disorder", but it usually has some basis. So if I were hetero, and I changed genders, I would probably be a homo known only to myself. That's what I think the norm would be. But man, that's a noggin scratcher right there!


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Re: Need your advice... [Re: Redstorm]
    #2467943 - 03/24/04 04:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Depends how girly he was beforehand. He might decide he really likes being a girl and start wearing sundresses and makeup and such. It is more dependent on the individual and their experiences as a male than on estrogen.


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Re: Need your advice... [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2467944 - 03/24/04 04:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, the the sexual part of it gets a little tricky. I just don't know whether it would even be possible for me to become sexually excited, to make it possible to have gender of someone of my same sex.

Panoramix: Agree with you totally  :thumbup:


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Re: Need your advice... [Re: Redstorm]
    #2467951 - 03/24/04 04:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I agree that the person's experiences and feelings before the switch would be heavily to their personal identity afterwards. It would be easier for some people to except that they are now of the opposite gender.


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Re: Need your advice... [Re: Redstorm]
    #2467953 - 03/24/04 04:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Initially it'd just be mostly adjusting to the societal paradigms and norms belonging to that of the opposite sex, and so on..

But, I think that given a long enough period of time...say, 10-30 years..the body chemistry and physiology that combines to create what is called a "female" would overwhelm the mental conditioning of being a male--but that would also depend on how long you've been living as a male, and how masculine you were to begin with. So in other words, the 'already effeminate' guys would be more quickly assimilated into the femininity, so to speak.
This is just my personal guess.

Edit: Also, I just realized--most of the guys would then just become lesbians. :lol:



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Re: Need your advice... [Re: Redstorm]
    #2467954 - 03/24/04 04:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

All I know is that were that to happen to me I would lock myself in my room for a month (provided I was attractive). That'd be ridiculous, being attracted to yourself.


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Re: Need your advice... [Re: Panoramix]
    #2467957 - 03/24/04 04:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, that would be quite odd, being attracted to yourself. This rabbit hole just keeps going deeper and deeper....


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Re: Need your advice... [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #2467959 - 03/24/04 04:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, the biology of your body would ultimately overrule your learned norms.


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