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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#26007522 - 05/22/19 02:23 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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What is MHRB?
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Doc9151]
#26007534 - 05/22/19 02:32 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mimosa hostilis root bark, I would think
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Tweeq]
#26007555 - 05/22/19 02:53 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yup I got some and I don’t feel like grinding it up just wanna see how well it is colonized
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#26007785 - 05/22/19 05:00 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Probably a noob question, but I've been searching around and seeing mentions of gypsum everywhere when soaking woodchips. Is this just to help get them breaking down faster or something?
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Dunedinite] 1
#26008717 - 05/23/19 06:00 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Lime, calcium carbonate, not gypsum, for soaking chips. Gypsum does nothing for pH, and it does 'not' neutralize acids. Use lime on wood, it will neutralize acids and kill various organisms as a bonus, no need for gypsum.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Ferather]
#26008750 - 05/23/19 06:29 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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After doing some more research earlier it turns out people add the gypsum as a calcium and sulphur source!
I didn't even consider pH when thinking about my pinecones. I guess I could always dump some fresh woodash in tho and that'll bump the pH up if mushrooms prefer a more alkaline medium?
This is for several big buckets of pinecones which are then going to be put outside for inoculation with P. subaeruginosa mycellium/spore slurry.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Dunedinite]
#26008871 - 05/23/19 07:52 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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I am not sure, sorry, "Pine cones, due to their pine resin content, are highly flammable" -- Source
The best thing to do, is try small samples with different amounts of wood ash. Test how well the mycelium does, take notes before going bulk.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Ferather]
#26008972 - 05/23/19 08:53 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Pine cones need to be heavily aged before they will work. As said, they contain insane amounts of resin.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Adas] 2
#26009008 - 05/23/19 09:20 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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You should be able to work with lime, if you use hydrated lime on the pine, and say a rhyme, it should neutralize the acids almost immediately. The same goes for pine wood, as you mentioned it should be aged (phenols decay to time, other), the lime speeds up decay.
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Here is my myco bin, I throw waste or dirty spawn into it. After some time I end up with compost to use. I usually just throw in random bits from my garden, can be used for a proper outdoor grow.
Example garden waste bag, you can add holes I guess for other fungi.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Ferather] 1
#26009009 - 05/23/19 09:21 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Azzys def don’t mind a pine needle case layer ime. I’ve never used it as a sub tho
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419] 1
#26009081 - 05/23/19 10:13 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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I found a few cyans growing right out of spruce and Doug fir cones, but they are much less dense and less resinous than most pine cones.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Land Trout]
#26009153 - 05/23/19 11:08 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ah ok. I thought it had something to do with mimosa hostiles, I have tons of it growing around me.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Doc9151]
#26009193 - 05/23/19 11:29 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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@ Land Trout
Interesting, and also informative.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Ferather]
#26009222 - 05/23/19 11:50 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks all very much!
I've found subs growing straight out of pine cones here myself and from work people have done in the past it seems that they love pine chips and especially love pinecones. Perhaps they eat the resin? That's why I've gone with pinecones, in addition to them being really easy to get (quick walk down the road and back with bags full for free). I've mostly grabbed old and somewhat already decaying pinecones, so I guess using lime/ash to pasteurise and making sure they're well soaked should ensure they're at least somewhat okay. I can always only soak some in lime and not the others, or something, and see what lot does best.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Dunedinite]
#26009403 - 05/23/19 01:34 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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They certainly do decay phenolic compounds, you're likely correct, they probably do tolerate and utilize the resins in pine. Indeed try small samples with, without, and different amounts. Weigh the cones for future reference.
For example: 10g of lime-ash per 100g of cones, so you can replicate or upscale.
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#26009652 - 05/23/19 03:33 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Dunedinite]
#26009659 - 05/23/19 03:40 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
Dunedinite said: After doing some more research earlier it turns out people add the gypsum as a calcium and sulphur source!
I didn't even consider pH when thinking about my pinecones. I guess I could always dump some fresh woodash in tho and that'll bump the pH up if mushrooms prefer a more alkaline medium?
This is for several big buckets of pinecones which are then going to be put outside for inoculation with P. Subaeruginosa mycelium/spore slurry.
When i told my Square dad about how P. subs grow near pine trees, He immediately said "oh cool, they must prefer a more alkaline medium"
which was spot on, AS most/ all natural psychedelics are alkaloid based*
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: stevo]
#26009706 - 05/23/19 04:00 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
AzzA said:
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stevo said: Nice. These are from the southern hemisphere correct?
Yeah Mate, NSW Australia. (P.Subz)
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: AzzA]
#26009801 - 05/23/19 04:51 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
AzzA said: When i told my Square dad about how P. subs grow near pine trees, He immediately said "oh cool, they must prefer a more alkaline medium"
which was spot on, AS most/ all natural psychedelics are alkaloid based*
This just makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Alkaloids have NOTHING to do with alkaline substrates.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Adas]
#26009875 - 05/23/19 05:25 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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On the PH(power of hydrogen) scale.
I dare to ask... How you make sense of your own statement? "Alkaloids have NOTHING to do with alkaline substrates. "
Umm no....? Just everything. Alkaline in various PH lvls or you think acid based nutrients help substrates....?
I dont understand that make it moot or is a double negitive sentence
Can u elaborate please.
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