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The Official Woodlovers Thread 39
#24673753 - 09/30/17 09:11 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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The Official Woodlovers Thread
 (Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata)
Hey everyone
Its about that time of year when the woodlovers start to fruit and everyone wants to make a patch of their own. Though Ive noticed woodlovers don't get very much attention around here, due to how long it takes for them to fruit.
Theres never a very good place to post woodlover grows/ growing questions so I've decided to make a thread dedicated to just that.
I encourage anyone and everyone to share your woodlover grows, anything from a brick of mycelium to a fully fruiting patch. I will be posting all my woodlover grows here as well as any info I pick up along the way regarding specific species.
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Psilocybe Cyanescens Spawned in May
Checked on this spot yesterday and it appears to have some really healthy growth. I will be laying down a top layer of mulch if this patch decides not to fruit this season.
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Psilocybe Azurescens Spot 1 Spawned 12/21/16
I used a mix of soil and alder wood chips as well as ground cover strawberry. I will get some more updated pictures up soon.
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Psilocybe Azurescens Spot 2 Spawned 9/29/17
I used a mix of soil, alder, apple, and cherry wood chips. I then planted ground cover strawberry and grass seed to make a microclimate for the fruits. And now we play the waiting game.
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Psilocybe Ovoideocystidiata Spot 1 Spawned in November 2016
I will get some pictures up soon. We should be seeing fruit at this patch by spring. This patch was spawned with a mix of soil and alder wood chips. _________________________________________________________
Psilocybe Ovoideocystidiata Spot 2 Spawned in May 2017
This patch was spread by stem butts and colonized chips from another ovoid location. I checked on it recently and the myc seems to have taken to the wood chips. Its possible we see fruit by next spring.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: TheDuder] 7
#24673781 - 09/30/17 09:28 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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1st pic is cyan myc. I propagated the patch from stem butts that I foraged.
2nd pic is a spot that is truly special to me. And yeah I spread myc all over
I only started to grow mushies since last season so this will be my first year checking on outdoor projects. Super excited
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Subbed, thanks for getting this going!
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Adden] 6
#24673920 - 09/30/17 10:37 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Psilocybe Azurescens in an 104 quart, unmodified tub on Scott's soft wood mulch.

Substrate depth 7 inches. There are two of these kicking. Great thread, Duder!
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: TheDuder] 1
#24673941 - 09/30/17 10:47 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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I modded you and Just_A_Noob in Outdoor Mushroom Cultivation, if you ever need. Thanks again for this thread guys.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: LemurLemur] 2
#24674518 - 10/01/17 07:47 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Awesome contributions guys, I'm excited to see the outcome of your projects.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: TheDuder] 2
#24674547 - 10/01/17 08:05 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Got some ovoid and ps cyan prints to get me started, great thread topic Duder
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: TheDuder]
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Good thinking, Duder!
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mycolorado] 1
#24674776 - 10/01/17 09:40 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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I like this thread. Good luck everyone, here is my offering lol.

Ovoid on beech chips. Got some cyans going too, I don't think they have been established long enough for fruits this year but we can hope right?
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Lovely, I'm in.
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Thanks for starting this up brother! I didn't have anything to start it with. I am waiting on a few prints yet, but soon I will be starting cyan, serbica, ovoid, stuntzii, quebecensis, and subaeruginosa on agar. I will also have semilanceata but that isn't a wood lover, well as far as I know. I have only heard of it in grass.
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frankie-smiles said: I like this thread. Good luck everyone, here is my offering lol.

Ovoid on beech chips. Got some cyans going too, I don't think they have been established long enough for fruits this year but we can hope right?
Still super early to hope for fruits. Can plant a few more flowers or something this spring and case with coir and soil. You can run peat too but it seems it likes carrying seeds of other stuff with it. I'm still pulling up weeds and it's October.
Good work btw. It's certainly looking good!!!
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Here is a cyan sample on a tea bag, they like leaves. It grew very well, medium in speed.

Composition of tea leaves, for nutritional analysis.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Adden]
#24674815 - 10/01/17 09:54 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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So when growing wood lovers in say flower pots, is it better to grow vegetation on top of mushroom bed? Something like grass, or is it species dependent?
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Psilocybe semilanceata would need grass, other species might not need anything, so species dependent.
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TheMadHatter420 said: So when growing wood lovers in say flower pots, is it better to grow vegetation on top of mushroom bed? Something like grass, or is it species dependent?
I accidentally started my planter from the bottom up. It's meant to be a planter after all but mushrooms are bonus. I have some ivy and cover and next year it'll be full of low grass, ivy, spring flowers and what appears to be a small sapling lol.
Really you wanna hit just the top layers. I keep feeding mine, which is probably why it hasn't been fruiting, and although it's probably colonized the entire center (core samples but you can just observe mycelium tightening the top layer), I might not see fruits until next spring or fall despite throwing tons of mushroom tissue and matures and spawn and colonized chips. Honestly I'm thinking about getting a real long trough type planter to hang on my porch just for more surface area and do all this totally different.
Here's a link to my big one. I have to update this past year on the thread, as I've been posting work somewhere else.
Adden's Planters: Six Psilocybes & Two psilocybes
The big one with six only has 5 woodlovers. I had some old grain with an isolate of cubes from a friend so I added it this summer with verm/peat on top of castings/soil for my flowers. It'd be boss to have woodlovers in Fall and cubes in summer, but the wood eating psilocybes I'm sure will be the winners.
Btw, for those of you growing who don't pick. Go out on a hike or cycling or short walk to the woods and find nice soil. I just came across some black slightly sandy loam while picking and it's gonna be the only soil I use for my projects now on.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Adden]
#24674899 - 10/01/17 10:14 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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I keep getting the itch to whip up some agar and start the 4 I have now. BUT I have enough going on agar right now. Got to finish dealing with clones and clean ups first.
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Oh, and I heavily updated my post above.
Warning: Below is a real long post and very image heavy. If you're not gonna wanna see it, you can click the hide post icon at the bottom of the thread and you won't see it anymore, but you'll still see the thread.
I have two planters going. One with six psilocybes one with two. Been using them as my dumping grounds for LC, mushrooms that don't survive the ride home after being picked a few hundred miles away, spore slurry, colonized forgotten-about agar plates and LC. Used a lot of colonized chips and fresh chips.
It's easy to start a chip bucket. Do grains and do grains with wood chips. Load soaked and boiled chips to your grain after sitting overnight. The jump to eating lignin is always a crucial point with these (from the failed and successful projects I've seen). If you can get them eating chips faster the better. Those colonized chips will be what's getting the others and your grain will serve as more wood noc points.
Some flower porn and a little bit of what I've got going on.
This started as one planter. The ivy and firewitch grew too fast so I made another small one with ovoids and azures.

This is a Tupperware I used and filled with old pickings. Like the crap that sticks to ovoids no matter what you do. Caps fallen apart etc. I forgot about it from March to mid May, tucked in an old cooler with gardening supplies. I added water and it came back alive and with a vengeance. Spawned it to my big planter.

Mycelium porn big planter.

Old agar to chips in early February lol. Ps azurescens.

This is what it originally looked like after I did all the stuff mentioned in the linked thread above. May 2016.

Some ovoid leaves first week of June 2016.

Some wood chip spawn from a patch in May 2016 that was about to be destroyed by grounds maintenance. It served as a base for my chip bucket, and spread the bucket this spring to four suitable habitats.
I checked the patches last week; I don't wanna disturb them much but they definitely look more "shroomy". Nice low mods enough water, wood to catch pieces as wood and leaves fall down the hill, and if any of the patches fall in a slide, they hit an easily accessible area near water on 3 sides of a 250 foot slope. It'll be 3 to 5 years for the wild ovoid patches to take off is my guess, and when they fall into the river from a slide to the river, they'll be carried all the way the heck down into the forest.

Sept 7th 2016. This is what the expanded chips look like four months after initial planter creation. Added stems of shredded blackberries and leaves and sticks and twigs from habitats I was scouting for the upcoming season.

I took 2 cuttings of my white flowering silverbrush, moved them and the firewitch planter, added a ton of mushroom tissue and fresh cooking chips. This layer must be 1/4 of the way down the planter by now. I put them in there in September so they'd have time to rot and loosen up before adding mushroom tissue and habitat wood/woody soil. Boiled for 4h, drained, used water for LC agar and grains and never got it to stick. If someone does a new grow please see what happens when you use woodwater all the way through. I keep cube plates around accidentally and get them to fruit invitro. I never once had a serbica, allenii, cyan or azure fruit. I had hoped wood water would work but I never ever got the hang of it. Too many contams. Must've needed 20psi for 2h, not 15 for 1.5 hours.

This time last year.

This time this year. I planted one of those little maple tree helicopters (small bunch back left), some kind of tall thin grass snuck in, and the firewitch has taken over the pot. The roots haven't hit the sides yet. These ivy bundles are barely hanging on as far as staying in the pot. They grew down about 20 feet and the neighbors asked me to cut it, as much as they enjoyed the tiny flowers and small colored leaves and hummingbirds.

Patching the shrinking sides with chips woody soil etc. Nearly an entire season of picking trimmings underneath and mixed in. Boiled and drained chips.

Same here on the small one.

February 2017. Chip from old agar pucks and LC.

Mid March 2017
Added different types of wood from an ovoid patch that wasn't fruiting. My projects and all types of wood going bonkers.

Going nuts eating the old silverbrush and wandflower leaves. They shed the bottom as summer ends. Kept everything in the planter. Trimmings from the out of control wandflower (over 2 meters in length. Mycelium jumped that wood and colonized that tilted woody stem from when we first bought it.

February before this spread across the pot.

April 2017. Some early spring growth and expansion. Presumably ovoid. Increased tightening of the top layer but never saw fruits. The root systems of this are very gentle. Patched with soil and worm castings and filled gaps with peat.



Some old discarded plates and LC taking to fresh and wild chips. Pics are Feb 2017. Dumped over colonized PDA plates, wads of LC.
(Edit note: I ran some unmodded lid LC. Hear me out. Potato and dextrose water from wedges in unmodded pint jars filled 15-20% capacity. It worked, but as it began running out of air and stalled, I dumped them in my planters and beds and chip piles in parks).




2016 August chips

August of this year. If we had an ovoid season, and this was fruiting, I'd have a superb ovoid cover.

April this year.

April 20th mycelium porn. Ovoid mostly a handful or two of cyan azure chips. I didn't wanna burn too much of the latter.

My two-month forgotten about ovoid cup with sticks twigs and leaves from the leftover planter with some chips. Added water 2 weeks later spawned it back it was glorious.

Better climate at the bottom to go hide in during absence of light, fae, very low GE, sitting with a bunch of gardening stuff and tools.

April showers bring May flowers.




Plenty seed pods got replanted in both. Pic 2 is flowers budding.


Hardier and redder leaves for the wand flower. The bases are just now becoming much more woody.

Fantastic mid-May cover had it fruited this year.

Active mycelium in August. The dead flowers and leaves of this most recent and final layer got covered in peat. This wood is maybe 2 inches down max.



2016 wandflowers.

2017 blossom. Many more hummingbirds but they are not around much longer if at all.


Hardier cutting doing well. Dropped seeds this year in both planters and replanted.

Autumn is almost late. The ones in the original planter went to seed again real fast and stopped.

Some shoots after peat casing. Colonizing the wood a week after some cold days and cold rain a month ago.

The big open area is from a buried azure stick a couple inches long, about as thick as putting thumb to forefinger. Surrounded by other colonized wood before I put this peat down. Was just way too dry and the plants were burning and wilting. Mixed a half quart of cube isolate and a handful of verm while making a water retention layer.

These are the kind of azures in the stick I got.

Ah, here it is. What the mature ones look like in a subsequent flush 14 days later.

Sometimes their stems seemingly grow off nothing (or in pine needle cases actually).


Oh for those of you spawning.. sometimes azures like a little pine. Leech it well before using in a bed.

I put some of this in my planter. Just stuck it in at a 45 degree angle. I had accidentally stepped on and slipped on this root and took with me some moss and azures. Kept the bark because they love it when it's old enough to eat and they're always stronger and bigger.

This got a lot longer than I thought so I'm just gonna stop now lmao.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Adden] 1
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This is interesting, I have only attempted Cyans when it comes to active lignicolous species, and therefore still very new to the subject. I read this before attempting it, which said that fruiting was triggered by a drop in temperature, like King oyster, 10-18 °C.
I can tell you it likes the exact same methods, substrates and fruiting system (cool temps) as King oyster. Unfortunately both King oyster and Cyans are an issue for me due to the required temperature.
I can only grow them seasonally and outdoors, which is not really what I wanted.
Germination also requires cool temperatures, colonize @ 24°C.
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The azure's were really doing good even after moving to outdoors and taking to wood. I added chopped straw thinking it would help contain moisture through out the dry summer. Mycelium pretty much disappeared after doing so? Today it's making a slow come back.

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I can tell I am going to learn a metric fuck ton fro all of you guys!!!
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Duder, NC and Adden are definitely some of the outdoor woodloving top dogs. Now we need liloldme to show up and class will be started
My plan is to get my prints to agar then some cultures going by the new year, scout for a good place to patch and then grains/chips so by Spring something will get going.
Anybody here have to tarp over their beds during the summer? That’s the one thing I worry about
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#24675821 - 10/01/17 03:44 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think mine will be done in tubs/flower pots to start. Then I will spread some to my flower beds down the road. I 100% plan on spreading Ovoids to the river system I frequent. I figure start as far up stream as I can and let nature help out with flooding. Let it spread them down the river system. Hopefully they take hold and we can add a new state to the list. The habitat should be almost identical to where they find them in the east.
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I'm going to try a plant pot with a cake, or tub with a block, but I am not sure which yet. The cake or block will be a substrate I use on gourmet woodloving species.

You get some seriously deep and rich colour outdoors.
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Woodlovers don't need a whole lot of attention in the summer, they go dormant under ground and then re emerge when things get wet. If you have a good ground cover growing or a low shrub above the patch then you wont really need anything to cover it. If you want to go that direction though I would advise using card board instead. Then the myc can feed on it as well once it reached the surface.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: TheDuder]
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So today I tilled a bunch of woody mulch/compost shit into the veg garden to loosen soil and break down over the next couple years. I started thinking, hmmmm could I till spawn into the garden and have shrooms pop up in my garden? Don't know how well spawn would survive that though.
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I have a cyan and an ovoid print laying arpund. What are the chances of getting fruit this winter if I started now?
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Mycobolical said: I have a cyan and an ovoid print laying arpund. What are the chances of getting fruit this winter if I started now?
Do it now maybe fruits late spring is my guess depending on zone but that'd still be early and if you did bags and bags of spawn. Don't forget to make a chip bucket. I'd say a definite "next fall" project.
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TheMadHatter420 said: So today I tilled a bunch of woody mulch/compost shit into the veg garden to loosen soil and break down over the next couple years. I started thinking, hmmmm could I till spawn into the garden and have shrooms pop up in my garden? Don't know how well spawn would survive that though.
It survives 4 to 5 months of no rain and 80s then survives 7 or 8 months constantly rained on and half of that time being 35 to 40 degrees. If it's eventually gonna be a bed you may as well start now it couldn't hurt, then plant your whatever-foliage, spawn chips on top cover in native soils straw some old pine and case with peat coir or old leaves or everything.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Adden]
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Sad day but I suppose that gives me a long time to prepare. How resilient is the Mycelium? I would love to start the patch now but it can get over 110°f where I live during the summer. Also what would be a good temp to store a master slant?
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I store all slants in the fridge. Drop in SAB, wrap in bag, veggie drawer.
The part that gets 110. Like "Florida 110" with tons of water, or like "Arizona 110" where shade and 0 humidity saves you from the heat?
Ovoids would probably make it just cover with leaves in the shade always keep some of it a little wet.
Pro-tip; if you guys soak chips, you can use the wood water on your patches. It'll ferment so it really only stays for awhile, but I let mine sit on the porch and all sorts of leaves and bugs and stuff fell in it and I tossed some wood in and later drained it onto a patch and knocked up the leftovers. You could PC them for long term storage too.
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Like Arizona 110 but it could be in a fairly shaded area and watered frequently
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mycobolical]
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Best bet I guess would be a shaded area. Watch it during the day see how many hours it gets. If you have a sprinkler that hits that way, even better. Otherwise just keep wet, and by that I mean don't let the bottom of your top most layer dry out. No need to drown them. Kind of like cubes. People will overwater like people overmist. (But of course if leaves and peat are blowing away get it damp).
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Got it thanks man!
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mycobolical]
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It's important to note that there's a million ways to do these. I hope others chime in with different options and opinions. There's more than one way to skin a cap
Indeed, I hope and encourage everyone to drop their 2 cents in the cup. I think TheDude has a great thing going here.
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Mycobolical said: Like Arizona 110 but it could be in a fairly shaded area and watered frequently
You could always run your wood chip bed and cover the top with poo soil and vegetation and hope for woodlovers and cubes. My hope and goal for my big fucker, even if it takes 2 or 3 years, is to have a bit of everything or something year round.
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I really have neglected the beds around my house. I started to clear out the weeds and stuff to see if i will get any action in the next couple months. I consider the beds outside my fence fair game as long as my property is respected. I'm really into hunting and there's so many around these parts that it's really not a big deal if somebody picks them. Inside my fence is a different story.

Chicken wire is good to keep the cat from shitting in your projects.

Sometimes if it's really cold and i am trying to get one more flush i will insulate with burlap until the cold snap passes. I was thinking it may work for the hot areas if they were kept wet.

To what duder was saying about cardboard.

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Mycobolical said: ...How resilient is the Mycelium?...
Highly resistant, more than some oysters. Cyans I found to be more like tanks or bulldozers in growth. Inhibitory effects, and high ratios, that slow down oyster's to a crawl, does little to cyans.
In my side-by-side oyster dropped to 25% of full speed, cyan ran at full speed.
I used a black tea bag, 3% nitrogen and lots of inhibitory materials.
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Germs said: Duder, NC and Adden are definitely some of the outdoor woodloving top dogs. Now we need liloldme to show up and class will be started
My plan is to get my prints to agar then some cultures going by the new year, scout for a good place to patch and then grains/chips so by Spring something will get going.
Anybody here have to tarp over their beds during the summer? That’s the one thing I worry about
Definitely don't put a tarp over the bed rather cover it with organic materials instead if anything at all. Just keep the chips hydrated. wish you luck, brother. We live in the same zone, (actually my environment may be somewhat higher in the RH department), and I've been trying to get a bed to take off here since 2014, but find our hot and humid climate to be unsuitable for colonization of these woodloving species outdoors during the summer. The only success I've had so far is by pasteurizing the woodchips and colonizing them in containers indoors. Haven't made it to fruiting yet, but both my azure tubs have almost fully colonized the woodchips. Once the temps start dipping the tubs will go outside with a casing of pasteurized soil and alphalph sprouts planted into the soil. For us, I would also recommend pasteurization of any woodchips that are planned to colonized in open air. One of the major factors that these guys who make it look so easy have going for them is that they live in these species' natural habitat.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: hamloaf]
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I'm going to offload my basic cyan spore activation tests I ran, after reading about temperature based activation. Hopefully someone can improve this post or add better data, but here is what I have at the moment.
Firstly I read about spores activating on aged or decaying fruit tissue, usually the cap. I later thought, and read, that many species will germinate at fruiting temps.
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So that would put me at 10-18°C for spore activation, so I ran 12°C. I found an area in my fridge suited to this temperature range.
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Some spores activate on calcium bicarbonate water.

Nearly all spores germinate in an LC.


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Also I would suggest agar over a LC as you can isolate growth, even from contamination. If you have a print, cut a toothpick, flame it, scratch for spores, add to agar.
Alternatively use LC > cardboard or wood pellets, and transfer.
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You can also use my cellulose agar alternative (enriched). Either add trace ME, or a few drops to the spores.
This is cubensis, from spore print.

Peg transfer due to GE issues.
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Little project at home showed up on the 39th way earlier than last year.
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Awesome. Welcome to the Shroomery, fellaz!
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hamloaf said: Awesome. Welcome to the Shroomery, fellaz! 
Thanks man. So, are wood lovers a "set-and-mostly-forget" kind of cultivation? ive found some posts talking about light stimulating fruiting (and colonization???), but also would be fighting temperature issues in my zone. So, I was wanting to do this on my covered back porch in a potter (mono-tub inspired) which would be way cooler because of the shade. Too much shade though?
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Dr. Rodgers] 3
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Great thread. Yeah the Cyan mycelium is very vigorous. I'll share some of my favourite pics with you, don't want this post to be boring, haha.
These 2 are stumps I've inoculated. After a lot of rain the myc came out.


And some external links: https://i.imgur.com/5Gt8aCz.jpg https://i.imgur.com/h9vOhCZ.jpg?1 https://i.imgur.com/dxWeXES.jpg
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Adas said: ..Yeah the Cyan mycelium is very vigorous...
..After a lot of rain the myc came out...
Those last two images are beautiful, one is grain one is wood, and they look the same. I can see the wood version, has accumulated nutrients from the top.
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The last one is actually Wood + Grain. The myc is not so dense on plain wood. And yes, it was getting denser as it progressed.
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Ok, fair enough. Thanks for the info.
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Gymnopilus Luteofolius master alder chip jar, the mycelium is spreading nicely from the agar wedge, beholding no signs of contamination.
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I would probably go out the outdoor route too. It would definitely yield a better flush. As well as more flushes for years to come if fed well.
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Just thought I'd share a few pics from the past
Wine caps--stem butts to wood chips with a little watering

Gym -- LC from stem tissue --> wood chips (not outdoors but they're so cute)


Ovoids - stem butts to wood chips with a little TLC (water when dry) in late spring December
 Following spring
Guerrilla grow - spray some spores an occasional inoculated chip or two and see what happens:

Spread the spores and the myc wherever looks good and forget for a year or two and there may be some pleasant surprises when you remember to check again
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Very nice, brother. Thank you for sharing.
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Those laughing caps look very golden, That is one of the Gym's I'm looking to grow.
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Checking in!
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Theres never a very good place to post woodlover grows/ growing questions so I've decided to make a thread dedicated to just that.
Indeed!...I often have random questions about wood lovers and outdoor cultivation and never know where exactly to post.
I'm stoked about this thread, and the incoming season around my parts.
Can a patch/mycelium dry out entirely over summer, and then bounce back and start spreading and fruiting once the rains return and temps cool?
Because that's what my patches did last year...I've been wondering about this and waiting to see what happens this time around.
I found some patches of p allenii and cyans around my town a few years ago. I took some small clumps of the colonized wood chips from a few of the patches that I found and placed them in a natural riparian woodland area around spring time a few years ago. I watered the spots once a week or so for a few weeks, the myc was spreading onto other woody material in the duff/soil and a small amount of wood chips I placed there....Then around June, I got busy with other things and I wasn't able to water the patch...All of those spots I planted went the entire summer with out a drop of water, and daily temps of 90 to 105+ (though each spot was well shaded). This is in northern California where everything is crispy dry not too far into summer, though it is a riparian area so lots of trees/shrubs and tall grass and a river within 100 yards of each patch.
When fall arrived and the first rains of the season came I was way surprised to see the myc was spreading once again at each of those spots I planted...and then a month later, 2 of the 3 spots I planted out there actually fruited. I figured each spot was dead because it went with out any water and in very hot/low humidity conditions.
My basic understanding of things...I was under the impression that mycelium has to remain somewhat moist, and if it dries out then the patch is basically dead...?....
Sorry for the totally newb rambling question . I've been around this place for years but I still have never cultivated any sort of fungi so my understanding of such is still on the newb level lol...I've just done some hunting/photographing and simple identification. I have plans to eventually plant several riparian woodland areas in northern cali with cyan, allenii, and ovoid myc since it seems the allenii and cyan myc I've planted can thrive on it's own in such habitats .
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: eatyualive] 1
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Patches go all the time with no apparent moisture and bounce right back. In the PNW at least. I had a jar of colonized substrate i forgot about in the back of a cupboard for 9 months that tried to fruit. no air, no water. No one really knows what woodlovers will do. All we can do is keep trying things(Experiment). Whats the worst that could happen? I doesn't work out? No loss no gain. Science, thanks for contributing to the collective knowledge.
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Anyone know of any tropical wood loving varieties?
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Nice thread duder. Going to start rolling with some wood lovers over the winter to get ready for next year. PeteBoy hooked me up with some ovoids, cyan and subaeruginosa prints and some tips to start my grow
Come to think of him, haven't seen him in a while. Hope all is good with him
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I've seen Psilocybe cyanescens grown on maui, is that what you mean by tropical?
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: TheDuder]
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sure it wasn't pan cyan?
btw awesome thread and contributions here. I wanted to add that liloldme has a great woodlover thread/journal that everyone should skim through.
I should be giving a go at something here in the next year.
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yeah it could have been brought in from the woodchips somehow by mistake or put there as you were saying. and some of the high altitudes there would make sense for their needed climate.
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Yeah I saw that thread too, but Maui provides higher elevations, which allows for lower temperatures.
I'm thinking tropical in the sense of average temps between 80-90F during the day, with average lows at about 70-75F
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I know Mexico actually has some pretty low evening/night temperatures, which would explain why it is possible.
Where I'm at, the lows rarely drop below 70F for most of the year, with the coldest winter temps I've ever experienced being about 60F.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: stevo]
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How do you think straight casing some Caerulescens spawn would fair?
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Hopefully i can find those strains you mentioned; haven't seen them with vendors.
If there is one thing I have tons of, it is wood, and would greatly prefer a wood loving species for my climate.
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Hey guys, this is my FIRST EVER wild Psilocybe find!
Psilocybe serbica var. bohemica or arcana, not entirely sure. Took me like 30 minutes to collect this. I've been always looking on the wrong side of the forest, haha.
Wondered about putting some spores to grain, but I think that would be redundant. I'll continue working with Cyanescens instead.
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Very nice, Adas!
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Adas said: Hey guys, this is my FIRST EVER wild Psilocybe find!
Psilocybe serbica var. bohemica or arcana, not entirely sure. Took me like 30 minutes to collect this. I've been always looking on the wrong side of the forest, haha.
Wondered about putting some spores to grain, but I think that would be redundant. I'll continue working with Cyanescens instead.

Nice ones, if ya have some try to make some prints!
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: moricz]
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I would, but I don't think that would actually be useful for anything. They are nice species, but not all that useful for cultivation, quite gracile and stuff. Azurescens would be a much better bet for cultivation. More potent and massive!
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A little update on my box project. Started pinning on the 30th of September seems to be growing slow I assume it's the weather? Definitely smaller then I thought they would be compared to others.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: rhizoRider]
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Ill put up some updated pictures soon, re mulched my cyan bed because I don't think its fruiting this season. Ill check on my azure patch as well now that were getting a bit of rain.
And I would imagine that the recently spawned azure bed is colonizing well because of the high humidity and rain.
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Psilocybe serbica var. bohemica or arcana, not entirely sure. Took me like 30 minutes to collect this. I've been always looking on the wrong side of the forest, haha.
Wondered about putting some spores to grain, but I think that would be redundant. I'll continue working with Cyanescens instead.

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I put some to grain a year ago and still nothing There is mycelium outside but no signs of fruits.
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Like to share a little of what I got happening but I'm terribly busy lately. Feel free to stop by here to have a gander at some of my Ps. quebecensis pics until I get time to sort through the good ones.
Ps. quebecensis
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How many times and for how long would you set the sprinkler to come on, say if there was no rain for an extended period of time?
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I do at the morning and in the afternoon close to sunset. so twice a day, but just only to refresh the upper layers, do not want to start to rot deep underground. Cyans (if cyans) have first pins in first year and garden giants also liked it.
These mushrooms are in the cyan bed, I cannot identify them clearly, but they show similarities as the inside guys So if these love the climate, cyans will love too.
   
This one is surely not cyan.

And this is the state in my cellar:
Ps Cyanescens
    
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Severely jelly^ I started a gym thiersii dish so ill be contributing in a month or so but for now ill just be peep'n like a creep on yall
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My fish tank tek for Psilocybe subaeruginosa, not fruited yet though but hopefully in 6-8 months I’ll have something good to report:
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We have been getting a lot of rain I think I am going to go out today an check a few spots I know of just to see what things are looking like hopefully I find 1 or 2 can't wait to have something to share on this thread I love ovoids. Has anybody ever grown them indoors? I have a few prints an was wanting to give it a shot but wanted to get some first hand info before I try
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Are you planning to grow the ovoids indoor or outdoor? I was wanting to try to grow ovoids indoor but have heard no one does it
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Allenii guerilla bed deep in da forest... Need a goood soaking rain for three days 
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It's been aring for days in ky so hopefully some ovoids are around
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My indoor cyan and azur have not done anything
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C'mooooon, noo waaaay !
Great, Congrats!!!
What temps you have there?
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This is the second time they have popped for me now. Fruiting around 60
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Azure and Cyan Noob Journey (So far so good)
I don't post much, but read a shit ton. Thought I'd share my process here. I didn't really take any pics along the way.
This is my first experience with wood-lovers/outdoor. I tried to be careful with research and such. Mainly used books, RR videos and this forum, so thanks everyone for sharing!
I did one indoor cube grow before, mainly PF and tub with fish pumps circulating air. Lost a lot to contam, but had enough to have made it worth it.... had to stop due to a lot of work travel, couldn't give it enough attention.
Recently bought a house in SW Wa with 4 acres, so I figured I can finally get my dreams of perpetual outdoor beds going. My ultimate goal is to try and reproduce what happens naturally in nature by getting Mycorrhizal symbiotic relationships with doug firs and birch established - unlimited food for myc, and gas exchange both ways. Also have some small doug firs that don't get sun, so hoping the myc passes some photosynthesis to the young ones. anyways, it might take a while, but that's the pipe dream.
Got started late this yr due to some bullshit, but I think around late April. Original plan was to get in ground by May/June before summer heat, but that didn't happen so I kept things going inside by doing a couple rounds of spawning.
Inoculation First, I inoculated PF Tek jars with spore syringes - 12 of p cyan and 12 p azure. Took a while to kick off, but once I got air exchange/temps correct (I had it too warm around 75) - but dropped under 65 f and they took off
Primary Sterile Wood Spawn Then in June, did a mix of sawdust from doug fir pellets, + hickory and birch chips. Mixed with gypsum and steel cut oatmeal. Put in filter bags - PC'd @ 15 psi for about 90 min. About 1-1.5gal of substrate per bag.
Transfer cakes to bags - 1 cake per bag... broke them up and mixed really well with fresh substrate. These took off really quickly. I have a sub-basement room that stays pretty cool - even when 100F outside, it can be 60's in that room as long as doors stay closed. No A/C. I monitored temp with a remote monitor and would occasionally blow cool air in at night if temps were rising. Generally stayed in the 65-70 range, aside from some warmer times that slowed growth while traveling.
I had 4 bags get contaminated, I believe water ran out in PC on these. Since they were heat sealed after spawning, I just didn't touch them - no risk of further contam. after a few weeks, I shook the healthy bags to redistribute. Out of curiosity, I did this with one of the green mold bags. within days, it was solid green in there...
Secondary Non-sterile Wood Spawn A few wks later, all bags were very healthy and the myc ate the mold in the untouched bags. I think that's pretty awesome they just take over.
Next, I followed same substrate recipe, but mixed in some larger chips, less sawdust. Did not sterilized, just tried to keep everything clean. Spawned to bus trays - about 50/50 spawn:fresh. If you're keeping track, we're up to about 40-50 gal total substrate now. about 25ish per strain. This only sat in tubs for a week or so as the temps started dropping in Sept, so I transferred outside.
Naturalizing Spawn Dug two separate 4'x4'x10" pits, both under doug fir, which also have big shrubs around them. Sprinkled hydrated lime on soil and tossed all tubs in. Covered with cardboard and bricks on top, watered every couple days. had some very wide temp swings - up in 80's and down to 50's. after a couple wk, I took cardboard off. the cardboard was heavily colonized and even took some colonized sawdust with it. cardboard has been sitting out and myc still growing, so I'm going to dig a couple more pits, put cardboard on bottom, huck wood chips then soil over, and see what happens.
Casing - tested ph on peat moss - added hydrated lime to water before hydrating to bring up PH to around 8. covered pits, then sprinkled on some native soil and tossed in grass seed. this was a wk or two ago now and the weather is starting to be rainy for several days, down to 40's at night and 60's during day.
I'm giving this about a 50/50 chance of fruiting this yr. the main aspect I'm curious about is if the myc is still colonizing the spawn, then ideal fruiting conditions occur, like 40-50f and rainy... Will they fruit if they're still actively spreading to new substrate? this I can't find much info about, so I'm checking patches every day. It's getting more and more rainy, colder and colder, but extended forecast says it won't be sub 50's during day until late Nov. Perhaps that will be enough time to finish colonization and fruit like a mother fucker. That's the hope at least!
Thanks again for input and knowledge share. Will update with pics.
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Good stuff.
Guerilla style Knock up 2 years ago with cyan Myc. I try to hit as many piles of wood at the end of the season with at least some volunteer chips from a active bed. Some work out, some who knows. This is a start if you want mushrooms in your area and not have to worry if you will find any or not each year. Every little bit helps.
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Eeeww thats rat posoin
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Welcome johanelic, thanks for the post, waiting for pics.
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I thought you said "NBOMes" - lol
What did you say LL? oh wait, just got it. Gnomes?
Put a few pots together for some upcoming stem butts. 5/2 Alder/Potting soil and some sort of dune grass from Nye Beach,Oregon.
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No prob was just stumped for a moment. Fools around here would steal it and make it live in there urban camp site.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: liloldme]
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 Germs!
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Germs]
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I have Ovoid and Serbica spore print's yet to be used.
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Have both of those on sterilzed woodchips. They both did great on regular MEA. If they are being finicky to germinate try germinating them in the 60'sF.
Psilocybe Azurescens on pasteurized soft woodchip mix in 104 quart unmoddified monotubs.
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I knew about the low temps (cyan research), thanks for the verification.
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What agar is that, ME or PD?

ME here. Been awhile since I’ve used PD
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The water from your grain soak makes good agar for woodlovers as well.
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On another forum, I have seen wood extractive liquid cultures that germinate wood lovers (lignin, tannin's etc). As far as I know all you do is soak some wood or wood chips in boiling water and use the extracts.
I have been tempted to try this myself, although my T-Gel pretty much already does this.
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What would be the benefits compared to traditional agar recipes? Or traditional for our type of mush cult i should say
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If someone can, or wants to, I'd suggest trying wood water agar. Boil alder cooking chips, load them with grains, keep leftover alder water to use making PDA. I had relative success. Never had any fruit in vitro tho, so I don't know if lignous particles break down or they just don't do that or what. My only problem was contams. Control plates would contam. I think it's gotta be PC'd a good hour on its own then used in agar, and PC'd again. A great way to have the mycelium make the leap from grains to wood which is usually the hardest part. I just don't have the room or time to do it, and I'm sitting on half gallon jars from last year's picking season and more will come rolling in so I really don't wanna start anything cult.
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Fully colonized Ps ovoids on WBS.

6 fully colonized ps Cyanofriscosa bags on sterilzed soft woodchip mix.
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What is the other name for Cyanofriscosa?
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Alenni I now see they are the same
I may be giving that a go since they naturally grow near me
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Heck yea.
I'm trying to make the name stick on the Mushroom i found last year.
According to the microscopy it's a liberty cap.
In honer of my late Mother. Dr Susan Hardwick Phd.
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I'm trying to make the name stick on the Mushroom i found last year.
According to the microscopy it's a liberty cap.
In honer of my late Mother. Dr Susan Hardwick Phd.
Psilocybe semilanceata var. susanii

Wasn't it run through GenBank? It's hard for me to believe that's a semilanceata. For a laundry list of reasons I've mentioned before. Not even looking like one starts that list lol.
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to those libs. Plz link your original thread
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23743527#23743527
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I found stropharia like that in PDX near water in an area that floods so they chipped it for the sake of the trails.. now just grows everywhere spring and fall.
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I've updated my journal, It's pretty universal to cellulose, but then even cubensis decay cellulose in substrates. The optional tea will replace lignin, tannin's, so on, which is removed during paper processing.
The requirement for paper is not absolute, wood, straw and other materials also work. If your wood is too acidic, dissolve CaCO3 into your hydration water.
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I'm trying to make the name stick on the Mushroom i found last year.
According to the microscopy it's a liberty cap.
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Wasn't it run through GenBank? It's hard for me to believe that's a semilanceata. For a laundry list of reasons I've mentioned before. Not even looking like one starts that list lol.
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I envy you, I cannot sustain the correct temperatures indoors without running equipment, and increasing the cost. There is a bacteria I wanted to test on active species, I have only tried it on gourmet, see here.
The results where outstanding, so I really want to try this on for example indoor Cyans. I'm being sent some laughing gyms, as spores, so I will try that at some point.
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Stuntzii libs and a couple others have fruited fine for me at room temp
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Is there a forum section or post with a list of room-warm fruiting woodloving types, with data on potency?
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I have no idea lol...i have done a few gym species all did great at room temp
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I'm told potency is moderate to none with some gym's, no doubt I will end having to make isolates and clones. If true, there might be some sort of requirements for good potency, which is why I was interested.
Would you say potency is moderate, and what was the substrate and spawn ratio?
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Yeah moderate at besy i always use a 1:2 ..
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Even Libs? What the heck dude? :O I would really like to try Gyms though. I feel like that could work.
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Even Libs? What the heck dude? :O I would really like to try Gyms though. I feel like that could work.
Shouldnt be too surprising lol...they are listed to fruit from summer through fall they just tend to fruit in fall because summer is dry
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Thanks cron, I thought that was the case, most likely genetics. Still I guess its ideal for beginners, or small doses.
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Oh well, then that makes a lot more sense. I thought they were cold-loving.
Also, certain Gyms are weak but I've heard that Luteofolius and Purpuratus are pretty good. They are also very nice, I tink I'll get myself a print one day and try.
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Luteofolius and Purpuratus, noted thanks.

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I'm trying to make the name stick on the Mushroom i found last year.
According to the microscopy it's a liberty cap.
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Psilocybe semilanceata var. susanii

Wasn't it run through GenBank? It's hard for me to believe that's a semilanceata. For a laundry list of reasons I've mentioned before. Not even looking like one starts that list lol.
Im still weorking on the gwn two indoor variety

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Yep it was cloned i couldnt get them to maturity that round
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Bummer.
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Stevo, it would be nice if you could send them to someone who can properly ID them. This way we're just guessing species and people get misinformed about potency, I think. It's a shame that Gyms are not so easily ID'd, would make things much easier.
If I decide to try cultivating them at some point, I'll make sure to get a verified print. Or at least I'll try, haha.
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If I decide to try cultivating them at some point, I'll make sure to get a verified print. Or at least I'll try, haha.
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Question:
Can't you prove the presence of potency by splitting a stem and see if it turns blue-black-green? Personally I would then take a tissue sample and clone the darkest looking one.
Given that said species doesn't already turn blue-black-green.
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Gymnopilus thiersii: contains psilocybin and psilocin, and stains blue-green where damaged.
Excellent, getting there, so far gym gym gym, and yet all so unique.
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Here is a test with cyan spores, calcium carbonate (and bicarbonate) + soluble nutrients (no starch or sugar). Not quite sure what is happening yet, but it does not look like a normal CaCO3 solution.
Here is yesterday, and today after a stir, lots of interesting formations:

Here is a similar experiment, but using only YN, no MG:


Here is normal CaCO3 water, fully mixed:
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First cyan pins of the year for me 

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Sweet thread Duder!
I don't have photos of anything too amazing to post yet. I have a couple ovoid beds that I started in April. I'm guessing they still need a little more colonizing time and won't be ready till spring.
Seems to me after observing the mycelium for a few months that it's mycorrhizal so I threw a block of colonizing wood into a flower pot filled with 50/50 spent gardening soil and sawdust plus a handful of gypsum. Then I dug up some phalaris arundinacea (stuff is actually pretty common and easy to find) and hosed off the roots the best I could then planted that on top. Not banking on anything here but I have my fingers crossed.





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Found these on a log, was only on the trail for about 5 minutes haha. Could you possibly be able to help identify these suckers.
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I would post that over in the Hunting and ID thread, you will get a lot more input.  That not a psilocybe species if thats what you're looking for. Next time get some shots of them still in the ground.
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300 plus pounds of native, 100 percent, freshly shredded, punk oak woodchips.

Some will be for various woodloving Psilocybe species, the rest will be for lions mane and reishi.
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I wonder how many times in my life have I walked right past some pins and thought they were poop.
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I wonder how many times I've stepped or knelt in poop picking mushrooms and not notice.
I did see a big fucking junkie log right in the middle of a patch once. I've never been back.
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Ovoid after 1 week w/o water

 
30 minutes after watering

  The arrow is pointing to something that I thought could be an undesired growth.
It flaked off easily. It must have been something that stuck from a previous watering.
5 hours after watering


I wanted to share this because I think it demonstrates ovoid's reaction to water well.
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Boys I am having some issues getting wood lover spores to germinate, I have them on grain broth agar right now, the cubes and gourmet cultures love it. Should I try soaking some wood and using that broth with ME to make agar, or what is the go to method to get wood lover spores to germinate?
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Woodlovers in general should germ on agar just fine, people only have problems with Ovoids. I would go spores > grain for that purpose.
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I never had problems getting them to germ on MEA or straight grain. Maybe make up a few no pours with some grain and see if that helps. Just transfer a grain to an agar plate to clean it up from there.
I've heard you can use the water from soaking or boiling woodchips in agar and lc to help for later vigor but I don't think I read it's helps with germinating but that would make sense.
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OK, I may just need to give them a few more days, or maybe the no pour plates need a little softer agar with a little more moisture.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: hamloaf]
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Well I just cleaned up some dishes from the same agar batch and honestly, that shit is a bit hard and all I use is 2g/100ml so I may try softer agar. My work area is in mid to upper 60's right now. I tried throwing a plate of ovoid in the fridge, in a zip lock bag, and that didn't seem to help. I may need more moisture as well as the extra moisture is now gone from those plates. Fucked up part is I did germinate cyan spores before.
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yea slightly lower temps could help a lot as ham said and also try a couple brf plates. They'll germinate damn near anything for me.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: hamloaf]
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Tested and I agree, general idea: Germinate at fruiting temperatures, if below room temperature. You should go for the higher end of the tolerated fruiting temperature, for better speed.
Example: Fruiting temperature range 10-16°C, try germination at 16°C.
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idk fruiting temps are average of 40-50 degrees I believe.
I found colonization and germinating worked great around 70 degrees and slightly increased germinating at about 60 degrees.
I never tried germinating at anything lower than 50 so I can't say for sure but I didn't notice much benefit and very possibly the opposite from that low of temps
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K, I will try germinating them in a cooler part of the basement. I need to hang a heat lamp, in opposite corner, in the area I work, cause its getting a little cold for my cubes, growth is slowing down as the temps drop.
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Indeed, the lower the temperature the slower the growth, however the lower temp is only needed to germinate. One you have visible growth, you can place into normal working conditions, speed should improve.
You no longer need the lower temperature, so even spawn can be made at room temps. Until fruiting conditions are required, then reduce temperature to suit.
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Tested and I agree, general idea: Germinate at fruiting temperatures, if below room temperature. You should go for the higher end of the tolerated fruiting temperature, for better speed.
Example: Fruiting temperature range 10-16°C, try germination at 16°C.
Yea, my ovoids, and azurescens wouldn't crack after several attempts until the spore plates were sustained at 60-65F.
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Just fucking beautiful!!!! I take it that is the patch you started last year.
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Damn nice one dude! Checked one the azure bed I laid a few weeks ago, the grass seed I put down sprouted. I hope that helps keep moisture in. Got some ground cover strawberry and rubus growing too.
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TheMadHatter420 said: Just fucking beautiful!!!! I take it that is the patch you started last year.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: liloldme]
#24730934 - 10/23/17 07:20 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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That's dope, lilme. Woot woot woot!
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: hamloaf]
#24731310 - 10/23/17 10:47 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Subbed, thanks for making this much needed thread!
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Lemon Hope]
#24731690 - 10/23/17 01:54 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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I put some ovoid spores to agar today this is my first time working with agar wish me luck guys
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: liloldme]
#24731866 - 10/23/17 03:05 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Ferather]
#24731876 - 10/23/17 03:07 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dam adden got a perma
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: cronicr]
#24731882 - 10/23/17 03:10 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Damn...
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: TheDuder]
#24731965 - 10/23/17 03:49 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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WAIT, what?
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Yep gone for good
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: cronicr]
#24731971 - 10/23/17 03:53 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Damn, he has been here since 2003. I can't even imagine what he would have done.
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I will join by showing my stembut/sawdust tinfoil burrito. I will update on progress in the future.

Yep Addens woodlovers journal is gone with him. I loved that thread.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Psynonim]
#24731987 - 10/23/17 04:04 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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loosing that thread sucks as it was full of great info.
Also I am looking forward to seeing your burrito.
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Wow what a piece..
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Germs]
#24732413 - 10/23/17 06:43 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bummer
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Damn... I liked Adden
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Just_A_Noob] 1
#24732538 - 10/23/17 07:29 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why the FUCK is Adden banned, and the woodlovers collective thread closed. This is an outrage. You all need to quit playing around.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: hamloaf]
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Adden landed a perma...auto closes any journal of his
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: cronicr] 4
#24733216 - 10/24/17 03:49 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Eyecandy... Today I've seen them almos all open, so pix in the evening 

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: moricz]
#24733241 - 10/24/17 04:23 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Are those cyans?
And... I've been away until recently... has the community figured out how to reliably produce liginicolous mushies indoors?
Or... have you?
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: moricz]
#24733243 - 10/24/17 04:24 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Poor Adden. He was the shit. 
Moricz, fantastic pics, wow! Are these serbica?
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Adas]
#24733286 - 10/24/17 05:22 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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I am going to miss him. If he got banned for snapping in the one thread, then those who baited him and pushed him should be banned as well.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Adas] 1
#24733287 - 10/24/17 05:24 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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They are Ps. allenii, and this tub was not seen any outdoor world, but the clone that I made from is do. (clone to agar then LC to grains then pasteurised woodchips)
I start to think that they are answering with pins to these factors:
- Average temp is not more than 18C° at all (these started pinning after a week when the cellar dropped down to 18 constant from 20 C° constant) - 6 h on 18 off lighting I use 4000 K led Bulbs (this I was not sure I forget the lights on for three days and they grow... - FAE - 15 min / 1 h - High Humidity 90+% - "nastiness" that means I saw some lil' molds were on some chips and I'm sure they caught bacterias from the air or from flies (we know that) - They start in the end of september every year, so maybe some wireless connection to the outer world or the shared consciousness of all the woodlovers
I observed that the outdoor maximum temps are in the 18C° range, they start outdoor if a bed is well colonised and established. Also a bed from a clone is produce fruits in the first year and MS cultures nearly not (I've got 2 pins last year, now I have maybe 5 from the MS bed )
Soooo Donno' They like this cellar for my joy of course 
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: moricz]
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The temperature response to MadHatter's germination inquiry made me wonder about Ps. pseudoaztecorum. Maybe I should drop the temps on that one? It's been on agar for weeks and nothing is showing. The 1/4-print I received is super light. Trying to make it work for more genetics. (Ham you may get your wish.)
Anyone worked with this yet?
Not to derail from the epic woodlovers! I'll post my azzie project soon.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: moricz]
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moricz said: Eyecandy... Today I've seen them almos all open, so pix in the evening 

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Nice flush! Is that ovoid?
EDIT: never mind, I don't see any vale remnants. Still, nice flush though.
I'm not trying to jump up in the middle of anything, I know I'm new here so IMHO social business involving older members is none of my business.
Adden has been using this social media for something like 15 years. He will be back.... under a new name. Give it a few weeks to let some seporation anxiety to set in. I know on FB 95% of users who leave come back.
IMO it appears to have been an intentional self destruct. He seemed to be on edge from other users trolling him and stuff. Now they won't be and now Adden has the power to start fresh.
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So I dropped the temp on my wood lover spores and when I looked last night, something had germinated on the Serbica plate. It was to small to tell if it was mold or mycelium so I let it set and will check it today.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: moricz]
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moricz said: Eyecandy... Today I've seen them almos all open, so pix in the evening 

Peace
Didn’t know these could be grown indoors. Really cool
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Germs] 1
#24733765 - 10/24/17 10:58 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Spawned an Azurescens bed on 9/29/17, it seems to be doing well towards the surface.  It would be cool to see what is looks like further down.
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#24733771 - 10/24/17 11:00 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: TheDuder]
#24733778 - 10/24/17 11:03 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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My Cyanescens outdoor mini-beds are still doing nothing. It has rained the last 2 days, but the wind already dried out some of that moisture. Temps should be good, but I think they want some more rain. I'm hoping to see at least something this year.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Adas]
#24733810 - 10/24/17 11:22 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Adas said: My Cyanescens outdoor mini-beds are still doing nothing. It has rained the last 2 days, but the wind already dried out some of that moisture. Temps should be good, but I think they want some more rain. I'm hoping to see at least something this year.
Same here. Temps have been pretty cool but a bit weird.. still has been warm during the day occasionally. Been using a sprinkler to water my patches when it's not raining
Not sure if they need more water.. not sure how long to let my sprinkler run on em..
Or if the temps aren't quite right yet
I guess they will tell me when they are ready lol
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: TheDuder] 2
#24733955 - 10/24/17 12:33 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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TheDuder said: Spawned an Azurescens bed on 9/29/17, it seems to be doing well towards the surface.  It would be cool to see what is looks like further down.

I'm planning on sacrificing a few ovoid beds in the spring to learn a little more about what's going on underneath the surface. I'm not trying to be that guy going off about some dumb shit that turns out to not be true, but the longer I watch these beds the more I'm convinced there is a bit of a buddy system going on between ovoid and moss, ovoid and grass (at least phalaris), and ovoid and some trees.
I'm wondering if ovoid colonizes root systems in sandy soils. The sand would help the fungi breath and get quick easy access to water. Then I'm thinking it begins to colonize the surrounding soil along with anything that happens to fall on to the ground where ovoid is having this micorhizal relationship. The fungi would then climb up from the ground into fallen branches and drift wood that has become "beached". After the surface wood has become inoculated with ovoid myc it would then be carried away by flooding caused by the next heavy rain as it's own form of self propagation. Maybe the spores are just there to help ensure genetic diversity and to help keep the fungi healthy in an ever changing environment of competition.
Just a guess. I'm planning on an attempt to get to the bottom of it though.
Maybe azur is similar? I believe azur natural habitat is in dunes near a river that empties into the pacific.
Once we try to start answering some of these questions that people are not asking about woodlovers natural habitat and lifecycle we will begin to better understand these not well understood fungi.
I'm ready to know.
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I extracted several saplings this year, made an attempt to clean the roots, and then planted in containers of mulch w ovoid myc. All the saplings died except for a sycamore that seems to be doing quite well and a alder that is in another container that also seems to be doing quite well. Come springtime both trees are getting dug up so I can examine the root systems and then I'm replanting them into fresh substrate to see how fast colonization happens and to see how long it takes for surface colonization capable of leap off type inoculation can occur. I'll take photos and post about it.
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I got something to germinate on my serbica plate and I think it is actual mushroom mycelium and not mold. I am soooo happy, lol.
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Sweet brother!
I just fabed up a bunch of mini rounds last night. Bout to get onto agar w some pasty plates. Pretty excited about it.
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LOL, I just picked up another 16 mini rounds because I want to be able to run more cultures including more wood lovers. Still have to get subaeruginosa, cyan, ovoid, qeubecensis, and libs to germinate.
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Any1 try leaves to sup for wood?
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: LemurLemur]
#24734133 - 10/24/17 01:50 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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So I want to make some softer agar to aid in germination some wood lover spores. I normally do 2g/100 and was thinking about 1.5/100. Now thing is I am not sure just what would be to soft. Anyone got any advise here. I really want the subaeruginosa to germinate as I was only gifted a small piece of a print. I got a couple prints of the other to keep trying with.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: LemurLemur]
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LemurLemur said: Any1 try leaves to sup for wood?
If the leaves are nitrogen rich, then yes, a good example is tea leaves (3.1% nitrogen). There are many types of leaves, so you may need to evaluate the content.
Caution: The extra lignin, other, will lower pH and attract mold.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Ferather] 1
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Ferather]
#24734312 - 10/24/17 03:15 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well i made wood dust with a brick but the wrong wood apparently H.abietis prefers soft woods.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: LemurLemur]
#24734323 - 10/24/17 03:21 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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P.M Quadman, but from reading that species will decay lignin, cellulose, hemicellulose.
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TheMadHatter420 said: So I want to make some softer agar to aid in germination some wood lover spores. I normally do 2g/100 and was thinking about 1.5/100. Now thing is I am not sure just what would be to soft. Anyone got any advise here. I really want the subaeruginosa to germinate as I was only gifted a small piece of a print. I got a couple prints of the other to keep trying with.
use the recipe on pasty's plate tek but instead of the potato use grain soak water for your water measurement. Don't forget the drop of karo.
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TheMadHatter420 said: So I want to make some softer agar to aid in germination some wood lover spores. I normally do 2g/100 and was thinking about 1.5/100. Now thing is I am not sure just what would be to soft. Anyone got any advise here. I really want the subaeruginosa to germinate as I was only gifted a small piece of a print. I got a couple prints of the other to keep trying with.
I used up the last of my agar the other night. I had 1.7 g agar left which I added to 150 ml of grain/wood water and it's borderline. It seems great for germinating so far but it was a disaster doing transfers yesterday. It was way too soft, when I would attempt to do the transfer I couldn't stick it to the receiving plate, it would just push into the agar.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: wolfedawwg] 1
#24736212 - 10/25/17 10:18 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Soluble agar, and soluble liquid culture | Alternative DIY method. Germinates everything in 3-5 days, average, room temp.
Requires aseptic (sterile) working (be clean).
For nutrients provided, see here.
Recipe:
Optional: 1-2g > Calcium carbonate powder
2-3g > Dextrose monohydrate (brewers sugar, see here) 0.1g > Miracle-Gro, or other, soluble nutrients 0.1g > Yeast nutrient (or yeast extract)
100g > Boiling hot water 2.8g > Agar powder *

Not ideal for cleaning purposes.
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Just found a GIGANTIC P. serbica today. Printing in progress. That shit is (almost) as big as Cyanescens.
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Working with T-Gel antibacterial agar, and wood pegs:
T-Gel agar uses no added starch or sugar, laccase enzymes and the mycelium produce sugars via oxidization.
Here is oyster, strong enough to "selectively" devour mold, and a bacterial competitor. This is infected WBS (wild bird seed) and T-Gel agar (modified camera settings).

 ---- Also, green mold is a wood loving mycelium, see some pics here, it will therefor germinate on pretty much any substrate supporting germination. In my above pictures, its producing soluble food via enzymes, so not only is it being devoured, but it's also attracting oyster growth. The oyster will produce the same enzymes as the mold (both wood loving, and both are primary decomposers).
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Ferather] 1
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very nice guys and girls, i am gettig all jaloux of all the myco-prn pictures. never tried cultivating woodlovers
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Adding some pics of today's Serbicas. The two whitish ones were big, but look at that monster in my hand.

Also, found this six-pack of tumors. You don't see that every day!
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They come armed with laccase, something like cubensis fails to do either well or at all. Lignicolous mycelium will self provide sugars to improve cellulose decay.
Not as fast as absorbing sugars directly, but much safer.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Ferather] 6
#24736481 - 10/25/17 12:18 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wood, untreated is about 50% carbon (from cellulose, lignin, other), and 0.1% nitrogen: [500:1] = bad yield, weak-slow growth. All wood loving types benefit from the addition of missing, low nutrients, wood has a very low nitrogen ratio (cold).
Many species can be picky about what proteins they detect, sometimes in specific format. Oysters will trap nematodes, and digest them as a source of protein (nitrogen).
The most universal format, is soluble ammoniacal or ureic nitrogen. Dung contains both ammoniacal and ureic nitrogen.

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Manure (decayed foods), note the three main nutrients, contains both ammoniacal and ureic nitrogen, high water content.

Alternative sources, note matching nutrients, plus many more:

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Straw analysis:

Wood analysis:

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Paper pellets:

Basic nutrient list, plant fiber based: Carbon, Potassium, Phosphorus, Magnesium, Chromium, Copper, Iron, Manganese, Silicon.
If you don't add fast carbon (starch, sugar, lignin, other solubles), you don't get contamination germinating. Using spawn, you have two potential options, enriched and 10%+ spawn, or 50/50 unchanged.
Convert spawn as, roughly: -55.55% carbs = carbon, -84% proteins = nitrogen. Convert paper as, roughly: -64.55% dry = carbon, -99.8% dry = nitrogen.
20:1 for best yield, 40-60:1 for faster colonization.
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If that fails, seek bacteria, or specific woods.
Also wood is acidic, check the best pH.

For live oyster mycelium, pH 7-8 produced the most vigorous growth. Calcium carbonate, powdered, can be used to increase pH.
Most acidic materials decay above pH 6.5-7.
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Multiple data sites stated an increase in laccase production with the addition of wheat bran.
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Rough carbon to nitrogen guide:
Wood products: Contain about 50% carbon, 0.1% nitrogen, this is a carbon to nitrogen ratio of 500:1 (0.1 x 10, until 1%, 50 x 10 = 500). Paper products: Contain about 40% carbon, 0.2% nitrogen, this is a carbon to nitrogen ratio of 200:1 (0.2 x 5, until 1%, 40 x 5 = 200).
Wheat bran, example:
Here is wheat bran, with total nitrogen of 2.560g per 100g. Wood has about 0.1g of nitrogen per 100g.
100g wood + 100g bran = 200g, 0.1 + 2.560 = 2.660, 2.660 / 2.00 = 1.33% nitrogen. 100g wood + 75g bran = 175g, 0.1 + 1.920 = 2.020, 2.020 / 1.75 = 1.15% nitrogen. 100g wood + 50g bran = 150g, 0.1 + 1.280 = 1.380, 1.380 / 1.50 = 0.92% nitrogen. 100g wood + 25g bran = 125g, 0.1 + 0.640 = 0.740, 0.740 / 1.25 = 0.59% nitrogen.
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Some species-strains may like nitrogen rich leaves with their wood. An example would be tea leaves, nice and rich in nutrients.
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Wood ash, composition data here.
Edited by Ferather (11/01/17 10:43 AM)
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