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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Generic] 1
#28626129 - 01/18/24 04:26 PM (9 days, 6 hours ago) |
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Tweeq goes grain spawn to sterile chips n xl bags. Raw wood in sealed bags at room temp will almost certainly mold and have flies in it, which can still make good spawn😘. Smoker chips are ok raw at room temp, but $$$. Raw wood stuff for the most part is best kept outdoors with open air. I put grain straight to chip beds more than anything now, but I do a few canner runs of wood chips because it does make good spawn, and you just got to follow what Tweeq does, god damn!!! Indoors sterile probably makes spawn the fastest, but I’ve had some stuff colonize just fine outdoors with temps getting into freezing by putting grain straight to raw chips in beds or fabric pots. I am liking a blend of chips with coir or peat, and some perlite of pumice, or fine lava rock, potting soil basically without nutrients. Like less than 30% potting soil. I am no longer fermenting chips, unless they are visibly full of flies and molds, the patches Ive made with fermented chips have failed more than fruited. I fermented a lot of chips the last two years, for my workflow it does not work. Raw pasteurized, or sterile in their proper place. Just depends on what your space and work flow can afford.
12 yards😂 I’m trying to find a spot to dump a van load. Too tight of a turn to pull into my yard😢, our local source for alder chip is 100 yard minimum, and I would entertain that if I could fit it somewhere. Read Miss Rumphius.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mr Piggy] 2
#28626132 - 01/18/24 04:27 PM (9 days, 6 hours ago) |
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Honestly as someone who has been on a fair number of tree crews, no home owner is ever prepared for what we bring them through chip drop (besides trout).
I just got a beautiful load yesterday, and I’m like keep em coming. I love ice storms.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Land Trout]
#28626378 - 01/18/24 07:03 PM (9 days, 4 hours ago) |
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Yea storms are good for the downed trees they chip around here.
I usually go from grain to hand chopped wood thats recently died or has fell. Always get random sizes that way.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Generic] 1
#28626666 - 01/19/24 01:34 AM (8 days, 21 hours ago) |
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Generic said: OK woodchips are best, got it.
I was assuming it would be grain to sawdust spawn to woodchips... thank you all.
So would it be best to go from grain spawn to unsterilized wood chips, no sawdust involved? t I'm still curious about the colonization vessels at that point. I have lots of XL filter patch bags and plastic totes I could use. But unsterilized wood chips inside seems contaminant prone. I probably need to get over my affinity for sterilization for this; So after grain spawn, nothing should be sterilized or pasteurized is the consensus?
Like Trout pointed out, if you plan on using bags indoors with wood chips, I would strongly advise to sterilize the bags with chips first. You don't need sawdust and you can go from grains straight to chips.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Generic]
#28626742 - 01/19/24 05:04 AM (8 days, 18 hours ago) |
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Generic said: OK woodchips are best, got it.
I was assuming it would be grain to sawdust spawn to woodchips... thank you all.
So would it be best to go from grain spawn to unsterilized wood chips, no sawdust involved? t I'm still curious about the colonization vessels at that point. I have lots of XL filter patch bags and plastic totes I could use. But unsterilized wood chips inside seems contaminant prone. I probably need to get over my affinity for sterilization for this; So after grain spawn, nothing should be sterilized or pasteurized is the consensus?
Like Trout pointed out, if you plan on using bags indoors with wood chips, I would strongly advise to sterilize the bags with chips first. You don't need sawdust and you can go from grains straight to chips.
If you've got a lot of spawn I'd be more inclined to spawn to tubs with pastuerized chips. It's easier to pastuerize than sterilize in bulk.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Rumblestrip]
#28626942 - 01/19/24 09:44 AM (8 days, 13 hours ago) |
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Most woods except for Cedar right? I've heard they hate it. Especially actives.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: MoJim]
#28626945 - 01/19/24 09:47 AM (8 days, 13 hours ago) |
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Avoid cedar and pine , most any hardwoods are ok. Ash , cherry. Maple hickory apple I've used with success , and "blonde" chips from landscaping are hardwood so call some tree trimmers and landscaping places for bulk finds
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: rhizoRider]
#28626965 - 01/19/24 10:00 AM (8 days, 13 hours ago) |
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Yes hardwoods for sure, what about Douglas Fir which is a softwood? I got a chip drop last year and there was a variety of wood in there. Any tips on identifying wood after they are turned into chips? In my pile I saw bits Cedar,Fir and Alder bark. Any future chip drop, I'll specify no Cedar.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: MoJim]
#28626991 - 01/19/24 10:16 AM (8 days, 12 hours ago) |
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You can also rot unknowns to aid but stick with hardwood, dkuglas fur are pines basically so avoid pine based chips especially if just starting spawn
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: rhizoRider] 5
#28627147 - 01/19/24 12:12 PM (8 days, 10 hours ago) |
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Cross post from Exotics and journal..
Well, I haven't killed it yet..
 Psilocybe aff. Hopii (Gandalfiana) agar to chips test day 25
But what I did kill, was E.T. He's just to the left of the S.

 Psilocybe aff. Hopii (Gandalfiana) agar to chips test day 25
Additionally, I'm noticing they are seemingly more interested in the water than the wood at this point and seem to be drawing it out of the chips. Makes sense being it's a snow melt mushroom. Probably has to deal with a lot of water initially. Seeing them growing in a culvert drain field kind of supports my theory. I guess. 
This one is likely an exception with pine as well. I really need to get it to grain and try some pine when I find a convenient pile.
copied from journal..
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For our first post of the year we are highlighting a new Psilocybe species — Psilocybe “sp-CA02” found in May 2023 by Taye Bright and analyzed by Harte Singer. This undescribed species is secotioid (aka sequestrate) which means that it appears to be a "normal" mushroom, but its cap will never open. Taye's notes are as follows: "Growing from soil organic matter in a saturated area close to a culvert just downhill from road in the 2021 Caldor fire burn scar, in Eldorado National Forest. Undescribed sequestrate Psilocybe species, ample blue bruising along the stipe." Genetically this new Psilocybe is close to P. hopii, but not at all close to P. polytrichoides, which is the only other known secotioid member of the genus in California. This new discovery provides a remarkable example of convergent evolution, meaning that both distantly related mushrooms adopted the same secotioid strategy. And Taye’s remarkable find adds another example to California’s eco-evolutionary guild of fungi displaying a secotioid/sequestrate phenotype. Psilocybe expert and California local Alan Rockefeller is in the process of describing this species. He plans to name it Psilocybe gandalfiana, as a nod to the tall pointed hat worn by the character Gandalf in Lord of the Rings! Incredible finds like this one made by the CA FUNDIS team would not be possible without funding from the State of California and the California Institute for Biodiversity!!
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Tweeq] 2
#28627151 - 01/19/24 12:14 PM (8 days, 10 hours ago) |
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Generic said: OK woodchips are best, got it.
I was assuming it would be grain to sawdust spawn to woodchips... thank you all.
So would it be best to go from grain spawn to unsterilized wood chips, no sawdust involved?
Not necessarily. I of course agree with others that sawdust is not needed, but that doesn't exclude the use of sawdust as a viable spawn. As with all things, context is key. When used in proper conditions it is a great spawn material. The issue with sawdust spawn is that it requires goldie-locks conditions, not too wet or too dry, not too beezy or too sunny.
But the amount of inoculation points between a gallon of sawdust or a gallon of chips is not even comparable, nor is the amount of square footage that can be spawned with the same volume of spawn. Not to mention that the spawn rate is drastically increased if you use sawdust in the same amount of sqft that you'd use chips. You cannot take grain spawn to large volumes of unsoaked dry chips, but you can sawdust as long as you water the bed in good after spawning. Yes you can do the same with chip spawn, but again it goes back to how large a bed you want to make in the same amount of time.
Basically it all boils down to what works best for you. Sawdust spawn takes up less space on your shelf for way more spawn while colonizing, has less chances of puncturing the bag while PC'ing or colonizing, and can hold a much higher percentage of available moisture for the colonizing mycelium with less air pockets for it to have to jump across. But it is finicky compared to chip spawn. I personally use sawdust because I always have it on hand to make edible culture blocks, or for my electric smoker. I have a tote full of pellets that takes up a LOT less space to store than dry chips since I only get fresh-ground mulch when I need at least a truck bed full.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: MoJim]
#28627166 - 01/19/24 12:27 PM (8 days, 10 hours ago) |
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To identify chips, try and see if you can stick your thumb nail into chip. Hard wood not so easy. Everything else, easy.
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I look for bits of leaves and/or needles in chips to help me identify species, along with looking at the bark on some chips. Once you get far enough along in it you can id them all by smell.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Land Trout]
#28627375 - 01/19/24 03:15 PM (8 days, 7 hours ago) |
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mr Piggy] 1
#28627382 - 01/19/24 03:23 PM (8 days, 7 hours ago) |
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I should say seems to me there may be some potential benefits to using some cedar from my limited observation. Just so no one comes back and thinks I told them cedar was the best or something. It’s not antifungal like some people say, it’s rot resistant, but it does rot. It definitively doesn’t kill any of these fungi, and they will colonize and fruit from it, not sure if they will live off it exclusively, but they last a lot longer than any hardwoods. Like by the time the hardwood is almost gone the cyanescens is eating the cedar well.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Land Trout] 3
#28627396 - 01/19/24 03:40 PM (8 days, 7 hours ago) |
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Fungus loves cedar.
I've never personally seen woodloving psilocybes fruit off of pure cedar chips, but I've seen them colonized mixed chips with cedar in them no problem. I will say alder does seem to be best. The fruit sets I get off of alder are intense, but it's usually a one season deal before they eat em all.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mr Piggy] 1
#28627520 - 01/19/24 05:17 PM (8 days, 5 hours ago) |
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I have a colony of Ps cyanescens thats been growing on almost exclusively on red cedar chips for a decade. I just took some of the tiny remains fruiting on pine cones around the perimeter of where the spot used to be transplanted to a hardwood chip spot. I think genetics are to thank but also that if its wet enough with enough leaves and pine needles maybe its more tolerable.
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Thanks for pointing out that context is key and when it would be appropriate to use sawdust spawn.
When the trees are dormant is the best time to get chips in general, before their energy goes into their foliage in spring and then there gets to be leaves in the chips.
I like hearing that bit about cedar, I might mix some in, it makes sense to me.
And I love hearing that you hand-chip the wood, I think I'll try that more in this context.
Time to find or make chips
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Notwhouthink] 1
#28627664 - 01/19/24 07:20 PM (8 days, 3 hours ago) |
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Notwhouthink said: I have a colony of Ps cyanescens thats been growing on almost exclusively on red cedar chips for a decade. I just took some of the tiny remains fruiting on pine cones around the perimeter of where the spot used to be transplanted to a hardwood chip spot. I think genetics are to thank but also that if its wet enough with enough leaves and pine needles maybe its more tolerable.
That I would require proof of to believe.
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