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I try to make sure the grain spawn is really colonized before I put it outside, that might be why I have less issues than others with rodents, but some people do claim to have issues outdoors with grain spawn and rodents. I generally DGAF as long as the myc makes the leap to the chips, they can spread it all they want.
Heh, squirrels tripping nuts.
Anyway, I'm lucky enough to live in a very wet part of NW Oregon and do not need to soak chips. I spawn outside directly to untreated moist chips from grain spawn and do fine. Some people like to make a big tub of spawn indoors using woodchips and then bury that or chunks of that in outdoor chips beds and they have great success.
A lot of this is going to come down to the particular climate of where you live.
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Mr Piggy said: I try to make sure the grain spawn is really colonized before I put it outside, that might be why I have less issues than others with rodents, but some people do claim to have issues outdoors with grain spawn and rodents. I generally DGAF as long as the myc makes the leap to the chips, they can spread it all they want.
Heh, squirrels tripping nuts.
Anyway, I'm lucky enough to live in a very wet part of NW Oregon and do not need to soak chips. I spawn outside directly to untreated moist chips from grain spawn and do fine. Some people like to make a big tub of spawn indoors using woodchips and then bury that or chunks of that in outdoor chips beds and they have great success.
A lot of this is going to come down to the particular climate of where you live.
Hey piggy, been a while. 
Love that you still rocking that avatar.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mr Piggy]
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Mr Piggy said: I try to make sure the grain spawn is really colonized before I put it outside, that might be why I have less issues than others with rodents, but some people do claim to have issues outdoors with grain spawn and rodents. I generally DGAF as long as the myc makes the leap to the chips, they can spread it all they want.
Heh, squirrels tripping nuts.
Anyway, I'm lucky enough to live in a very wet part of NW Oregon and do not need to soak chips. I spawn outside directly to untreated moist chips from grain spawn and do fine. Some people like to make a big tub of spawn indoors using woodchips and then bury that or chunks of that in outdoor chips beds and they have great success.
A lot of this is going to come down to the particular climate of where you live.
I live in NY near the water. Its never dry here. Always humid. Not sure what that means for my climate or what the preferred method would be due to my location but Im not worried about any critters eating it. In my attempt to dose the world, I pour any old tubs/bad spawn jars outside to get the squirrels and birds tripping but nothing ever touches it.
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Hey piggy, been a while. 
Love that you still rocking that avatar.
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AspectOfTheCreator said: I live in NY near the water. Its never dry here. Always humid. Not sure what that means for my climate or what the preferred method would be due to my location but Im not worried about any critters eating it. In my attempt to dose the world, I pour any old tubs/bad spawn jars outside to get the squirrels and birds tripping but nothing ever touches it. 
Sounds like you should be set environment wise, especially if it is humid in the fall. Just make some chip beds outside and toss in spawn.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mr Piggy]
#28566947 - 12/03/23 03:49 PM (1 month, 24 days ago) |
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Last question. Does the spawn to woodchip ratio matter? Sounds like woodlovers work differently than other commonly cultivated mushrooms. You can keep adding chips each year so I wouldnt imagine the ratio matters too much? Its more a matter of just getting them started on wood?
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: basilic85]
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Tweeq said: Azzies like it really cold ime. They won't pin before the night temps drop to just above freezing (at least as cold as 40F/5C) and it's also got to be plenty wet at the same time (ime).
Ok you talk about fruiting condition,but in your opinion, what is the best condition in temperature and moisture fo expand mycelium?
Idk about other woodlovers, but ovoids love very warm moist conditions. The myc goes crazy.
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AspectOfTheCreator said: Last question. Does the spawn to woodchip ratio matter? Sounds like woodlovers work differently than other commonly cultivated mushrooms. You can keep adding chips each year so I wouldnt imagine the ratio matters too much? Its more a matter of just getting them started on wood?
Probably the best method is to grab massive amounts of colonized chips and spread it evenly through the new chips, but you really donβt need to put much effort into it. One stem butt buried two inches down in mulch is usually enough to start a new patch. It may take two years to see anything, tho.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: koods]
#28567542 - 12/03/23 09:15 PM (1 month, 24 days ago) |
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Can anyone speak to the potency of azurescens and psilocybe cyans? Are they similar? Is azurescens much more powerful? Id like to try growing azurescens at the same time as cyans if i can manage to find a print. Only place selling them online is horribly overpriced.
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I should hopefully have a few soon.
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AspectOfTheCreator said: Can anyone speak to the potency of azurescens and psilocybe cyans? Are they similar? Is azurescens much more powerful? Id like to try growing azurescens at the same time as cyans if i can manage to find a print. Only place selling them online is horribly overpriced.
My Cyanescens are significantly more potent than my Azurescens. But I'd also like to know what other members' experiences are!
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JW123 said: This thread may interest you fiddy. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19189163#19189163
Cool, thanks for the shout JW, I skimmed it just now. Pretty straightforward right off the bat. I had found another thread on reishi-coir/reishi-mono and was to my liking as well. I only just spawned 1 jar of reishi ~400g colonized millet spawn to pasteurized hwfp, pine flakes, coir in shoeboxes. (1had coir added) so we will see how that performs in comparison. No bran no alfalfa/supplement, just boiling water added. I made a small post in the other forum, here it is if you want to check it out. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28565767
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Tweeq]
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My Cyanescens are significantly more potent than my Azurescens. But I'd also like to know what other members' experiences are!
I thought it was the opposite, interesting.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: basilic85]
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My Cyanescens are significantly more potent than my Azurescens. But I'd also like to know what other members' experiences are!
I thought it was the opposite, interesting.
Exactly! It was the same for me. Before I tried them I was under the impression that the general consensus was that Azurescens were the stronger ones. But with mine, the opposite is true.
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My Cyanescens are significantly more potent than my Azurescens. But I'd also like to know what other members' experiences are!
I thought it was the opposite, interesting.
Exactly! It was the same for me. Before I tried them I was under the impression that the general consensus was that Azurescens were the stronger ones. But with mine, the opposite is true.
Interesting. Wouldnt suprise me if this was a huge misconception all along. Theres probably so few people who have had the privilege of trying and comparing both that its gone unchallenged for so long.
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I would think it could easily be chalked up to different phenos, I mean just look at the variation in cubes.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: rhizoRider]
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hey what's going on woodlover's thread?
i am seeking advice. i tried smoothie tek (tldr; blended up some fresh wavy caps, and used resulting slurry to attempt to inoculate some hydrated wood chips)
wound up growing some dark green mold on the chips.
my question is: how would you treat these chips before attempting to inoculate again? (i have a bunch of stem butts colonizing cardboard lasagna style that i'd like to use on these chips)
would you pressure cook? bleach soak? forget them and buy new ones?
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wavvy said: hey what's going on woodlover's thread?
i am seeking advice. i tried smoothie tek (tldr; blended up some fresh wavy caps, and used resulting slurry to attempt to inoculate some hydrated wood chips)
wound up growing some dark green mold on the chips.
my question is: how would you treat these chips before attempting to inoculate again? (i have a bunch of stem butts colonizing cardboard lasagna style that i'd like to use on these chips)
would you pressure cook? bleach soak? forget them and buy new ones?
thanks for your thoughts
Hi,
I'd strongly recommend learning agar and using it to make clean grain spawn (in exactly the same way as with cubes). Not just for your woodlover projects but also for mushroom cultivation in general.
Slurry 'tek' may sometimes work and also it may not. Non sterile tech is far from reliable and just not best practice, just like mss to grains is not best practice.
For the initial transfer from grains to wood chips, I'd recommend sterilizing the chips. Once established on wood chips the mycelium is usually very resilient.
It's my personal view that cardboard has no place in woodlover cultivation at all.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Tweeq]
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thanks for the reply!
i will put some of my wavy cap mycelium to agar and get some grain spawn going. i have never sterilized woodchips before. i am thinking just throw them in the pressure cooker loose with some water and cook at 15 psi for 90 minutes?
thanks again
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: wavvy]
#28568265 - 12/04/23 12:42 PM (1 month, 23 days ago) |
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wavvy said: thanks for the reply!
i will put some of my wavy cap mycelium to agar and get some grain spawn going. i have never sterilized woodchips before. i am thinking just throw them in the pressure cooker loose with some water and cook at 15 psi for 90 minutes?
thanks again
You're welcome! I usually put (soaked and slightly dried back up) wood chips in XLS Unicorn growbags and then sterilize that.
Once your spawn is ready, inoc with a jar full and shake it up carefully (as to not rip holes in the bag) and seal up. Let colonize (at rt or slightly lower). Once tour bag(s) are done you can spawn outdoors to more wood chips or expand to more bags first. Whatever you like.
I would personally not go too big before you know you have a culture that fruits really well, ie a clone culture
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