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bacillus
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: stevo]
#24863960 - 12/23/17 01:38 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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So white and blue, the second one looks like a cerulea. I scraped a serbica print today.

Recently I've seen fuel pellets made from sunflower husks. Do you guys think they would work as a substrate for woodlovers?
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openmind
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NothingsChanged said: It may be too cold to trigger the pinning? 55 and wet is cyans trigger and i'm sure theres many more seasonal triggers as well? Never hurts to try.
I don't think it'll be too cold? What would be considered too cold for pinning?
The average temps around here in February are basically the same as they are during the fall when patches around here start to pin/fruit (for the month of Feb, the average low is 43 and average high is 60). 24 hour average are probably around 50 to 55 give or take.
And yea...I figure there are lots of other seasonal triggers that trigger pinning. I'm going to give it a try just to see, not with all the spawn I have but just a chunk of it, like a big dinner plates worth.
There was some other noob-eqsue question I was going to ask in this post, but I forget lol .
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: openmind]
#24865330 - 12/24/17 07:02 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread *DELETED* [Re: Ferather]
#24865510 - 12/24/17 08:57 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: stevo]
#24871824 - 12/27/17 04:06 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Tub is cyan stem buts straight in mixed up with hard wood chips. Both bottles are cyan stem buts to cardboard then after myc started growing I cut up cardboard and mixed it with hard wood chips. All chips were boiled for 1/2 hour plus then cooled down and mixed. My question is what temps are best for colonization? The garage stays between 35-45 house stays at 70-74. I plan to mix with wood chips out side around spring time. Thanks in advance for all replys.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Baeomaze] 1
#24871841 - 12/27/17 04:13 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would keep them at around room temperature.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Adas]
#24873598 - 12/28/17 01:23 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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T-Gel agar [Test log] Updates : 0.8g of black tea leaves is enough to replace for example malt extract.
Additional additives are not needed for lignicolous mycelium, and are potentially risky.
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WL-Tek [Test log] Updates : Recommendation on cleaning paper-card products.
You can also clean paper products using a pressure cooker.
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Wood + WL-Tek:
Should require only pasteurization, due to the phenol based setup, however may contain resistant bacteria. Plant phenol's act as the easy carbon source, and the cellulose as the complex carbon source.
Wood can be kept within these settings by adding a carbon free nutrient source. There are also several working methods that use low starch content.
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Testing:
You should measure end media pH and % nitrogen content. Generally we start with ~ 50% [C], 0.1% [N], [500:1].
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Ferather] 1
#24873660 - 12/28/17 01:47 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Observing bacteria in a petri dish, Tested on agar: bin, cough, solid and liquid soap, and paper. Fungi edition here.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Ferather] 1
#24873709 - 12/28/17 02:10 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Clean steps:
Clean spawn > Clean substrate > Clean container > Exposure to air during assembly. Generally colonized substrates are open air safe, take steps if it's needed.
Also do not forget about "produced" spores, as well as molds.
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Some substrates are air safe, others are not.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Ferather] 2
#24873978 - 12/28/17 04:07 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Slow down on the triple posting
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: cronicr]
#24874044 - 12/28/17 04:30 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sorry, a bad habit of mine. I'll try to remember and edit.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Ferather]
#24875367 - 12/29/17 02:40 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for the info, and the work you put into learning.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Adas]
#24875414 - 12/29/17 04:04 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Adas said: I would keep them at around room temperature.
Thank you! I pulled them inside today. Super stoked to have my own patch this fall.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Baeomaze]
#24875417 - 12/29/17 04:09 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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After you make the woodchip patch, make sure to put something on top that will provide nutrients for the mushroom, such as grass cuttings - these turn to compost as they rot and the mushroom will extract nutrients from it, giving you meatier and healthier flush.
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Some data on pH: "In addition most fungi grow best in an acid pH, but dung fungi grow best when the pH is around 7, which is the average pH of dung." -- Source.
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NothingsChanged said: Thanks for the info, and the work you put into learning.
No problem, I don't mind doing the head and leg work. I'm not here to make arguments, just trying to be logical and scientific.
I must say lignicolous mycelium, penetrative or non-penetrative, are the easiest to grow, without starch or sugar. The downside to cubensis, is the lack of laccase, meaning it needs starch-sugar, or pre-decay present.
Any mycelium armed with laccase simply needs plant phenol's + cellulose for carbon. Cubensis will need starch-sugar-other + cellulose, yes it eats cellulose.
Simplified: Trace easy carbon + ample complex carbon.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Ferather]
#24875618 - 12/29/17 08:30 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's why Cubes grow well on Hay or Straw (or even shit - there are no simple sugars in shit). My Cubes that were cased with Woodchips partially decayed them. The chips basically turned into a sponge that was easily breakable, haha.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Adas]
#24875634 - 12/29/17 08:37 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Try vermiculite sized chips, soak them to remove the phenol's and get trace, add CaCO3 to get pH 7. You could also add some of the soak water to agar, and isolate growth before spawning.
Spawn should provide enough starch to decay the chips, or add bran-other.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Adas]
#24876130 - 12/29/17 01:40 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Adas said: After you make the woodchip patch, make sure to put something on top that will provide nutrients for the mushroom, such as grass cuttings - these turn to compost as they rot and the mushroom will extract nutrients from it, giving you meatier and healthier flush. 
I will definitely have grass clippings to put on top. Thank you I will add that to the to do list. I have this huge rhododendron so my plan was to chip under that and then mix my colonized chips this spring. I read about alot of people digging down 5" or so and mixing layers. Is this necessary? When I found the patch that I got stem buts from the city had spread about a 3" thick carpet of chips 2 years ago and they grew from that.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Baeomaze]
#24876139 - 12/29/17 01:45 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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You don't necessarily need to dig into the ground, but it will surely help keep the beds more wet during dry summer months. So I suggest you to dig at least 5cm below the surface for this reason. Then again, good grass clipping (or other) casing will provide additional drought protection.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Adas] 1
#24876198 - 12/29/17 02:20 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Adas said: You don't necessarily need to dig into the ground, but it will surely help keep the beds more wet during dry summer months. So I suggest you to dig at least 5cm below the surface for this reason. Then again, good grass clipping (or other) casing will provide additional drought protection.
Ok sweet another will do then. Thanks for answering my noob questions. This is my first mushroom cultivation project. I will keep you guys updated throughout the process if you don't mind? I will probably have more questions too.
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