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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: holofractal]
    #27315095 - 05/19/21 12:41 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

They consume both lignin and cellulose. As far as I'm aware.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Adas] * 1
    #27315103 - 05/19/21 12:48 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Indeed- wood loving psilocybes eat both.  Some fungi are better at eating/selectively consume more lignin and some more cellulose.  Some consume both indiscriminately.

Holofractal, I'm with you on the 24-48hr soak.  Hell I only soak mine to make sure they contain sufficient water before pasteurization.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: alaskappalachian]
    #27315114 - 05/19/21 01:01 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Last I heard of the looooong soak (2 week +) was so anaerobic microbes could colonize the chips and kill off the aerobic microbes.  After that just kick the barrel over and the air exposure is supposed to kill off the anaerobic and leave "pasteurized" chips.

I find the entire process highly sus, but I'm going to give it a shot one of these days and see what happens. 

If one has good spawn there is no point to "pasteurizing" chips anyway, so seems like extra steps.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #27315148 - 05/19/21 01:37 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I use wood from my chainsaw/splitting area mostly and it decidedly needs to be pasteurized.  Even "cleaner " chips from the store can bite you if untreated.  Of course it also depends on where/how they will be kept.  Am I just adding chips to my outdoor beds?  Maybe I don't worry about it.  Indoor/tubs?  They're getting pasteurized.  Too many issues and not all wood lovers are successful at competing with all molds.  Hell, even outdoors I've introduced slime molds that consumed entire stretches of my bedding.  Has a lot to do with conditions and materials you start with IMO/IME.  I'm speculative about fermented chips too btw...  Tried it and couldn't get past the smell,  for one.  Secondly,  I had approximately the same rate of success as heat treated wood.  Go figure.  God, that smell though...


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: alaskappalachian]
    #27315153 - 05/19/21 01:40 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

When I am using BBQ smoking wood chip I will put them into a huge pot.  Fill with water and bring to a boil.  Turn off the heat and let it cool down.  If I am in a rush rinse with cold water a couple times.

That seems to really get the chips to expand and soak up water.  Might also help the mycelium penetrate from the splitting of water soaked wood.

It really does seem to help soaking.  Takes a lot more time for mycelium to get hungry for dry chips just hosed down.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Ps.NoName] * 1
    #27315156 - 05/19/21 01:44 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Totally.  My trick I've latched onto for speedy colonization is to use punky birch (still light/white but able to be broken down easily by hand into chips).  Soooo lightweight and airy.  Definitely require heat but I've never seen a wood lover cruise like on punky,  softer hardwoods like birch, mountain ash or poplar.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: alaskappalachian]
    #27315170 - 05/19/21 01:58 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I think the fermentation and leeching could serve the same purpose - to get rid of easy nutrients. With one you rely on bacteria to eat it, with the other you rely on changing the water they sit in multiple times to dilute the nutes.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Ps.NoName]
    #27315179 - 05/19/21 02:09 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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When I am using BBQ smoking wood chip I will put them into a huge pot.  Fill with water and bring to a boil.  Turn off the heat and let it cool down.  If I am in a rush rinse with cold water a couple times.

That seems to really get the chips to expand and soak up water.  Might also help the mycelium penetrate from the splitting of water soaked wood.

It really does seem to help soaking.  Takes a lot more time for mycelium to get hungry for dry chips just hosed down.




Does this cover the pasteurisation too? Thanks for the replies everybody.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Guerrilla] * 2
    #27315336 - 05/19/21 04:57 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Finally managed to establish a Subaeruginosa patch after 2 failed attempts. The first fruits are popping up now. Started it 9 month ago
with grain to chunky coir and mixed this with a mix of fresh pine and random types of aged wood chips. After that I pumped about 10 jars of grain
spawn into the patch to speed things up.



The tubs I made are still not showing anything but they are well colonized. They are grain to coir and layered pasteurized woody potting soil, fresh
fermented pine chips on top and repeated this when ever the previous layer got fully colonized. Fingers crossed.



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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
    #27315352 - 05/19/21 05:17 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)



Hey everyone. I'm new to wood loving psilocybes and kinda just jumped into it with sawdust and bran blocks. They're colonizing so slow compared to the kings on the left. Am I doing this wrong?

Baba yaga, that patch looks sick! Nice work


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: deadmandave]
    #27315699 - 05/19/21 11:28 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Deadman those are about on par with how mine have gone.  Im not sure if adding bran or any supplement helps with these as were generally not fruiting them from blocks, ive just gone straight sawdust.  extra grain spawn may have sped things up. 
Baba: what hemisphere are you in?  looks like an awesome patch.  All of my sub patches are racing ahead of most of my cyan patches.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Land Trout]
    #27315706 - 05/19/21 11:38 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Those look like 5 pound bags do you need all that substrate?  Maybe a 1 pound bag will colonize faster, but I haven't done any woodlover research yet.  Holofractal and I are going to pioneer the way towards indoor woods lol.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Lieutenant Pan]
    #27315711 - 05/19/21 11:46 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Haha idk how much sub I need but if I do the easy waiting now then I can colonize more wood chips faster. Glad to hear it's about normal. They are 5lb blocks with 20% bran. We'll see how it goes.

Thanks both of you, really appreciate the feedback.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Land Trout]
    #27315766 - 05/20/21 01:17 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Baba: what hemisphere are you in?  looks like an awesome patch.  All of my sub patches are racing ahead of most of my cyan patches.




Southern hemisphere, what you can see in the photo is only a 6th of the whole patch but the rest has only a few heads popping up here and there.
hoping that it will fill in a bit more. Well season will still be going strong for a couple more month. Got two more patches which are not
showing anything yet. One started with 100% fresh fermented pine chips that will probably take until next season to fruit.

So stoked that this worked out his time, made some stupid mistakes before but it's all part of the process :wink:

Unfortunately my semilanceata project doesn't seem to be fruitful this year but you can't have it all lol.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
    #27315773 - 05/20/21 01:26 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I'm still so friggin jealous your semi grow...  :cophappy:


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: alaskappalachian]
    #27315786 - 05/20/21 01:53 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks alaska*, I guess I had bad luck with the compost I'd bought this time, that stuff was kind of nasty.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
    #27315873 - 05/20/21 04:51 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Finally managed to establish a Subaeruginosa patch after 2 failed attempts. The first fruits are popping up now. Started it 9 month ago
with grain to chunky coir and mixed this with a mix of fresh pine and random types of aged wood chips. After that I pumped about 10 jars of grain
spawn into the patch to speed things up.



The tubs I made are still not showing anything but they are well colonized. They are grain to coir and layered pasteurized woody potting soil, fresh
fermented pine chips on top and repeated this when ever the previous layer got fully colonized. Fingers crossed.






Man that looks awesome. I'm on your trail with a failed subaeruginosa patch.
I've replated my master culture and will start again!


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Guerrilla]
    #27316508 - 05/20/21 02:42 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Does this cover the pasteurisation too? Thanks for the replies everybody.




I am not sure really.  I am doing this outside so I never really cared much about sterilization / pasteurization .  I started with PF cakes and most jars contam'd to some extent.  When I put them outside the bacteria/mold was not really a problem at that point.  Ovoid rapidly started growing on the soaked BBQ chips.  Store bought Maple, Apple, Hickory ovoid seemed to like.  Walmart will put them on clearance end of the summer. 

Just a little bit of sawdust in the PF cakes.  Otherwise the same was as doing cubes.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Ps.NoName] * 2
    #27316980 - 05/20/21 10:33 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Got a trial size of subaeruginosa mycelium in the wine fridge after undergoing the same treatment as the azzies. Left to dry at room temp, seems like no moisture was left.

Dunked for ~10 mins, had to submerge the cake. I got a full size tray drying but since it is significantly larger (but same thickness) I was erring on the side of caution and giving it more time, but hopefully I see preliminary results from the small piece. Same temp and humidity, although from what I read subs don't need as low of a temp, but looking at climate data for where these grow, my setup will be unchanged.

My goal, is a family photo with azures and subs together :laugh: 

For outdoor stuff, I'm getting some casing made. I unfortunately had to make some patches in mostly full sun, which sounds like a death sentence but it's not, I just have to take precautions. I planted a bunch of plants but they are not growing as fast as I thought they would, so until they fill in I'll be using cardboard on these. I was going to try some patches uncased, but I've decided against that.

For the casing, I am using alder pellets which I soaked and disintegrated, and plain organic in ground garden soil. Mixed nicely at a 2:1 ratio, made the casing 1/4" thick or less. Had good experiences with this mix. I'll peel some cardboard to get the inner layer which is softer and easier to digest and cover the patches that need it. Benefits of that is it'll bring the mycelium to the surface so when you peel it off it'll be covered and you can use it for other projects.

I always forget just how brutal PNW summers can be.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: holofractal] * 4
    #27317952 - 05/21/21 07:46 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Voids. Luck of the multispore or a microclimate, not sure but one area doing way better than the rest.

Getting a lot of different shapes and colors. Some caps stay almost black, others are really light and bluing shows through.



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