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Hindsight
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: holofractal]
#27307979 - 05/14/21 07:37 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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holofractal said: Substrate is garden soil and pulverized alder pellets. It's been consolidated for quite some time actually, I've had this mycelium for months but then one day while shuffling around my projects in my wine fridge I accidentally left this out for a week or so, prob like 10 days. It was bone dry, amazing what these wood lovers can survive.
So after dunking and chilling, I saw pins in 2-3 weeks. I've done cyans with this method but that time I used outdoor mycelium and fruited it a few months early indoors, but more or less they experienced that same dry period just like they do in nature.
Humidity I am not controlling but I got a reptile fogger that's gonna be here tomorrow then I'll be boring a hole in the wine fridge to feed in the fogger. I'll take some pics when it's all finished. Else I'd be hand misting a few times a day.
I have the most amateur setup ever lol. I really am freehanding most of this shit. Mostly cus the data is so scattered and conflicting I tried to do things my own way based on some known facts of PNW actives.
So I would have to say during the vegetative state kinda anything goes. They will not fruit from vegetative state into cold conditions it seems, they (and probably all wood lovers in the PNW) need the dry period.
Which makes total sense. If you think, evolutionarily, the fungus wants to give its spores the best chance of success and time to develop. Here in the PNW, the onset of fall signals 6-8+ months of rain. So I think genetically, it waits for the dry period to trigger its circadian rhythm.
Thank you for sharing! Great info. This sounds surprisingly similar to the way I am attempting to grow. I put my grain spawn to Alder hardwood fuel pellets plus maple smoking chips. Once that got to 100%, I cut out a "loaf" of it, and laid it on a bed of garden soil in a tub, then surrounded the sides and top with more garden soil (I posted a pic in this thread only 10 or so posts back). Did you use store bought bagged garden soil or soil from your yard? I wonder if it matters. Letting it dry out is a happy accident! Though I'm from the PacNW and I don't really remember it getting very dry shortly before the time of year that these start fruiting - I wonder if it is simply the stress the drying induces that helps coax fruiting in indoor conditions? I also wonder if giving the cake a good whack to help induce fruiting would work, similar to what Shiitake growers do.
If I have an open container of water in my wine cooler, I get 80-90% humidity. I wonder if that would suffice and avoid my having to install a fogger or mist.....
At any rate, congrats on being one of the few to have success with the azures and thank you for sharing your find to the community!
Oh yeah, what temp are you running in the cooler? 55F?
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Hindsight]
#27308034 - 05/14/21 08:28 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think by dry period is just referring to pnw summer low humidity vs. winter high humidity, compared to say Northern Midwest dry winters humid summers...?? Good info, thank you again! Makes a lot of sense. It’s time consuming doing trials with these wood lovers.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Land Trout]
#27308097 - 05/14/21 09:16 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Picture of a slant of a clone I made from a wild Psilocybe cyanesence last autumn.
 I layed my first bed with this clone outside about a month ago now. No idea how thats going to work out, but I love this little slant anyway.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Land Trout] 1
#27308457 - 05/14/21 02:02 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Land Trout said: I think by dry period is just referring to pnw summer low humidity vs. winter high humidity, compared to say Northern Midwest dry winters humid summers...?? Good info, thank you again! Makes a lot of sense. It’s time consuming doing trials with these wood lovers.
Precisely. We get very little rain in the summer here. Idk if the humidity per say matters as much as the substrate getting dry. I just left this nugget of mycelium out on my living room table and it got very dry, I could have crumbled it to dust.
I just soaked in filtered water for about 10-15m and stuck it back in.
@hindsight, yes i am keeping it at 55F.
Getting a little bigger

Got 3 (maybe 4?) pins so far.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Hindsight] 1
#27308951 - 05/14/21 07:59 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Haywire said: Spring, can't remember when I made the beds. a month or two ago.
Ah ok - Not sure what you are growing but in the case of Azures and Psilocybin Psilocybin Cyanescens, I know they don't fruit until fall but I'm guessing you know that and you are talking about other wood-lovers that fruit in spring.
Not wood lovers, but on the topic of outdoor beds, A month or two ago I had some indoor shoeboxes of cubes that refused to fruit so I scattered the substrate under a tree outside, forgot about it, and when I was doing yard work the other day, I found this. Looking forward to hopefully seeing some wood lovers popping up this fall too!

Kinda sad not to see more love for the outdoor cube grows on here. I dumped a few contaminated tubs in a pile of horse manure and they went crazy. To bad the climate here isn't better suited for them.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Shroomhunts]
#27309179 - 05/15/21 12:24 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Kinda sad not to see more love for the outdoor cube grows on here. I dumped a few contaminated tubs in a pile of horse manure and they went crazy. To bad the climate here isn't better suited for them.
A couple years ago I put maybe 4-5 PF cube cakes outdoors. Dug a hole in shady mulch area. Put the cakes in, cased with coco/verm and covered with straw. About a month or so later it fruited really good. Super easy and hands off. Ohio, June.
   My ovoid patch is going to have some nice looking, fruits mature enough to drop spores tomorrow.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Ps.NoName] 1
#27309191 - 05/15/21 12:46 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Kinda sad not to see more love for the outdoor cube grows on here. I dumped a few contaminated tubs in a pile of horse manure and they went crazy. To bad the climate here isn't better suited for them.
5 years ago, we had a crazy hot summer and I had a big zucchini plant in a 60L cement bucket. I poured straw pellets on top of the soil to limit evaporation and mixed some bacterial spawn in it. the humid, shaded climate proved perfect for cubensis. very cool to find those mushrooms.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Haywire]
#27309587 - 05/15/21 09:16 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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I’ve buried a dozen quart jars of spawn 4 16 quart tubs and 6 monos after one flush, and my soils just seem to destroy cubensis. I get more fruits out of my spent tubs I toss in my worm bin. So far my ps. cyans and subs seem to be doing well, lost a few blocks to yellow slime, some patches are thriving, so just surviving. Ovoids planted last summer put out some nice big fruits but I’ve got big slug problems. No real time on my hands to deal with it, but come fall it’ll be a slug slaughter.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Land Trout]
#27309643 - 05/15/21 09:51 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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I used to get $3 bags of horse poo compost and dump them in the yard with dirty spawn. While the flushes were great, the fungus gnats were not. I like the indoor control of cubes and the outdoor art of woodlovers.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mr Piggy] 4
#27309697 - 05/15/21 10:47 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Cultivated ovoids outdoor looking way different from the wild ones I find like in my avatar.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Ps.NoName]
#27309822 - 05/15/21 12:36 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Cool phenotype!
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: CHUCK.HNTR]
#27309839 - 05/15/21 01:02 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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So I got a reptile fogger hooked up. Drilled a hole in the top and shoved the tube thru.

I did notice an increase in temp but I now have a thermometer in there to check the temp without opening it. Gonna see how that goes. I also have another mini humidifier that also might work as a backup. Seems like the fridge is using the energy to pull the moisture out of the air instead of cooling. Gonna keep my eye on this, although this wouldn't be a problem if I had a larger wine fridge but they are expensive.
Reptile fogger is nice cus it brings in a little FAE. Cardboard is to deflect direct air from hitting the mushrooms.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: holofractal]
#27309977 - 05/15/21 03:30 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Anyone ever try indoor ps cyans? In las vegas you can forget about an outdoor patch.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Ps.NoName]
#27310644 - 05/16/21 02:32 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Those are gorgeous.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Macrolepiota]
#27310697 - 05/16/21 04:19 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Looking okay? Luteo
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They look exactly like my G. luteofolius jars, and seem to be equally slow as mine. This is my first time cultivating Gymnopilus species. I'm also running a G. purpuratus experiment, which grew at least 3x as fast compared to the G. luteofolius.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Poison Drink]
#27310767 - 05/16/21 06:47 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nice man, I'm still ignorant of the different luteo. To me it looks healthy too
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Lieutenant Pan said: Anyone ever try indoor ps cyans? In las vegas you can forget about an outdoor patch.
Pan, That’s literally what the post above yours is about. Azzies, cyans, subs, would all be about the same indoor. However I’ve never seen an indoor woodlovers grow that compared to cubensis for amount of psilocybin produced over time and effort. Yes they are stronger by volume, but cubes are perfect for indoor.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Land Trout] 1
#27310956 - 05/16/21 09:25 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Lieutenant Pan said: Anyone ever try indoor ps cyans? In las vegas you can forget about an outdoor patch.
Pan, That’s literally what the post above yours is about. Azzies, cyans, subs, would all be about the same indoor. However I’ve never seen an indoor woodlovers grow that compared to cubensis for amount of psilocybin produced over time and effort. Yes they are stronger by volume, but cubes are perfect for indoor.
It's more for fun. I will be working on improving yields, but obviously this will never get to cube levels of production. I would be very happy if I manage to get 4-5g dried for a 4.5"x2.5" or so takeout container with mycelium.
Regardless, in my case I don't need cube quantity of mushrooms, just small personal amounts and why not experiment to get it? I got plenty of outdoor patches of ovoids, azure, cyan, allenii and subs. This is more to pass the time.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: holofractal]
#27310966 - 05/16/21 09:33 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Haha, hell yeah Holo, my first thought when I saw your post was “you could do this in a reefer van” two 5.5 beds with misters and modify the reefer, and then thought, I could grow a hell of a lot more value in oyster and shiitake in that amount of time. But your share has inspired me to do an azzie bed in my greenhouse. Don’t know why I didn’t think of that sooner.
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