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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Land Trout]
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Thanks Land Trout! Will check those out.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Hindsight] 2
#27301630 - 05/09/21 01:13 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Been looking for this chain. Lol
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: CHUCK.HNTR] 2
#27302333 - 05/10/21 01:59 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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I didn't know iron supplementation was necessary for woodlovers.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Haywire] 1
#27303407 - 05/10/21 06:37 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Did my Azure beds today. Couldn't find any chain but I hope that will be alright 
I did two different bed styles. One was waylitjim's method of having multiple layers of spawn, organic potting soil, and fresh chips. The second was doing just one vertical layer, but with several rows of spawn with fresh chips in between. I added some fresh cut hardwood limbs from the yard, and I also added some sand into the soil since the Azure spore print I'm working off of was taken from a wild mushroom growing in a coastal dune of Oregon.
I did spore print > agar > oats > wood spawn made of 50/50 HWFP and hardwood smoking chips. The wood spawn colonized very aggressively - One quart jar of oats got a 15qt tub filled to the top with chips and HWFP to 100% colonization in just 14 days.
Outdoor bed #1, half way through, using waylitjim's layered approach. You can see a part of my 15qts of spawn on the side:

Outdoor bed #2 with just one row of fresh chips filled in. I added about 1/4" of organic potting soil over the top once all the chips were on and then covered with cardboard and leaves:

And lastly, for my crazy and ambitious attempt at an indoor azure grow, I made two small 6qt shoeboxes by putting a layer of soil down on the bottom, then cutting a "loaf" of wood spawn out and sitting it in the middle, then filling all around the sides and top with potting soil. My plan is to let one of them consolidate at 76F for 3 months and then move it to a 55F fruiting chamber. The second tub I will let colonize for 6 months at 55F and then move it to a 55F fruiting chamber. I don't expect results from either of these indoor grows but I have nothing to lose.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Hindsight]
#27303918 - 05/11/21 06:46 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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nice! still no fruits on my beds even though it did rain for a week  I noticed slime mold in my allenii bed but overnight it dissapeared. When I get home I'll put some pics up of my three new beds (Ps. azurescens, Ps. ovoideocystidiata and Ps. subaeruginosa)
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Haywire]
#27303965 - 05/11/21 08:08 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Haywire said: nice! still no fruits on my beds even though it did rain for a week  I noticed slime mold in my allenii bed but overnight it dissapeared. When I get home I'll put some pics up of my three new beds (Ps. azurescens, Ps. ovoideocystidiata and Ps. subaeruginosa)
How long ago did you make the beds? Are you in spring or fall right now?
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Haywire]
#27303995 - 05/11/21 08:38 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Haywire said: nice! still no fruits on my beds even though it did rain for a week  I noticed slime mold in my allenii bed but overnight it dissapeared.
Ime slime mold has always been the sign of a dead bed, unfortunately. That may not be universal, but like I said, in my personal experience. I'd definitely take a dig around in your bed to check for healthy mycelium.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27305087 - 05/12/21 01:42 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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How long ago did you make the beds? Are you in spring or fall right now?
Spring, can't remember when I made the beds. a month or two ago.
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Ime slime mold has always been the sign of a dead bed, unfortunately. That may not be universal, but like I said, in my personal experience. I'd definitely take a dig around in your bed to check for healthy mycelium.
yea I did and most of it was growing happily. I'll put up some pics today.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Haywire] 1
#27305292 - 05/12/21 06:53 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Haywire said: Spring, can't remember when I made the beds. a month or two ago.
Ah ok - Not sure what you are growing but in the case of Azures and Psilocybin Psilocybin Cyanescens, I know they don't fruit until fall but I'm guessing you know that and you are talking about other wood-lovers that fruit in spring.
Not wood lovers, but on the topic of outdoor beds, A month or two ago I had some indoor shoeboxes of cubes that refused to fruit so I scattered the substrate under a tree outside, forgot about it, and when I was doing yard work the other day, I found this. Looking forward to hopefully seeing some wood lovers popping up this fall too!
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Sorry to hear your stash is bad. By chance did you find them in an area that was mulched or had previously been mulched? I know on the west coast it's pretty common.
Plenty of commercial mulch makers use wood scraps like pallets, glued furniture cutoff, and a whole bunch of other treated woods that contain nasty chemicals. I know oysters can absorb these I bet woodlovers could too. I worked at a mulch plant and now won't even mulch my veggie garden with commercial wood.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Drboomer]
#27305423 - 05/12/21 08:50 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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The only chemicals mushrooms will bioaccumulate are heavy metals. However in many cases that's bad enough.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Adas]
#27307116 - 05/13/21 02:16 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Lagging behind you guys. No much free time recently, quite busy at work, made only one small outside bed last month that may not gonna make it through the summer cause not very shady. Anyway, these below are my ovoids, hopefully will make a bed this weekend, this time chose better shady place, behind and around a hazel. Also have some subaeruginosa, but they are way slower for some reason. Lost my azzies and alenii, so ovoids are my only hope, maybe next spring. The chips and sawdust used is freshly cut beech from a local source:
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Hindsight] 1
#27307166 - 05/13/21 03:14 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Haywire said: Spring, can't remember when I made the beds. a month or two ago.
Ah ok - Not sure what you are growing but in the case of Azures and Psilocybin Psilocybin Cyanescens, I know they don't fruit until fall but I'm guessing you know that and you are talking about other wood-lovers that fruit in spring.
Not wood lovers, but on the topic of outdoor beds, A month or two ago I had some indoor shoeboxes of cubes that refused to fruit so I scattered the substrate under a tree outside, forgot about it, and when I was doing yard work the other day, I found this. Looking forward to hopefully seeing some wood lovers popping up this fall too!

I've got a variety of beds: winecap, shaggy mane, oysters, king oysters, nameko, ovoid, subs, allenii, cyanescens, azurescens. and nothing is popping 
the allenii and subaeruginosa beds on which I had the slime mold are definitely dead. there's no healthy mycelium visible. luckily the ovoid and the azurescens are still alive.

from left to right: azur, ovoid, suba, allenii.
I inoculated the mulch too heavily with grain spawn, I think. maybe that's why the slime mold was so aggressive
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Haywire]
#27307193 - 05/13/21 03:33 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Interesting.... I would have thought more grain spawn = better.
The approach I took was grain spawn to Chips+HWFP in bins indoors at 76F until fully colonized, then put that outside mixed with fresh chips. This is my first attempt though so I'm no expert.
I like your bed location and how you used the dividers!
Are those hardwood or pine chips?
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Hindsight] 4
#27307283 - 05/13/21 04:51 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Got my azures to fruit in a wine fridge! Basically the trick was to let the substrate get pretty dry for a week or two, then dunk and chill again.

Will keep you all posted, exciting times
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: holofractal]
#27307296 - 05/13/21 05:04 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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That’s awesome, thank you for sharing.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: holofractal]
#27307311 - 05/13/21 05:13 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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holofractal said: Got my azures to fruit in a wine fridge! Basically the trick was to let the substrate get pretty dry for a week or two, then dunk and chill again.

Will keep you all posted, exciting times 
Wow very nice!!!!! Can you share any details on substrate, the amount of time you let it consolidate after it reached 100% consolidation, temp in the wine cooler, humidity, and time in the cooler before pin onset?
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Hindsight]
#27307591 - 05/13/21 10:27 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nice
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Hindsight] 1
#27307898 - 05/14/21 06:22 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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holofractal said: Got my azures to fruit in a wine fridge! Basically the trick was to let the substrate get pretty dry for a week or two, then dunk and chill again.

Will keep you all posted, exciting times 
Wow very nice!!!!! Can you share any details on substrate, the amount of time you let it consolidate after it reached 100% consolidation, temp in the wine cooler, humidity, and time in the cooler before pin onset?
Substrate is garden soil and pulverized alder pellets. It's been consolidated for quite some time actually, I've had this mycelium for months but then one day while shuffling around my projects in my wine fridge I accidentally left this out for a week or so, prob like 10 days. It was bone dry, amazing what these wood lovers can survive.
So after dunking and chilling, I saw pins in 2-3 weeks. I've done cyans with this method but that time I used outdoor mycelium and fruited it a few months early indoors, but more or less they experienced that same dry period just like they do in nature.
Humidity I am not controlling but I got a reptile fogger that's gonna be here tomorrow then I'll be boring a hole in the wine fridge to feed in the fogger. I'll take some pics when it's all finished. Else I'd be hand misting a few times a day.
I have the most amateur setup ever lol. I really am freehanding most of this shit. Mostly cus the data is so scattered and conflicting I tried to do things my own way based on some known facts of PNW actives.
So I would have to say during the vegetative state kinda anything goes. They will not fruit from vegetative state into cold conditions it seems, they (and probably all wood lovers in the PNW) need the dry period.
Which makes total sense. If you think, evolutionarily, the fungus wants to give its spores the best chance of success and time to develop. Here in the PNW, the onset of fall signals 6-8+ months of rain. So I think genetically, it waits for the dry period to trigger its circadian rhythm.
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