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The print is steadily decreasing :/
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Typerwritermonky
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Shroomhunts]
#27273600 - 03/28/21 07:22 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Shroomhunts said: If it's in direct sunlight then as mu h as possible but if it has good shade maybe once a week at most
Thanks for the answer, it's been like 10 days since it last rained, so it was probably 3-4 days too late. But the patch is in pretty much all shade, with light dappled sunlight for a few hours a day. I checked and the main layer was still moist, but the top started to dry out a good bit (the casing). Argh!! Hopefully they don't get too stunted, gave them a good soaking, and will do so every week.
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Typerwritermonky
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: elpico]
#27273601 - 03/28/21 07:23 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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elpico said: A hint of spring in the air:

Have you kept watering that home patch? Where in the world are you located?
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elpico
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This is actually an indoor ovoid project on straw, which got hit with trich. I buried the straw with some woodchips in the fall, and I've watered it as needed. I'm watering more regularly with the daily temps warming, and it's responding nicely.
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holofractal
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: elpico] 1
#27273890 - 03/29/21 01:57 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Got my allenii into 12qt of chips. A mix of alder, maple and cherry, 2:1 shredded to chunks.

First time I've seen straight green bruising, almost would have thought it was contamination. Poor mycelium getting all shaken up haha.
Out of all the species I've worked with, ovoid mycelium smells the most unique. Almost a floral aromatic scent. Allenii, cyan and azure smell the same, IMO.
Once this is 70-80% colonized it will go outside to an additional 12qt of assorted hardwood, maybe I'll keep a nice handful for indoor attempts, but my experience has led me to believe that the fungi need to go thru a dry/warm spell to trigger seasonal sensing, but that is only my guess. I had luck fruiting cyans in a wine fridge, paltry offerings, but fruits nonetheless. I took outdoor mycelium in late august/September and basically fruited it a bit early. Trying again with mycelium that has not yet been outdoors and it's taking awhile, but I am patient, both cyan and azure.
Also I noticed the dune grass straw I collected from an azurescens site at the coast was full of seeds, so I have transplanted them for another experiment, and in my landscape bed I would like to keep it free of invasive grass if possible. I got other flowers there.
But this led me to wonder if there really is a symbiotic relationship with Ammophila arenaria and azurescens. Someone I talked to mentioned sterilizing some seeds, germinating and placing in an azure petri dish and looking for bifurcation at the roots. The dune grasses aren't necessary, but it would be interesting to see what the results of that would be.

Check those damn roots out! Crazy.
Things are going well. I am very hopeful for the fall. Sheesh, with all the rain we get I swear I wouldn't be wishing for the fall to arrive so soon!
I am also trying clover on the borders of some of the patches / in the patches to see if the added nitrogen will affect fruit production.
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holofractal
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Typerwritermonky said: So for my outdoor bed, it's located maybe an 8 minute drive from it's original habitat. p. cyans and p. alleni (my patch is alleni) grow less then a mile from the new patch location, so I know the climate is fine.
My question is, if we don't have a period of much natural rain, how often should I water the patch? Thanks!
So, from my experience, we need some info. How much shade is on this , 100% shade, some sun or half and half? Especially in the summer any sun can really pull that moisture out and will stall growth.
Keeping things damp, but not soaking in the summer is ideal. I let weeds grow thru my cyan patch and then pulled all the weeds in mid/late August. Then I kept covered with wet cardboard and a tarp. I noticed that really helped to bring the mycelium to the surface, had mycelium all over the cardboard.
Since this is their natural habitat, how I like to think of things is "What would be an ideal summer for the fungi, but not out of the ordinary?" Remember, it survives just fine being baked in the summer, to an extent.
In short, I would treat it as if you had flowers there, like watering 1-2 times a week if you can. If it is full sun probably more, cus if it's 90 out all that water is going to evaporate in a few hours, at least an inch below the surface. You often find these near landscape beds with irrigation anyways.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: holofractal]
#27274681 - 03/29/21 03:49 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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I should say that strategic placement of an outdoor bed is key, you want shady area ideally with natural irrigation, burnout if you run the risk of flooding
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holofractal
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Shroomhunts] 1
#27275967 - 03/30/21 03:46 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Mycelium getting accustomed to new substrate.
Allenii
 Bluing receding nicely.
Subs
Good thing I label all these otherwise I'd loose track of which is which.
If you're in the PNW, Bi-Mart has really good prices on hardwood chips, and they sell them year round. ~$3.30 for 4Qt of Alder, Maple, Hickory, Apple, and Cherry, either fine shred, chunks or pellets. If someone knows of places to get yards of hardwood, let me know. I know the electric company gives out free wood chips, but in this area we have a lot of coniferous trees and I think the resin may cause issues with colonization unless they were decomposed a bit.
My little dune grass potted plant is doing alright. I mixed 4:1 soil and alder pellets and introduced some azure mycelium. Peeling back the top layer, the mycelium is really going at it. I will get a bigger pot and expand this little project.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: holofractal] 1
#27278203 - 04/22/21 02:03 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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cyans (yea in tub for now, once colonized will have options. )

Hope everyone is doing well.
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Hey, so glad to see we are back!
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Typerwritermonky
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: holofractal]
#27278689 - 04/22/21 10:37 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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holofractal said:
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Typerwritermonky said: So for my outdoor bed, it's located maybe an 8 minute drive from it's original habitat. p. cyans and p. alleni (my patch is alleni) grow less then a mile from the new patch location, so I know the climate is fine.
My question is, if we don't have a period of much natural rain, how often should I water the patch? Thanks!
So, from my experience, we need some info. How much shade is on this , 100% shade, some sun or half and half? Especially in the summer any sun can really pull that moisture out and will stall growth.
Keeping things damp, but not soaking in the summer is ideal. I let weeds grow thru my cyan patch and then pulled all the weeds in mid/late August. Then I kept covered with wet cardboard and a tarp. I noticed that really helped to bring the mycelium to the surface, had mycelium all over the cardboard.
Since this is their natural habitat, how I like to think of things is "What would be an ideal summer for the fungi, but not out of the ordinary?" Remember, it survives just fine being baked in the summer, to an extent.
In short, I would treat it as if you had flowers there, like watering 1-2 times a week if you can. If it is full sun probably more, cus if it's 90 out all that water is going to evaporate in a few hours, at least an inch below the surface. You often find these near landscape beds with irrigation anyways.
Definitely been considering this, thanks. And I've decided to put wet cardboard on top now starting tomorrow. But yeah it's been really dry here, we are entering a drought year. Between the extra alder wood and the cardboard I think I'll be good, just really hoping I get some fruits this year! This is all from a patch that fruited last year, I just transplanted it to a place it can grow more.
also feels good to be back!
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CHUCK.HNTR
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Anyone have any trouble with rodents? I think a rat has been digging up my myc! I can’t remember if the patch that is being dug up was spawned with grain but if so the critter might be finding grains that are not completely consumed yet.
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Adas
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: CHUCK.HNTR]
#27279086 - 04/23/21 09:21 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Chuck, my method to avoid curious animals is "secondary spawn". Basically, primary spawn is the colonized grain, then I spawn it to some sawdust. This not only gives more time to consume the grain (and make it smell less like grain), but also increases the volume of the mycelium. I then use this secondary spawn for outdoors. No problems with curious critters. Aside from squirrels occasionally, but these use vision, not smell, so I just tend to put a heavy-ish piece of wood on top of where I spawned.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Adas]
#27279106 - 04/23/21 09:40 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks Adas, might need to go with a plywood cover. If it was grain I used, it was definitely a secondary spawn but maybe they were still able to detect hints of grain, idk.
Only one of four beds has been effected but they dug up the strawberry plants I was trying to establish
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: CHUCK.HNTR]
#27279111 - 04/23/21 09:44 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yea then maybe the reason for digging was different, like wanting to make burrows somewhere where the soil was already disturbed. It sucks but what can ya do.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Adas] 2
#27279796 - 04/23/21 09:01 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm going to use chicken wire to cover the spawn at ground level. Transferred my azzies to sawdust, and some directly to woodchips a week ago so far they are taking nicely. Also T1 on agar going to rye in the near future. Can't wait to get these in the ground and start giving away spawn bags to all my friends. Hoping for a bountiful October.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: schmutzen] 1
#27279888 - 04/23/21 11:30 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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I just noticed these guys coming up in a patch I spread some P subaeruginosa spores over this time last year. They don't (to my super inexperienced eye) look much like subs though.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: goonwolf] 1
#27280174 - 04/24/21 08:11 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Maybe make an ID request on MH&I add a detail pic of the gills too. From the top they look like they could be: Leratiomyces ceres
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: CHUCK.HNTR]
#27280194 - 04/24/21 08:44 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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100% Leratiomyces ceres there goonwolf...
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: CHUCK.HNTR] 1
#27280201 - 04/24/21 08:54 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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My first wood lovers grow. Psilocybin Azurescens and Psilocybin Cyanescens. Went from spore prints taken near the Oregon coast to agar to grain (oats) and just today put the Azure grains to bins (Cyan grain jars weren't ready yet).
I did three, 15qt bins filled with a mix of pasteurized maple chips and pasteurized alder HWFP. One whole quart grain jar per bin.
Looking for input on my plan for next steps: I have no casing layer on any of the tubs now. Once the tubs fully colonize, I plan to put two of them into outdoor beds with more woodchips, and I will add a casing layer to the third tub (I guess of just peat+verm) and stick it in my wine cooler at 55 degrees with my grow light to see if I can't get it to fruit in there. I know the indoor attempt is very ambitious but I figure why not try?
I plan to do the exact same thing with the cyans once the grains are ready.
Any input would be appreciated!
Substrate and grains mixed in tub:

Three tubs colonizing:
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