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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: wxorx]
    #27178148 - 01/30/21 03:26 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

My first attempt at expanding ps. allenii to alder chips from stem butts...  any advice for a complete novice?  My plan is to transfer to outdoor beds in April, we’ll see how this goes!



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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: ReactBlack]
    #27178712 - 01/30/21 11:24 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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First post here to say hi to everyone..



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My first attempt at expanding ps. allenii to alder chips from stem butts...  any advice for a complete novice?  My plan is to transfer to outdoor beds in April, we’ll see how this goes!






welcome to the club, seems like you guys are doing fine!


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Haywire]
    #27180189 - 02/01/21 01:30 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Adas- wasn't it you just the other day that was talking about azzie myc eating/plowing over mold?  :biker:  Hardy indeed.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: alaskappalachian]
    #27180285 - 02/01/21 04:36 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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Adas- wasn't it you just the other day that was talking about azzie myc eating/plowing over mold?  :biker:  Hardy indeed.








I've been working on liquid culture inoculation of sawdust but have not been having the best results.
I get the mycelium to grow into the lC alright (baeocystis, subaeruginosa, semilanceata and azurescens).
When I inoculate the sawdust (tried both softwood pellets and beech), nothing grows.

Anyone has had some succes with this? for now, I'm just going to go back to LC to grains to sawdust.
also, baeocystis is still very slow for me on beech sawdust when inoculated with grain spawn.
Can anyone shed some light on this as well?

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Haywire]
    #27180532 - 02/01/21 08:49 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

I tried LC to wood about a year ago, I made a few quarts of ovoid LC, and poured it over naturescapes, which the ovoid loved from grain.  I did a whole quart to a shoebox and kind of strained the liquid out so that it wasn’t waterlogged, there was visible culture on the wood.  In the end, it didn’t work for me, I did see some really small spots of weak looking myc after about a month, but by that time I just spawned some grain to it.  Crazy how well my agar to sawdust is going compared to that experiment.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: alaskappalachian]
    #27180547 - 02/01/21 08:56 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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Adas- wasn't it you just the other day that was talking about azzie myc eating/plowing over mold?  :biker:  Hardy indeed.





Could have been me :laugh: They need to be hardy fuckers to survive among all the microorganisms!


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Adas]
    #27181191 - 02/01/21 03:08 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Guys, I can get quite cheap, ready made pre-sterilized bags with substrate made for P.ostreatus from a local mushroom cultivation company.
Not sure what it is made from, but wondered is this type of substrate is of any use with the woodlover psilocybes?
The bags are six kilos, they sterilize them in some huge industrial type monster sterilizer.
I guess I will need to make some liquid culture in order to inoculate the bag, but will they grow on it? Is this viable at all?


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: wxorx]
    #27182493 - 02/02/21 09:09 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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I tried LC to wood about a year ago, I made a few quarts of ovoid LC, and poured it over naturescapes, which the ovoid loved from grain.  I did a whole quart to a shoebox and kind of strained the liquid out so that it wasn’t waterlogged, there was visible culture on the wood.  In the end, it didn’t work for me, I did see some really small spots of weak looking myc after about a month, but by that time I just spawned some grain to it.  Crazy how well my agar to sawdust is going compared to that experiment.




thans for your input.
I'm not pursuing this any further.
LC to grain to sawdust from now on.

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Guys, I can get quite cheap, ready made pre-sterilized bags with substrate made for P.ostreatus from a local mushroom cultivation company.
Not sure what it is made from, but wondered is this type of substrate is of any use with the woodlover psilocybes?
The bags are six kilos, they sterilize them in some huge industrial type monster sterilizer.
I guess I will need to make some liquid culture in order to inoculate the bag, but will they grow on it? Is this viable at all?




why don't you try it out and let us know?
oyster mushrooms are white rot fungi, I don't know the preference of woodlovers.
If they're white rotters as well, then I don't think it'll work that well.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Haywire]
    #27182666 - 02/02/21 10:52 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

u need to get some proper hardwood pellets and should help :wink: alder works not sure about beech...


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: wxorx]
    #27182676 - 02/02/21 10:57 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

WROXR, you see one of the common themes in this thread lately has been how well wood loving psilocybes do on raw sawdust that hasn’t been pasteurized steamed boiled or autoclaved.  I don’t know how cheap your guy has them for, but a shroomery vendor has bags for 55¢ each, if there are hardwood sawmills in your area you can usually buy clean sawdust from them for “animals bedding”, the mill I worked at was like $10 a yard.  doing my experiments this winter the unpasteurized sawdust is going as fast, maybe a little faster, than the stuff I ran through a canner.  Spawning colonized grain to wood.
Haywire, my next thought would be mixing sawdust into the LC before sterilizing it.🤷🏼‍♂️


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Land Trout]
    #27182760 - 02/02/21 11:46 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

I use hardwood bricks, you just gotta leech all the Tannins out, and good to go for woodloving Psilocybes. But for gourmets you have to boil/sterilize it, or there's a high chance it will go green. It will go green anyway if the sawdust is just a BIT too wet but luckily that's not a factor with Azzies. They just dont give a fuck.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Adas]
    #27182869 - 02/02/21 12:55 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Hey guys,

Hoping one of you might be able to help.



I spawned this tub on the 22nd of jan, its been colonising nicely and has almost fully colonised but I've just noticed small 2 trich colonies growing independently from the myc.

So I've got two questions really
#1 I've heard woodworkers are hardier and I could potentially cut the trich out. Is this true?
#2 I don't think my spawn was at fault so I'm guessing the sawdust/shavings. I just soaked them, should I have sterilised them?
They're unsupplemented.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: The Dalcassian] * 1
    #27182920 - 02/02/21 01:24 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

why do you spawn in your bathroom of all places? you even have a sieve in the toilet bowl :lolsy:


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Land Trout]
    #27182922 - 02/02/21 01:25 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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Haywire, my next thought would be mixing sawdust into the LC before sterilizing it.🤷🏼‍♂️




yea, I tried that. I'm seeing growth now on my subaeruginosa blocks, nothing on the semilanceata.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: The Dalcassian]
    #27182923 - 02/02/21 01:25 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, as opposed to Cubes, here yu can cut the trich out in some instances. BUT to me your sub doesnt look very colonized yet, so it may or may not work. If not, you can always just dump it outside. It will recover eventually.

Sterilizing them wouldn't have helped because the Trich spores float around. Maybe soak them twice, discarding the water each time. That will deplete nutrients, as well as inhibitory materials (tannins). Thats the whole point of leeching your sawdust/chips.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Blazer420]
    #27182933 - 02/02/21 01:31 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Lol, probably should cropped that :rofl:
Nah that room doesn't get used. Most the time its got grains drying in the tub.
This time I'd chucked the sawdust in there the allow the excess water to run off before spawning. Its just convenient.

Adas that pic was mainly to show you the sawdust sub. Here's as best I could get of colonisation, tub is very condensed on top so photo is from the side



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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: The Dalcassian]
    #27183879 - 02/03/21 01:11 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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why don't you try it out and let us know?
oyster mushrooms are white rot fungi, I don't know the preference of woodlovers.
If they're white rotters as well, then I don't think it'll work that well.




Haywire, I will try, I just wondered if anyone else has already tried it and what was the outcome.
Just to clarify, I meant that the bag is sterilized and *NOT* inoculated with oysters -
just that they use that substrate to grow oysters commercially.
It looks to me that it contains some sawdust mixed with something else I don't know.
Also, it appears to have some coffee grounds too.

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WROXR, you see one of the common themes in this thread lately has been how well wood loving psilocybes do on raw sawdust that hasn’t been pasteurized steamed boiled or autoclaved.  I don’t know how cheap your guy has them for, but a shroomery vendor has bags for 55¢ each, if there are hardwood sawmills in your area you can usually buy clean sawdust from them for “animals bedding”, the mill I worked at was like $10 a yard.  doing my experiments this winter the unpasteurized sawdust is going as fast, maybe a little faster, than the stuff I ran through a canner.  Spawning colonized grain to wood.
Haywire, my next thought would be mixing sawdust into the LC before sterilizing it.🤷🏼‍♂️




Land Trout, sterilized substrate bags I can get for 0.5€/kg, smallest ones are 6kg, and they are locals, so no extra shipping costs.
Will have to check if I can find sawdust locally, I guess I can get some for experimenting.
Other than that this kind of fresh beech chips is what I plan to use once I get to it:


We have mixed oak and beech forests clearing nearby, and I got the chips directly from the company that runs it.
They produce fuel pellets, so I guess they will have sawdust too.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: wxorx]
    #27184129 - 02/03/21 08:18 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

That sounds perfect.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Land Trout]
    #27184356 - 02/03/21 11:25 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

So here's the aforementioned culprit, I'm probably just going to toss it but if anyone would chime in to help narrow down the contam vector that'd be helpful



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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: The Dalcassian]
    #27184362 - 02/03/21 11:27 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Yea that's way too much Trich. Toss outside.


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