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TheMadHatter420
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: moricz]
#24747026 - 10/30/17 07:44 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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moricz said: The finals... They looks beautifull
    
And the outdoor allenii beds are producing nice fruits too.

I got Ovoid stembuts from a very good member here (Thanx bytheway ) So they started to run on cardboard and I'll clone them onto agar to get mass production of spawning material. Hopefully this spring holds some ovoid fruits for me.

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@Mike O Voidenski, I totally agree, I haven't used wood pellets in a while but paper pellets certainly hold up to 80% water by dry weight. They are also airy, airy enough to bury mycelium 20cm (8 inches) below the surface, and get full substrate colonization.
I would also imagine chunks of bark, or a balsa like wood, would act as a wood loving vermiculite.
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moricz said: The finals... They looks beautifull
    
And the outdoor allenii beds are producing nice fruits too.

I got Ovoid stembuts from a very good member here (Thanx bytheway ) So they started to run on cardboard and I'll clone them onto agar to get mass production of spawning material. Hopefully this spring holds some ovoid fruits for me.

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Mike O Voidenski said: It is hickory from a bag of grilling wood chunks.
I tried this myself with a cyan and an azure patch. I mixed in several large birch woods chunks with the sawdust/woodchip/dowel mix. theory being if the myc network latches onto these logs, it provides a long food source from which the etire top of the mat consumes? I also layered myc along tree bases and roots to try and get a natural symbiotic thang going, but there's no good way to verify that is working.
I had an animal disturb one of my patches, flipping a 4"x2"x3" birch chunk and the underside was completely colonized, so that's a good sign.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: moricz]
#24747120 - 10/30/17 08:30 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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moricz said: The finals... They looks beautifull
    
And the outdoor allenii beds are producing nice fruits too.

I got Ovoid stembuts from a very good member here (Thanx bytheway ) So they started to run on cardboard and I'll clone them onto agar to get mass production of spawning material. Hopefully this spring holds some ovoid fruits for me.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: johanelic] 2
#24747378 - 10/30/17 10:33 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mike O Voidenski said: It is hickory from a bag of grilling wood chunks.
I tried this myself with a cyan and an azure patch. I mixed in several large birch woods chunks with the sawdust/woodchip/dowel mix. theory being if the myc network latches onto these logs, it provides a long food source from which the etire top of the mat consumes? I also layered myc along tree bases and roots to try and get a natural symbiotic thang going, but there's no good way to verify that is working.
I had an animal disturb one of my patches, flipping a 4"x2"x3" birch chunk and the underside was completely colonized, so that's a good sign.
You should try colonizing a part soil substrate in a flower pot along with some of these tree saplings. I'm doing this w my ovoid and am planning on cracking the substrate open in the spring to investigate the root systems.
It appears to me that a 50/50 mix containing high quality gardening soil along with wood (I'm using the sawdust described above) and some gyp is colonizable. The mix definitely needs improved upon but it is colonizing.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: hamloaf] 1
#24747430 - 10/30/17 11:03 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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moricz said: The finals... They looks beautifull
    
And the outdoor allenii beds are producing nice fruits too.

I got Ovoid stembuts from a very good member here (Thanx bytheway ) So they started to run on cardboard and I'll clone them onto agar to get mass production of spawning material. Hopefully this spring holds some ovoid fruits for me.

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In an attempt to uncover the secret key to woodlover pin setting I think we should brainstorm over a list of potential triggers and also a list of items that can be rationally ruled out as triggers (or more correctly, major pinning triggers).
List 1: This list of possible pinning triggers should contain things that are likely occurring outdoors but not part of the current standard indoor grow.
Bacteria) It has been suggested by other members that it may play a roll but it is probably not the "major" pinning trigger that everyone is hoping for.
FAE) There is constant FAE occurring outdoors.
Humidity Wicking) This may not be the best term for this phenomena but idk how else to describe it but I am talking about the process of air molecules squeezing water vapor out of the atmosphere as temperatures drop and also allowing that same water vapor to evaporate back up as temperatures rise.
Tannins) Could it be that tannins and other nutritious type things are leaching out of leaf litter and other things that stimulate pinning?
An unknown hormone or signal released by living plants) I believe this like the bacteria situation could be a lesser trigger but there are successful indoor grows involving transplanted myc that fruited in the absence of live vegetation.
List 2: This list should contain things that can rationally be ruled out as major pinning triggers. Not to suggest that the classic things aren't major but these lists are to identify the missing keys, not known keys. I suggest this list should pretty much contain anything and or everything that exists in the standard indoor grow operation to help better identify what it is that we are missing.
The secret key is probably not
Temperature) we know most if not all of these woodloving fungi fruit at temperate temperatures. Can anyone offer information that suggests that better handling temperature is the secret key?
Substrate) please correct this if it is inaccurate but most woodlovers will colonize a wide variety of wood and cellulose material. Can anyone offer information that suggests that a more ideal substrate is the secret key?
Humidity) we already know that near 100% humidity is required
Light) we already know light is a major pinning trigger but not the secret unidentified key trigger.
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probably easily findable info but anyways i'm asking here for discussion as well
at what point should cyans be harvested?
how long does it take cyans to mature?
GGMM says fruitbody development is 10-20 days i believe unless i'm mistaken for azures
there was a few caps which had some sort of black, idk if its some infection or maybe it got damaged and bruised dark?
any worries about consuming outdoor fruits? if its some sort of bacterial infection is drying them enough or should i toss any bad ones?
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Have these two ps Azurescens tubs that are well colonized, and the weather in my region is now becoming just right for the fruiting of these tubs outdoors at night.

Question is when do you guys think that these tubs should be cased? The plan is to case them with about two inches of pasteurized potting soil, and plant alfalfa seeds in the casing.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: hamloaf] 1
#24747777 - 10/30/17 02:07 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: catnip40]
#24747794 - 10/30/17 02:12 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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wow love the shape of those caps.
Cyan?
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: tombosley8]
#24747814 - 10/30/17 02:19 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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tombosley8 said: wow love the shape of those caps.
Cyan?
yep cyans
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: catnip40] 1
#24747847 - 10/30/17 02:34 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ham, maybe leave one uncased. I added chopped straw to my azzies and there still trying to recover? Un explored territory.   
it appears M's tubs are uncased. (In basement though)
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TheMadHatter420
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I would think maybe shredded leaves as a casing. Yea they will consume it but it they will break it down into compost.
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Thanks for the tips, fellaz. I'll leave one uncased. The casing theory I have come up with is from PsiloPsychin's Alenii grow.
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Recent fruiting that started last week on a bed of mixed wood shavings (animal bedding) over solid cardboard & inoculated shredded cardboard paper. A light layer of heavier chips is on top with the theory that it might help with water retention in summer months better than the shreds alone.
Incidentally, the wood shavings colonized very quickly, much faster & more thoroughly than a similar bed that was almost all larger chips (which still isn't fruiting).
The bed was laid mid april.
One question -- the first two clusters to pop in this particular bed both seemed to abort fairly early -- growth just stopped, caps didn't open, and the caps developed a darker ring around the outside edge (see top picture, the mushrooms that are more in the background for an example -- those popped up a week earlier than the ones in the foreground, and haven't seemed to grow any in a few days).
The clusters that popped a few days later all seem to be growing normally.
This is my first attempt at growing a woodlover! No mega-canopies but about 7 dense clusters like this so far, enough to make me happy with my first go.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: hamloaf] 3
#24748009 - 10/30/17 04:10 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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hamloaf said: Have these two ps Azurescens tubs that are well colonized, and the weather in my region is now becoming just right for the fruiting of these tubs outdoors at night.

Question is when do you guys think that these tubs should be cased? The plan is to case them with about two inches of pasteurized potting soil, and plant alfalfa seeds in the casing.
I think I have some info for you...
I think one and a half month before pins are showed. So july-august, then the mycelium chew trough the casing (some tubs with bucketted coir, and some with untreated orchidea dirt with peat and gypsum, coir is the best because it does not start to mudding when too wet) after they go through and there is no food for the mycelium upward, they fall back into a safe humid region, and that is when you have to change the temps (not more than 18C° at all) and possibly the light hours (6 on 18 off) and pins starting. These variables happened in the cellar, after that I saw pins in a week. (If ya want check my woodlover journal)
Cyan pins in coir:
 
Cyans uncased:
 
I start to think cyans need lower temps to mature because they aborting now. The same happened last year, and when the cellar temps dropped down to 10-14 C° they matured more. Here you can see the aborts and the matured ones, but have to note, that is an MS grow, now only have clones down there.

To the list and with my observation:
Allenii is so much easier just make tubs, let them consolidate for a month above 22 C°, then drop the temps down to 17 C° and spray them well.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: moricz] 2
#24748044 - 10/30/17 04:27 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Pinning, my interpretation:
Medium-High O2: Surface, and many other reasons. Temperature: Biological rate vs water loss. Humidity: Fruit bodies supported.
Light: Catalyze materials.
Materials leeching: Alter the C:N ratio, add nutrients, lower the pH. Wood ash, from fire: The same as above, but increases pH.
Increasing the pH causes some materials to decay.
Edit: Forgot to mention ash is full of oxides.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: moricz]
#24748178 - 10/30/17 05:17 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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moricz said:
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hamloaf said: Have these two ps Azurescens tubs that are well colonized, and the weather in my region is now becoming just right for the fruiting of these tubs outdoors at night.

Question is when do you guys think that these tubs should be cased? The plan is to case them with about two inches of pasteurized potting soil, and plant alfalfa seeds in the casing.
I think I have some info for you...
I think one and a half month before pins are showed. So july-august, then the mycelium chew trough the casing (some tubs with bucketted coir, and some with untreated orchidea dirt with peat and gypsum, coir is the best because it does not start to mudding when too wet) after they go through and there is no food for the mycelium upward, they fall back into a safe humid region, and that is when you have to change the temps (not more than 18C° at all) and possibly the light hours (6 on 18 off) and pins starting. These variables happened in the cellar, after that I saw pins in a week. (If ya want check my woodlover journal)
Cyan pins in coir:
 
Cyans uncased:
 
I start to think cyans need lower temps to mature because they aborting now. The same happened last year, and when the cellar temps dropped down to 10-14 C° they matured more. Here you can see the aborts and the matured ones, but have to note, that is an MS grow, now only have clones down there.

To the list and with my observation:
Allenii is so much easier just make tubs, let them consolidate for a month above 22 C°, then drop the temps down to 17 C° and spray them well.

Thanks Moricz!  I am out and about right now p, but when I return home I will study the information you have provided. I actually have some fully colonized Cyanofriscosa spawn on woodchips that will need to be patched/tubbed.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: hamloaf]
#24748399 - 10/30/17 07:17 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Can i ask why you still call them that? Also no capitol on genus
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