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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mike O Voidenski]
    #24745921 - 10/29/17 04:34 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

That's cool, Mike! Do I see corectly that the myc has penetrated into the log decently? :smile: How long was it being colonized if you remember?

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mike O Voidenski]
    #24745957 - 10/29/17 04:48 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

Very cool, like layers of card, is that wood soft and pull-break apart?
I can see it has been kept very hydrated for a long time.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Ferather] * 2
    #24745970 - 10/29/17 04:57 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

This is some good shit we got going right here boys! One hell of a lesson tonight, lol.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Adas] * 2
    #24745980 - 10/29/17 05:02 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

It is hickory from a bag of grilling wood chunks. I collected ovoid myc in mid April. By mid May I had the myc separated and colonizing into different cultures. This hickory sat on top of triple shread mulch that was being colonized. I have a live bed of moss living around the same site where this hickory sat and I started to get surface colonization. I feel that the live moss and the myc are benefiting each other. I think the moss helped hold moisture at the bottom of the hickory that allowed for this colonization. My best guess is that it is near 5 months old. IMO if I had realized what was going on I may have been able to induced much more interior colonization of the hickory by keeping it wetter than just sitting on top of moss covered mulch.

Yes, it appears that the myc penetrated the hickory.

The penetration only happened on the one side shown. There was no notable penetration at the location of the other split not detailed above.

Previous to the split I soaked the hickory in tap water. The side where the penetration occurred sunk the lowest in the water. I imagine w much more interior colonization that the whole chunk of wood may have started to loose it's buoyancy. It bairly floated above the waterline.

EDIT: I used a chisel at the first split that went pretty much down the center where there was no real penetration present but when I struck the chisel the hickory split at the second site all by its self with no effort where I have things opened up an shown. I know it looks like it's been kept super wet. The tub this hickory came from has received a considerable amount of water. Enough that mulch no longer looks new. But the hickory literally just sat on top. It got soaked in water for about 30 minutes prior to splitting.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mike O Voidenski]
    #24746009 - 10/29/17 05:17 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

Very interesting. I have some ideas in my head to try if I ever get some ovoid mycelium. I want to drill holes long ways down a thick chunk of wood so to give the mycelium path ways to shoot through the wood and hopefully colonize out from the "tunnels" that I would drill in it. I also wasn't to put the solid block to the test like the one dude supposedly did. So many fun and interesting things to toy around with.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: TheMadHatter420]
    #24746023 - 10/29/17 05:26 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

So it penetrated where it was more softer, would you say that area is spongy?


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Ferather]
    #24746028 - 10/29/17 05:29 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

But what if it made that part softer by decomposing/digesting it?


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: TheMadHatter420]
    #24746037 - 10/29/17 05:33 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

That can be one of the reasons, there is also water erosion and weathering.
Really weathered wood can fall to dust and is very light when dry.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Ferather]
    #24746048 - 10/29/17 05:35 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

So much to take into account. Lots of trials need to be ran to learn more.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: TheMadHatter420]
    #24746055 - 10/29/17 05:37 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

Indeed, I think it's like wooden vermiculite in this case, loose, spongy, airy and damp.
Regardless, it did what it did, and the dry solid areas where more avoided.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Ferather] * 1
    #24746143 - 10/29/17 06:25 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

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Very interesting. I have some ideas in my head to try if I ever get some ovoid mycelium. I want to drill holes long ways down a thick chunk of wood so to give the mycelium path ways to shoot through the wood and hopefully colonize out from the "tunnels" that I would drill in it. I also wasn't to put the solid block to the test like the one dude supposedly did. So many fun and interesting things to toy around with.




"Like the one dude", yeah I know the thread you are speaking of. Using that info + my observations I'm thinking ovoid mycelium likes to be inside of whatever it is colonizing. I agree, in s way it's neat that a lot of this stuff is undocumented/unexplored.



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So it penetrated where it was more softer, would you say that area is spongy?




It was softer than normal hickory but it was not soft and spongy. It was firm. I think it would get very soft and spongy if it had more colonization time. The wood I originally collected was very soft and spongy.

I was able to notice the hickory change a little over the months. At first it was very uniform clean wood. After a while I could see wetter areas that would get darker and remain wetter longer. In the photos earlier on in this thread I posted about this same hickory at a week w/o water, 30 minutes after water, and 5 hours after water. In those photos you can see lighter streaks that almost appear like very wispy myc colonizing as it follows evaporating vapors....? It is very obvious to me that the myc has a process to soften the wood for entry. At first there was a sort of trich looking whispy myc and as it matures the myc would thicken and become rhizomorphic.

EDIT: you can see the streaks I'm describing in the first photo above. There are two sort of parallel whitish lines going vertically up toward the center peak.



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Indeed, I think it's like wooden vermiculite in this case, loose, spongy, airy and damp.
Regardless, it did what it did, and the dry solid areas where more avoided.




I'm totally into the swap verm out for wood in the woodloving grow situation. I think it has huge potential if we can work a few things out. I filled a tupperware container full of mature ovoid colonized wood that I originally collected and then filled that full of water and 30 minutes later the wood had absorbed 100% of the water in the tupperware.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mike O Voidenski]
    #24746351 - 10/29/17 08:08 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

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To my knowledge it's not even known whether woodloving Psilocybes even penetrate into solid wood blocks or not. I have seen one thread where a guy put Ovoid myc on some Willow wooden cube and the myc appeared on the other side, but my experiments with Cyans and Ovoids indicate that they don't actually penetrate into the wood.

Any more insight on this topic would be really valuable.




I will split the hickory chunk in this photo and maybe it will help us get to the bottom of it.



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IME sawdust and pellets get to dense. Wood lovers will jump to wood straight from grain. Even mixing small pieces of wood in your grain prep, you can see the mycilium jumping to the wood bypassing grains all together.

If your trying to make cakes, try going from grain jars to wood same time as moving to outdoors.

I personally call them Loafs! I didn't try fruiting from loafs. Theres a thread about "Myc Hearts" thats a pretty good read.

I would also like to add that i am not much of a cultivator, more of "Just try some shit" type of person. If you think about it there is really nothing to lose. You can always start again. 







I'm not trying to be a smart ass but if sawdust gets too dense, how is a solid block of wood not too dense?


EDIT: trying to look up the myc hearts thread you described but the search function is bringing up too many pages to search through. You got a year the thread was created or the OP's name or anything to help me out?




I am not understanding the solid block of wood reference? I was referring to wood chips/chunks rather than saw dust.

psylosymonreturns:
This is the user name of who wrote about myc hearts. I couldn't find the thread outlining his tek either. I will look again when i have a chance.




Your comment about sawdust and paper pellets being too dense confuses me. I'm just trying to keep up w your thought process.

My questioning is that if a manufactured wooden based substrate (artificial log) would contain material that is too dense for the myc to penetrate/colonize, how does it colonize solid chunks of wood?

It seems to me that an ideal artificial substrate could be manufactured that could contain more ideal colonization and fruiting conditions than just straight up wood chips.

I realize this may take quite a bit of experimenting but like you mentioned earlier. What's to loose? Seems like a lot could be gained if people would unite and travel down this road.



EDIT: re reading that I see that I still may not be clear. If a artificial log was created from sawdust that is too dense for the mycelium to penetrate, how is a solid log not too dense? Were you referring to the use of these pellets in compressed form?

I have been hydrating my pellets to form a saw dust.


..... Somehow I quoted and responded to you without even noticing everything you posted brother. Somehow I missed -
"I am not understanding the solid block of wood reference? I was referring to wood chips/chunks rather than saw dust."
It seems we were talking about different things and I didn't realize it. Guess I need to slow down, lol.

Thanks for the help




I am no expert at this but have messed around with woodlovers a fair amount. From my experience in cultivating them and picking them is the main thing is FAE. most places these grow in the wild are near large water sources. Most of the time when you are close to large water sources there is wind. The Pugget sound in fall is typically wet , humid, cool and consistently breezy in the fall.(prime fruiting time for woodlovers). That being said if you make a substrate that cannot breathe woodlovers will not do well. The want an airy substrate that retains moisture. I have seen first hand if you bury myc to deep with out being able  to get good fae the myc will die off. My opinion that 3"-4" inches is ideal. This being said I don't think pellets or saw dust is ideal for woodlovers.

I think there is truth to ferathers post before the post I quoted about oxygen. They really do seem to prefer wood chips with a micro climate that still allows massive amounts of fae.

I am starting to think they also prefer fresh wood chips as opposed to  ones that have decayed. Still not positive about this but it seems my projects prefer fresh wood chips. If anyone has input about this I would love to hear your thoughts.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: molemole] * 1
    #24746451 - 10/29/17 08:54 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

That block of hickory was literally brand new right out of the bag fresh the day it was placed on top of the mulch. I would say the myc did not care that it was new wood.

I agree that a substrate that is too dense would be bad.

I also agree that it's likely all about FAE. I think heavier evaporation rates than are typical for standard indoor grows is also a pretty big factor limiting things. I have a theory about it that is the driving inspiration behind the alternative fruiting chambers I described earlier.

Basically there is a lot going on outside on a 24 hour cycle involving evaporation and humidity that most if not all indoor growers are ignoring. When evening comes and the temperature drops the molecules in the air come closer together and squeeze a lot of water vapor out of the air. This vapor falls to the ground and rehydrated things every night. This is where morning dew comes from. Then in the morning when the temperature rises the molecules in the air expand again allowing all that water vapor that was squeezed out the night before to evaporate back up into the atmosphere. Air that is warm holds a lot more water vapor than air that is cool.

I believe that if I can build a chamber that can experience constant heavy FAE and evaporation capitalizing on these temperature differences that something new might happen.... Or it will be an incredibly huge waste of time and I won't write about it much, lol.


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    #24746460 - 10/29/17 09:03 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

The location I collected myc from had mushies coming out of some pretty large pieces of wood.


EDIT: This picture all the way to the right was a log that was more than 12 inches in diameter and 15 or 20 feet long.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: molemole] * 4
    #24746503 - 10/29/17 09:25 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

Catnip. all your worries for nothing. Good job. God shit Mike. Reminds me of a thing my mom did. She put ice on a pie plate and added heat bellow to demonstrate how moisture in the air works.
I have observed more competing things come along with older chips. Fresh chips seem to work better. Chipped or chopped as soon as the tree is felled provides it's own moister. Standing dead from girdling requires a soaking after chipped or chopped. In my climate(PNW) once your bed is established watering not required. even if appears dry on top.
  Also, most fruits i have seen occurs on the surface of wood that hasn't been broke down. Minimal amounts of Myc as well.

  I have always been amazed at how fast mycilium can turn your perfect substrate into nice yet not useful for dirt.(Not useful for Mushroom fruits.) Mycilium does a great job at it's job. 



I have a picture somewhere of a patch in my yard where i cut out the side and you can see the layers of the break down stage. it's pretty cool. I will find it for sure.
  As far as the Myc heart thread i gave up the search. It basically talked about leaving the mycilium in one whole chunk when spawning to outdoors rather than crumbling into the new substrate. It produced first year fruits more consistently when doing it this way. According to the thread OP.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: NothingsChanged] * 8
    #24746725 - 10/29/17 11:59 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

The finals... They looks beautifull


And the outdoor allenii beds are producing nice fruits too.


I got Ovoid stembuts from a very good member here (Thanx bytheway :smile: ) So they started to run on cardboard and I'll clone them onto agar to get mass production of spawning material. Hopefully this spring holds some ovoid fruits for me.


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    #24746850 - 10/30/17 04:24 AM (6 years, 6 months ago)

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Those do look beautiful, good job.


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    #24746934 - 10/30/17 06:16 AM (6 years, 6 months ago)

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The location I collected myc from had mushies coming out of some pretty large pieces of wood.


EDIT: This picture all the way to the right was a log that was more than 12 inches in diameter and 15 or 20 feet long.




Beautiful Ovoids! I love the black cap phenotype. Also, notice these pieces of wood are partly decayed which makes them more porous = better gas exchange.

Stevo, these Gyms look cool! What species is it exactly? You seriously made an outdoor Tampanensis patch? Is tampanensis a woodlover? O.o :breakthrough:

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Adas]
    #24747024 - 10/30/17 07:43 AM (6 years, 6 months ago)

Mike o in regards to youre post about evaporation theory. There is theory I have about triggering pinning in woodlovers. With cubes I know light is a secondary pinning trigger. But I can't help to notice the swing in day length it triggers many animals, plants and fish in the north west. I cant help but wonder if this also trivgers mushrooms to fruit in this area.


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