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cronicr



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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Germs]
#24741644 - 10/27/17 03:48 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Roughly 40 % so i put two cups of grain and just under a cup of water
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: cronicr] 2
#24741649 - 10/27/17 03:51 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Cool deal, will have to give that a shot

Looks like I got some clean and organized growth the first transfers in for these two species
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Germs]
#24741696 - 10/27/17 04:06 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah bucket would work way better for the steeping for large amounts of grain
I have 4 big ass pots I use for grain so there is plenty of room for both water and grain.
But if all you have is a small pot or two then fill it with water, boil, and dump into bucket and then grain.
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tombosley8 said: And I don't exactly boil my grains
I boil water, remove pot from stove, and add grain. Let that steep for 30 min and drain.rinse with cold and let drain for 30.
easiest most reliable and exact method imo. You may have to adjust that steeping time per grain but that's it
Me too i basically bucket tek my grain except millet i just add water n go
I’ve seen you say that before and am curious to try it, how much water do you put per qt?
Think I'll try the millet thing too pretty soon. Can bags of millet be done that way?
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: tombosley8]
#24741702 - 10/27/17 04:09 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yep
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: tombosley8]
#24741704 - 10/27/17 04:10 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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I do my oats or wbs like that too tom. I dont rinse though but it can't hurt.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: eatyualive]
#24741733 - 10/27/17 04:22 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Ferather]
#24741774 - 10/27/17 04:45 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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I will have to go back to steeping instead of boiling. I used to just boil the water, shut it off, dump grains in and let set. I think I was probably letting set to long so I will have to try 30 min steep.
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That could be it.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: eatyualive]
#24741784 - 10/27/17 04:51 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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I had followed bods oat tek that said boil for like 30 min or soak for like 45, at least I am fairly sure that's what it had said. I rarely had burst grains, but it was probably to much moisture content.
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Yeah I don't boil over 25. And I put it to a rolling boil when the boil begins. Not a hard boil. Sometimes you have to adjust times. I've found with the latest brand of grain I get I use less time than normal.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: eatyualive] 3
#24741954 - 10/27/17 06:51 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Just some pics of a massive Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata patch.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: TactiCool]
#24741968 - 10/27/17 06:58 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well put cyan, sub, quebec, ovoid, and lib spores to agar tonight. Took my 1st transfers from my serbica germination plate. I don't think lib counts as wood lover, but hey they are worth a mention. I hope I get one of each to germinate. I used swabs and did 2 plates of each this time, but I am not holding my breath on the ovoid.
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TheMadHatter420 said: Not going to lie. I have had some issues getting oats right. I had also made the mistake of rinsing my oats in cool water, after boiling, to try to cool them down. I was thinking with a cooking mindset, not a mycology mind set. Since I have read that dumping them out and letting them steam dries them off far better. The best oats I had done were some I let dry in front of a fan.
Still I am curious about using fuel pellets and much to make a block of sort. One big ass wood lover cake. lol.
A guy named Rush Wayne came out w a manual near 20 years ago that has some decent pellet fuel information. I have volume 1 and 2 on file somewhere and will try to upload if I can find them. RW was experimenting w peroxide which is not recommended but IMO his pellet fuel info is decent.
I am experimenting w pellet fuel right now trying to come up with an ideal woodlover cake recipe. That's why I started when Ferather posted all that info on wood carbon and nitrogen content along with various dung and urine NPK info. With a little bit of time and luck I'm hoping to be able to come up w a real nice PF style sawdust cake that could be used to make quick and easy woodlover beds.
 This stuff is for smoking. It is mostly oak but contains a significant amount of hickory. Regular pellet fuel for wood stoves is pine. There is also a feline pine (kitty litter) I have tried. I actually had used the feline pine to grow spawn for oysters and azur. I was renting at the time and didn't end up sticking around to see the azurescens fruit. But the supplamented feline pine/oyster spawn to pasteurized wheat straw worked sweet! I also discovered using Wayne's peroxide tek to supplemented feline pine works for cubensi spawn. It took a long ass time to colonize but sure enough when it was spawned to pasteurized wheat straw it fruited cubensi. It was hot AF outside so the fruit quality of the cubensi was poor but it worked.
I could be wrong on this but I think cubensi is closer related to ovoideocysdiata than any other mushroom. So it makes sense to me that cubensi could be forced into colonizing wood. I believe there are even cubensi mulch bed threads.
Anyway...
 I came up w this. It is the HW pellets pictured above. Then I hydrated slightly (only enough to make the pellets turn to sawdust). After that I mixed in spent coffee grounds and gypsum at roughly 10%, then attempted to bring it up to field compactly. It took a couple times of checking andding more water over about a half hour or so. Then I cut it 50/50 w dry verm and then readjusted to field capacity. Leap off growth is present in my outdoor cultures w this mix but growth is slow. I'm thinking back to RW's tek and he had me using lime to bring up the ph and adding powdered milk for nitrogen. This recipe didn't get any lime or nitrogen suementation. After reading Ferather's info about oak ph I have decided to make a new batch with lime (calcium carbonate) to bring up the ph. I also added some cellulose animal bedding this time and the stuff looks sweet. It's almost like very clean rotted wood. No photo yet. I will post more about it when I get it right.
EDIT: The mix may benefit from some small chunks of smoking chips to provide a slightly larger particle size. The mix might also benefit from some BRF or rye flour or something to help things cake up but then colonization would have to be done in a jar. At this time all my projects are outdoors and open air.
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Very interesting, I hope all goes well. I know the biggest hurdle is the fact that many of these fruit at low temps. I would love to have a big walk in cooler, like used in a restaurant. Fit it with some air exchange and set temp where you need it.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: TactiCool]
#24742153 - 10/27/17 08:18 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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1Noob said: Just some pics of a massive Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata patch.

That cluster on the log is a classic
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: TheDuder]
#24742260 - 10/27/17 09:04 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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ill sub here just for the porn. thanks for the thread duder.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Munchauzen] 3
#24742688 - 10/28/17 03:46 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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IME sawdust and pellets get to dense. Wood lovers will jump to wood straight from grain. Even mixing small pieces of wood in your grain prep, you can see the mycilium jumping to the wood bypassing grains all together.
If your trying to make cakes, try going from grain jars to wood same time as moving to outdoors.
I personally call them Loafs! I didn't try fruiting from loafs. Theres a thread about "Myc Hearts" thats a pretty good read.
I would also like to add that i am not much of a cultivator, more of "Just try some shit" type of person. If you think about it there is really nothing to lose. You can always start again.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Munchauzen]
#24742705 - 10/28/17 04:19 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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A walk in cooler would be pretty expensive.
I think it would be easier and more affordable to build a mono tub or something w tubeing built in that could circulate refrigerated fluid through or around the substrate to keep temps near 40F right at the surface of the substrate. That would allow the air temp in the chamber to be slightly warmer and less humid than the substrate (typical for outdoors) and then the ambient air in the grow room would be again even slightly warmer and less humid than the air in the tub.
Another chamber that might better mimic outdoors that I'm thinking about would work similar to an industrial cooling tower.
I'm thinking of a tower type chamber that has a humidifier at the bottom with a pool of water inside of a trash can or something. Near the top of the trash can would be a layer of mesh material to soak up the water particles/vapors. This mesh material would then wick up moisture so experimentation will be required to establish proper mesh thickness so the upper surface of the mesh would be near field capacity. This elevation would ideally be level or just below the rim of the trash can. (This would be a good location for that refrigerated fluid if it were to be used in this chamber). Above that you would place your cakes or trays and then cap it with an inverted clear plastic tub. At the top of this inverted tub would be a bathroom fan attached that would only circulate air and not be for the purpose of air evacuation. Using the fan to evacuate the air may work and would more closely be like a real industrial cooling tower but I suspect it may be overkill. Around the top perimeter of the inverted tub would be a series of holes for the purpose of FAE. This cooling tower type chamber would allow constant and heavy evaporation rates but still keep humidity at or near 100% at the substrate surface.
The ambient air in the room would need to be a little warmer than the air in the chamber. This temperature differential would cause the air inside the chamber to be more humid than the ambient air in the grow room. It would work similar to the processes that makes a SGFC work.
It's all a theory right now but by the spring time I hope to be experimenting with chambers like these. Growing mushrooms is part science and part art but it is not magic..... Maybe we just need to figure out how to build chambers that better mimic the outdoors.
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NothingsChanged said: IME sawdust and pellets get to dense. Wood lovers will jump to wood straight from grain. Even mixing small pieces of wood in your grain prep, you can see the mycilium jumping to the wood bypassing grains all together.
If your trying to make cakes, try going from grain jars to wood same time as moving to outdoors.
I personally call them Loafs! I didn't try fruiting from loafs. Theres a thread about "Myc Hearts" thats a pretty good read.
I would also like to add that i am not much of a cultivator, more of "Just try some shit" type of person. If you think about it there is really nothing to lose. You can always start again.



I'm not trying to be a smart ass but if sawdust gets too dense, how is a solid block of wood not too dense?
EDIT: trying to look up the myc hearts thread you described but the search function is bringing up too many pages to search through. You got a year the thread was created or the OP's name or anything to help me out?
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