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Re: Paper potential [Re: Psilosopherr] * 1
    #25776289 - 01/29/19 09:17 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

That's great, except the most success I've had with wood lovers came from using "sterile" plates in LI directly to (fresh) chip beds outside.

Stem butts have a far lower success rate for me.

My experience is obviously anecdotal, but so is yours :wink:


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anybody ever tried putting spores in bar/chain oil to inoculate logs with a chainsaw like in that stamets book?

In one of the few posts on the forums on the subject RR points out that apparently bar oil gets up to pasteurization temps due to heat from the engine




The heat from the engine wouldn't get all the oil up to pasteurization temps unless you were running that saw all damn day long. The friction from the cutting and the chain on the bar would be the primary source of heat, and I doubt even that would heat all the oil sufficiently.

I just hate dealing with bar oil period, so when I did tree work I would just spray some LI or spores into the chipper when we were grinding broad-leaf deciduous trees.  Given that we almost never went back to the work sites twice, I never saw if any took.  I'm willing to bet they did though.


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Re: Paper potential [Re: nube424]
    #25776365 - 01/29/19 10:01 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

People do that here, and it works great.

I was throwing things into the chipper because throwing things into the chipper is fun.  It'll eat through anything you find on the side of the road that doesn't have metal in it.  Old teddy bear, phone book, maga hat.  I've seen all turned to mulch.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Solipsis] * 1
    #25798938 - 02/08/19 09:11 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

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I'm pasteurizing sawdust right now to inoculate Azure cardboard spawn..

Since I heard that azures / cyans can take like 2-3 years to fruit outdoors I might keep a tub of azure myc indoors for a year before making a bed or balcony patch i think.






Uhh, it should never take more than a year if you're supplying the right conditions.  Make a chip bed outdoors in the spring, inoculate the holy hell out of it, keep it well watered over summer into fall.

Mushrooms.

I don't understand the great lengths and multiple steps a lot of you are taking to get these guys to take outside.  It isn't that complicated, it really isn't.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Seeker2be] * 1
    #25799399 - 02/08/19 01:26 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

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Since I had failures in the past with multiple outside and tote grows. (I just dug down mixed wood chips and colonized chips spawn in layers.)  I got green grey mold even in my Stropharia patches after one year but no fruiting of exotics.)  I went back to the wood lovers community grow on topia for the basics and also read the entire blog here on the schroomery, where the emphasis seems to be on container grows.  Anyway, on topia there in the first two pages is a layering method that is said to produce in the first year. Dig a 6in deep square Put down cardboard with punch holes, then colonized woodchips then pasteurized wood chips then some sawdust ( think some HWFP would work since they are pasteurized) then straw then potting soil and repeat then cover with potting soil and perhaps straw if your area dry out in the Summer.  We have a clay soil so it was suggested to put down some gravel for drainage under the cardboard (which might deter the mold problem for me).  The brilliant grasp of the obvious for me was to get it so the naive mycelia has half a chance to acclimatize or adjust with various defenses against competitors.  I currently have 10 shoe box totes (ovoid , allenii, cyanescens ,and azures) of colonized woodchips on egg cartons getting ready for spring.  I will do an ovoid in a larger tote in the hopes it will fruit come spring using the above layering method. None of this is earth shattering news but what I did before didn't work so I am embracing change and the successful roads others have laid down. If anyone has a better method that has succeeded please post.





I don't understand why you're having issues.  I have literally just tossed out extra plates into chip piles in my back yard and there was a patch in the fall.

Don't pasteurize or sterilize your chips that you're using outside.  Just straight plate, spawn, or LI/LC to a chip bed on the ground outside.  I've had them take in all kinds of soil.

Like I said, I think everyone's problem is they over-complicate a simple process.

This was my first go in the backyard with stembutts.  Fruited the very next fall. 


I just put stembutts on cardboard, waited for them to start transferring, and put that directly outside shredded into chips on the ground.

Agar made that obsolete real quick.

It's cool people are having fun with totes, I love watching and trying that stuff!

But if it's being done for efficiency and yield, don't complicate it.

Just look at lil ol me.  Er, the member, not me.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: stevo] * 2
    #25801025 - 02/09/19 08:58 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

I've heard some really bunk quotes from RR about woodlovers that are flat out wrong.

He doesn't seem too familiar with them at all.

For example, he claimed that cyan's mycelium should not be put out in the fall because it cannot survive the winter.

Okay, then why do they fruit in the fall?  Wouldn't that brand new baby myc freeze to death in the winter?

Nope, that's how they grow.  My most successful patches were put out in the fall and overwintered.


Remember, just because someone has been around a long time does not mean they are an expert on all things fungi.  Yes RR has contributed a hell of a lot to the shroomery and cult, but that does not mean his info is current or alway correct.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mr Piggy] * 1
    #25801038 - 02/09/19 09:03 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

This is what happens when you just dump loads of chips throughout your yard and hit them up with LC and spawn. 

Very simple, set and occasionally water:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23008066/fpart/1/vc/1/nt/18


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Psilosopherr] * 1
    #25803308 - 02/10/19 10:08 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

Maybe make an LI with some soft plates, dilute with clean water, and pour that in as much of the chip bed as you can.

I made a large cyan bed on my friend's farm a couple years ago using WBS spawn outside, it got spread by critters just a bit.  Still worked great though.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #25804237 - 02/10/19 06:09 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

Time to get back on the horse and get some woodlover plates going.

Going to start some azzies and Alleni on some pasties and get down to cleaning them up.

I've never successfully germinated ovoids on PDA, but I saw someone on here makes pasty plates with brown rice flour and verm bottoms, a "PF pasty" and got them to germ.  From there it's a quick hop to agar.... in theory.

For the life of me I can't remember where I saw it, but it sounds like fun so I'm going to give it a shot.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #25805282 - 02/11/19 08:38 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

Still gonna make the BRF plates for fun.  Everything else I've tried to germ on PDA takes right to it, but both a Virginia print and an Oregon print of ovoids didn't like PDA.

Maybe ovoids just don't like me

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Adas]
    #25805379 - 02/11/19 09:19 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

I gave those plates a month before I chucked them, both times.

The good news is we're only a couple of months off from ovoid fruiting out here, so I'll just snatch a clone from a biggun.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Brain Bulb] * 1
    #25814678 - 02/15/19 01:42 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

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Do I need to wait for the wood chips to fully colonize on this jar of Cyanescens before transferring to my sub?







Yes, you do.  Your spawn needs to be fully colonized before mixing with a sub.  Any spawn, any grow.

I'm not so sure that jar is going to make it though.  It's way too wet in there and looks to have a mighty case of bacteria.  I would spawn that outside direct to a chip bed.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419] * 1
    #25830383 - 02/22/19 03:18 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

I don't know why people over complicate outdoor beds.

a bed of soil, chips mixed in/on top.

Spawn with LI, LC, or grain/chip spawn in the spring.

Keep watered throughout the summer.

Fruits in fall.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Seeker2be]
    #25830643 - 02/22/19 05:36 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

That's why I said over a bed of soil.  Raised beds don't need wood walls.  I would lay down some standard nursery cheap by the yard soil and put the chips on top of that.

Now you've got them raised off your clay, but still holding moisture for the chips.

Don't do cardboard.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Edmunter] * 1
    #25831682 - 02/23/19 08:32 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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Dont do cardboard?

Who doesnt do cardboard?

(maybe he fuks arses?)

Maybe he doesnt do cardboard

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I don't do cardboard.  I find woodlovers can take to it, but they do not like it.  I use it sometimes for stem butt transfers, but have mostly switched over to putting them directly to chips.

I get the best results with chips and soil, nothing more or less.

But hey, you do you.  Apparently you is butt stuff.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Edmunter]
    #25831744 - 02/23/19 08:59 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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Edmunter said:
Dont do cardboard?

Who doesnt do cardboard?

(maybe he fuks arses?)

Maybe he doesnt do cardboard

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/704312d8-f626-4f35-a628-c3d59e6327ae





I don't do cardboard.  I find woodlovers can take to it, but they do not like it.  I use it sometimes for stem butt transfers, but have mostly switched over to putting them directly to chips.

I get the best results with chips and soil, nothing more or less.

But hey, you do you.  Apparently you is butt stuff.




Dont do shroomery after a heavy night out.  I dont even remember writing this..  What a knob head...!




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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Edmunter] * 1
    #25836182 - 02/25/19 07:22 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

I've always had bad luck with cardboard, it seems to contaminate very quickly and the myc on it is a lot less vigorous. 

Soil mixed with chips and chips on top seems to be the fastest spreader.

Look at these ovoids that were in mushy mud most of the year.  Very over saturated but they loved it thanks to that exact mixing method that happened on accident.  Sometimes city maint does you a solid by complete accident.



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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Seeker2be]
    #25844418 - 02/28/19 06:47 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

I've been toying with the idea of stuffing burlap sacks into bags and hitting those up with LC.  Once colonized, just lay em down and pour a three to four inch layer of chips on top.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Doc9151] * 1
    #25849357 - 03/03/19 08:50 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Ovoids absolutely rampage through alder chips up here in Oregon, but they'll eat them all in a year.  We get those huge patches, but they quickly eat themselves out of house and home.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Solipsis]
    #25849364 - 03/03/19 08:53 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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Only saying that cardboard is bad though is kinda polarized.




Perhaps, but my experiences with growing woodlovers on cardboard are all negative.  I will not be using it again if I can avoid it.  Weak myc, hard to make the leap to wood, very easily contaminates.

I just want everything on agar, chips, or wood spawn.  The shop down the street has 20 lb bags of alder pellets for ten bucks, might be time to make some brick spawn.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Seeker2be]
    #25853849 - 03/05/19 09:07 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Right there with NC.

I don't hunt mushrooms, I hunt habitat.  That's how I can "see" them from 300 yards off. 

It's all about time put in learning and failing (same-same)


Jake, you ever make it to Oregon in the fall, shoot me a  :pm:


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