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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: sui]
    #25687035 - 12/18/18 09:12 AM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Domesticated New Jersey native Ovoid suspending water droplets.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Brain Bulb]
    #25687462 - 12/18/18 01:30 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

So lets talk about overwintering wood lover patches. Who can chime in on this?

Ovoids overwinter in some nearly hellish conditions, and I have seen baeos withstand a similar harshness. I have seen huge cyans and azures in the PNW in some chilly circumstances with snow on their heads, but it doesn't get nearly as cold as some of the eastern ovoid territory for sure.

What are the harshest conditions you have seen wood-lovers thrive in? which spp. were they? Any thoughts on supporting natural adaptation to habitat?


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: moricz]
    #25687640 - 12/18/18 02:59 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

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I just cover them with fresh chips and leaves or straw, but in the spring I allways add more millet spawn and chips to the beds :shrug:

in 2019 I clear all of the beds to the bottom because the good, rich soil is emerging up and I like to throw them into my garden. So I'll have new beds in the spring.





What are the average lowest temperatures you see in winter?


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: the astronaut]
    #25694688 - 12/21/18 08:50 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

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Super excited guys my 3 popcorn jars have a decent amount of growth in them and it seems to be at the same growth rate as cubes so Im thinking like 2 or 3 weeks fully colonized. I got a few bags of pecan wood chips as the main sub is that a good wood to use or should I look for something else.




Ive seen azures and cyans both devour piles of tar paper shingles, palate wood, telephone poles, fences, plywood, etc. they eat.

Not sure about pecan specifically, but the ovoids around here do fine on hickory  which is a close relative of pecan...


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Brain Bulb] * 1
    #25716331 - 01/01/19 01:26 PM (5 years, 27 days ago)

Az after 2 days on PDA.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: l0wbob]
    #25716951 - 01/01/19 05:45 PM (5 years, 27 days ago)

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Az after 2 days on PDA.





ewww any way of better pictures ?? what are the dots? some potatoflakes that didnt dissolve? these little hairs look a bit like bacteria.





The condensation on the surface of the petri dish unfortunately prevents current the apparatus from providing proper focus. Although the view through the eyepiece tells a much more distinctive story, that is anecdotal at best from the reader's perspective.

Not bacteria. Just beautiful hyphae emerging for the first time together. All the specks and spots are from the potatoes.

200 grams organic yellow potatoes boiled in 1250 ml spring water until proper (determined by olfactory sensor), then straining the effluent through a simple steel screen not worrying about particulate too much (1000 ml left over). To the effluent 21 grams of agar powder, 20 grams of light honey, and a splash of live Saccharomyces Bayanus culture are added and then pulsed briefly in a blender, poured into a preferred autoclavable vessel, then pressure sterilized.

All plates are poured under strict sterile conditions, then set aside for 7 days before used.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: l0wbob]
    #25745362 - 01/15/19 11:47 AM (5 years, 13 days ago)

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What do you mean Azzy didn't work with Cubes?




I tried azures with cubes on agar and they did a hard fight against each other with a dark brown line of metabolites where they met.

Short after that i read a post where someone explained this behaviour.

Maybe in nature where they are not limited in space and food-source they would life in symbiosis.

On agar they didnt like each other, i think i have a plate left and could take a picture if you want me to

edit: the plate is gone but i found an old picture



the backside had a dark line, from the top you cant see this so much




Have you tried combing spores in the same solution and germinating them together? Have seen cube "varietals" that will form walls and compete in petri when they meet after establishing, but seem to do great when germinated together...

I know azzy and cube are different species and this is not the same thing... Just seems to me that colonies that are "born" together seem to compete much less than established colonies that "meet".

Look into horizontal transference of gene clusters between different species of fungi. It's a thing :wink:.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Nichrome]
    #25745383 - 01/15/19 12:00 PM (5 years, 13 days ago)

Has anyone seen Ovoid myc in petri that turns copper tan in the center and grows very distinctive rings(like the rings of a tree)?

Looking at myc from a wild (Ovoid?) print from New Jersey. It bruises blue when cut or scraped...


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: SFS96]
    #25960407 - 04/28/19 10:10 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

So with a dozen quarts of az on oats and another dozen quarts of ovoid on oats, what is the next logical step? There is a fresh pile of community mulch (3 yards) outside wriggling with red worms and the temp is about 40 and drizzly....


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: josevzs]
    #25961165 - 04/28/19 06:21 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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Hi everyone. Some months ago I got some azur prints somewhere and since that I've been trying to clean the culture on agar. Even though in most of guides I've read posters say that it's difficult to contaminate a woodlover culture, I'd love to start from something clean, just because it's my first time with woodlovers and I even don't know how healthy myc should look like.

So I made some MEA plates and I put some spores on it, as I've doo ing with cubes for some years. But, though I've been using my always recipe which worked perfectly with cubes always, the azur plates were completely clean one month after I put the spores, so I gave it a second chance. It's been close to another month after that and swill nothing in both plates...

Is there a reason why azur myc doesn't grow over MEA? is there some kind of advice that you could give me?

Thanks to everyone :rofl:




Try germinating them in a 3-4% LME/Karo/Brown Rice Syrup/Dextrose (brown rice syrup is tits!) liquid solution at 60F. Then you can clean it up on a streak plate...


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Spacetuna] * 2
    #25965997 - 05/01/19 09:59 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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I’ve got a slug problem as well.  Woke up to find five caps eaten off the pins.  Fuckin poachers.  I put beer out in Petri dishes all around the patch.  A shroomery search also said that they don’t like to cross crushed egg shells.  I’m gona surround the areas pinning with egg shells.  Beer, eggshells, and a couple night time patrols, I hope can keep them bastards out.




Beer will drown the slugs/snails but it will attract more of them than it will kill as they are very sensitive to ethylene gas, only worsening the problem.

One solution is to put a circle of copper wire or copper pipe (copper pipe is cheapish at the depot and comes in 8 foot lengths and bends) around the circumfrence of the spot you want to protect. Type into the google box: "copper garden barrier" and loads of stuff from recycled plastic liners with copper in them , to copper tape and such will pop up.

Greased wood also works quite well as the oils break up their mucilage they depend on to stay hydrated so they avoid going across it. Any thick fat like lard or bacon grease(also salty which helps) spread thickly on at least a 4 inch tall board (6-8 inches for banana slugs). You can melt the grease with a little beeswax to make it last longer but no more than 10% or the solvent action of the grease will not be as effective.

Slugs poop out live mycelium so in the long run they are just spreading healthy clones around... They also learn faster than any other type of animal including mammals and birds.

Good luck, and as I learned from observing slugs in nature, Take your time and be careful.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Hoob33]
    #25983477 - 05/10/19 08:07 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Will azzies fruit the first year outside? Layed out a few yards of community mulch with a case of colonized oats last week. It's starting to get ropey already. vigorous.


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Re: The Official Wood lovers Thread [Re: Ferather]
    #26014582 - 05/26/19 03:43 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Azzy on community mulch...


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Nichrome]
    #26014594 - 05/26/19 03:53 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

So whats the recommended protocol for serbica/bohemica? Got a wild print from Poland, generously sent by a very fine human being, and am about to put spores to plates......


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Re: The Official Wood lovers Thread [Re: Ferather]
    #26015644 - 05/27/19 07:43 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)

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Are you able to water that? I could be wrong but it looks dry, and the growth looks like what I see on dry trees or dry dead privet.




Yes I water it regularly. That photo was from a hot day and the surface was quite dry. The mulch is in a #7 plastic pot and is kept in a shady spot behind one of my beehives. I installed a 20x20 patch under my raspberry patch which is colonizing rapidly as well.


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Re: The Official Wood lovers Thread [Re: Adas]
    #26015923 - 05/27/19 10:21 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)

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It is not natural for the myc to come out to the surface like that anyway. I would say you're overwatering. If you had to remove at least 1 layer to make that photo, that's a different story.




It's just due to it being in complete shade.

I've seen lots of surface mycelium. In fact there was a neighborhood in Olympia I used to frequent that had white rhisos covering every exposed piece of ground for a 6x6 block area. This seemed to be coincidental to the amount of cloud cover and moisture.  That neighborhood had some seriously prolific fruitings annually, and basically everywhere there was exposed wood debris or enough grass cellulose you could expect to find them (the main three there were cyans predominately with a mix of stunzii and occasional azzy) fruiting in the cold wet months (as late as feburary!).

There was a huge patch of azzies in that neighborhood that was consuming a 4 foot deep pile of tar roofing shingles. Never got around to an assay of those fruits although the shingles turned out to be extremely handy for spreading around. Subsequent shingle patch fruits were divine on the assay aspect.

A friend in the same neighborhood had problems with what he called "white rot" eating the studs in the back of his garage. White rhizomorphic mycelium that bruised a beautiful blue. His garage was completely shaded by big hemlock trees. The mycelium grew up the studs about 4 feet. Right across his back yard fence was a huge patch of cyans, baeos, ans stunzii that fruited massively for 6 years due to the city being kind enough to force community service laborers to spread out a foot deep layer of fir mulch and plant native plants and trees in an environmental reclamation effort.

Yes those studs were replaced saved and homed, as well as the stack of old firewood behind the garage and the pallet it was sitting on...

This was back in 1999, and that was oly, where chantrelles pop out of the cracks in the sidewalk.


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Re: The Official Wood lovers Thread [Re: Ferather] * 1
    #26016339 - 05/27/19 01:43 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

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...After rainy season begins, it can quickly recover and appear back at the surface...



Pretty much this, but more sped up (over a few days, rather than weeks, months), if you look at the media, it's generally loose and very airy.
Warm temperatures, and airy pockets equals a higher water loss (compared to semi compact compost or sawdust).

It's likely the re-hydration is working like you said above (as I mentioned).


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....Some people even say that overwatering leads to mycelium rotting away and dying.



That's 99.99% likely due to infection, else how do liquid cultures work?

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50-50 paper pellets and compost, sitting in water (floating, no rot).

   

Open to air, indoors, room temps, no infections.




Not woodlovers but you get the idea.

Wet is fine. Dry is fine too but growth stops as metabolism cannot occur without the solvent of life.

I have regularly found fruitings of wood lovers in irrigated gardens, cemeteries, and arboretums often weeks before the non irrigated ones flush. Although there is something super awesome to be said for letting nature take it's course as the "natural" patches seem to fruit later into the year (all Dependant on xyz of course).

Keep in mind most of the wood loving psilos thrive in cataclysmic environments, recycling the suns electrons by digesting carbohydrates such as cellulose and lignin, enzymatically, and farming the next ecosystem that will replace the last.


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Re: The Official Wood lovers Thread [Re: Ferather] * 1
    #26016376 - 05/27/19 01:57 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

:shrug: Seems like maybe there is a reason these critters thrive in great populations in the wettest terrestrial areas of North America??? lol

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knocking up a bunch of plates later with all of you in heart. Wild azz. serb/bohem. And 14 quart jars of brown rice syrup lc with various clean cyan isos. Going to hit the community mulch yard like we used to back in the day on the olympic pretty soon.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Edmunter] * 1
    #26147602 - 08/22/19 09:03 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Installed this spring on mixed hardwood mulch strait from the pile.

Ovoid


Azzy eating away at an old piece of wooden chair...


The jumping worms that have colonized my yard really till up the soil a lot, so I get a lot of surface mycelium poking through. They seem to really spread it around a lot too...


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Bumholio]
    #26195132 - 09/18/19 07:07 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

So what is the preferred method for shipping feral wood mulch from outside? Freezer bag with a filter patch good enough? Sending a piece of a patch to a good friend and could use some advice.


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