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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Adas]
    #27198431 - 02/10/21 11:50 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

I'll get some pics up, but today I created my big outdoor backyard patch.  I had a bunch of mulch made of fir, alder, redwood, and a mix of other local woods as a base.  Spread it like 8 x 3 ft and a few inches deep.  I then evenly mixed in entirely colonized (as in every other woodchip was literally half covered with mycelium and tons of strings everywhere still growing already), very, very healthy alder wood chips entirely all covered with alleni mycelium (as well as some leaves and soil that were colonized too) and evenly spread them throughout the entire patch.  There was more than enough luckily, so every part has a solid already colonized chips spread around.  As well this patch already has little bits of grass and ivy growing over it for a sweet micro climate.  I then poured a small covering of the mulch mix over the spawned chips and gently and evenly mixed them so the spawned chips were entirely covered, but barely so.

I will then be adding more alder wood chips as well as ground blackberry branches to the top for more food and substrate for them and to better enhance the environment.  At that point, it should be ready to hang out and grow until the season comes in 9-10 months.  I figure I'm supposed to put cardboard to cover it all for quite awhile, right?  Then just let sit, check every once in awhile for growth.  How often should I water a bed like that, or just let california rains do their thing as alleni grow only a few minutes from my house many places?

thanks yall, first outdoor grow and I wanna get it right.  Any more tips like small things to mix in to get them growing good?  there's a few random things I have leftover from cube grows Id like to ideally mix in and help them colonize and grow better (past. rye berries, coco coir and other nutrient rich mixes that are past. that can be added to cube tub grows).  thanks yall!  really appreciate ya!


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: wxorx]
    #27202672 - 02/12/21 09:24 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Anyway just to ask, does anyone recommend anything for alleni woodlover outdoor beds to help foster growth?  thanks!


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Haywire]
    #27204109 - 02/13/21 05:10 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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Haywire said:
I've done nothing out of the ordinary and got good growth.
inoculated dried chips with smoking chips and covered with a pile of leaves.




That's what I'm gonna do then, thats the exact environment I found them in anyway. ty!


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: CHUCK.HNTR]
    #27204688 - 02/13/21 10:17 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

If i were to add blackberry bush chippings to the bed, as i've seen done with great success here on other threads (as well cyans and alleni are known to do very well under blackberries), how small would I want the chips to be?  thanks!

@chk.hntr

Yeah I'm really glad I finally got the bed properly setup, its rained a few times sense so its just in prime conditions.  I was proscraniting like a week and then I realized it was time to act.  In the next few days ill be adding the final alder wood, blackberry chips, and then final mix before letting set for awhile.  The mycelium mulch is crazy healthy, so I'm really hoping I can get some fruits this next year!


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Land Trout] * 2
    #27212061 - 02/17/21 09:52 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Here's the patch I have going, tomorrow I'll take some close ups of the myceliated chips, there buried underneath a shallow layer of more mulch to protect them - but they are evenly spread throughout the entire patch.  In the coming days im gonna cover it with a bunch of leaves to hopefully let it do its thing properly.  I estimate it's about 24 sq ft.  Hopefully big enough to get some nice hauls. 

I put it in this area where there is ivy and grasses growing up for a more moist microclimate, the patch I found was pretty much the exact same conditions where the most fruits where up in the ivy.  So i tried to mimic the natural patch as much I could.

Will update again better tommorow.



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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Shroomhunts]
    #27261060 - 03/19/21 08:40 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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Shroomhunts said:
Strawberries will help the pins stay protected so they can form real big clusters. Chill on feeding it till this fall after you have harvested a few times




I have light but solid ivy growing over my patch, will get a picture up.  Patch is spawned from already fully formed p. alleni chips from a wild patch I found and slowly responsibly harvested the chips.  Will that protect pins well?  I also have wild strawberry plants already growing, should I transplant some to the patch and lay some seeds down throughout the patch so they start growing little plants by next fall?


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Adas]
    #27262257 - 03/20/21 05:18 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Hey guys, thanks!  The ivy was already established there, and with the last months weather has grown even more.  I imagine by this late fall and winter, they will be so much I may have to even remove some.  So I'm gonna stay with the ivy.  Thankfully since the area is gated in, there aren't too many curious critters.  Some squirrels, but once they realize there's no food, they give up.  Over a month, there was maybe only two small sites that were barely disturbed, almost could have even just been heavy rains.

Anyway, I checked the patch after a month or so to let it do its thing; and it's so happy!  This patch was made by chips that were already fully colonized and fruited in December 20 and January 21; and are very happy in their new location right now.  The seed chips didn't even stall at all or lose any growth, and are already showing signs of tons of new mycelial growth - as well, the mulch I added as the major part (around 80% or so) is already showing lots of signs everywhere around the patch of mycelium spreading to them to grow on already.  It's all alder wood, and a solid mix of other wood mulches mixed with a small amount of really healthy potting soil already in the mulch, with the ivy and some grasses growing on top.

These are all p. alleni.



One of the seed chips mycelium sending out new strands and growing on what's immediately around it, mycelium looks nice and healthy.  This was on the upper layer of seed chips, and I placed it back and covered it after.



Peeking beneath the top layer of mulch mix on top covering everything.


[Zoomed in]
This is what the seed chip layer looks like underneath, this is basically what it looks like across the entire 8 ft x 3 ft patch.  Afterwards I put back on top the top mulch layer as it was before.



And this is just the beginning of the mycelium starting to spread to the other pieces of mulch in there from the seed chips.  P. alleni tend to be very hardy and beat out the competition, so I'm hoping that's alleni mycelium.  Since it fruited last year, I'm hoping it fruits in this coming December again even though it was transplanted to a new spot.  It might not because of that, but my fingers are crossed.  Regardless, the patch is establishing itself, and patience pays off eventually.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Typerwritermonky]
    #27262364 - 03/20/21 06:48 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

I have a question about casing - I have that top mulch layer on top covering the mycelium and protecting it, which it can grow onto as well and spread more.  But I'm wondering if there's anything on top of that I should be using for casing?  Could I use stuff meant for cubensis casings mixed with something else (just have a bunch of good leftover casings) - or is there a certain thing people reccomend for p. alleni?

Thanks again so much, total noob here for outdoor grows with wood lovers with this being my first.  I've grown cubensis indoor, I've hunted cyans and alleni for years, but I decided getting my own patch thats in a safe spot that I can help explode is the best move.  I don't really even trip on mushrooms, it's mostly for hobby sake, and to get enough to have an infinite amount of microdoses for myself and friends to have.  Considering it takes the tiniest amount of caps or stems from these guys to microdose with.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Land Trout]
    #27263574 - 03/21/21 05:56 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah sometimes I wonder if I used too much extra mulch, but I have about 75% of the entire square footage of the patch, and I'm hoping that it can cover the rest of the area in the next 9 months, and fruit, and not be too stalled and stunted growth.

Ok y'all, glad to hear the casing is good, each time I check the underneath mycelial layer, its always nice and super moist and growing well. So here's too hoping. 

@Rockhammer yeah my mycelium in some places looks almost like that coverage, but still not quite, that looks great.  Is that what the whole layer looks like undenearth, or just that spot?


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Shroomhunts]
    #27269441 - 03/25/21 08:59 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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Shroomhunts said:
Quote:

noodles-uk said:
Looking for some advice guys:

Whats the best way to feed or expand established cyanescens patches? They are pretty small probably 1x1m, fruited last year.

Do I just pile wood chip on top?
Or break up the bed a little and mix wood chip in?
how much do I feed with?

Thanks!



Make a much larger bed and use the existing one as spawn, I'd wait until after you harvest this years crop tho, you can also just collect the spores and spray them on the new bed




Agreed.  I did that, and the patch is already taking off and taking over all the other mulch around it.  I tripled the size of the patch, but I had enough seed chips.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #27270636 - 03/26/21 05:11 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

So for my outdoor bed, it's located maybe an 8 minute drive from it's original habitat.  p. cyans and p. alleni (my patch is alleni) grow less then a mile from the new patch location, so I know the climate is fine.

My question is, if we don't have a period of much natural rain, how often should I water the patch?  Thanks!


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Shroomhunts]
    #27273600 - 03/28/21 07:22 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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Shroomhunts said:
If it's in direct sunlight then as mu h as possible but if it has good shade maybe once a week at most




Thanks for the answer, it's been like 10 days since it last rained, so it was probably 3-4 days too late.  But the patch is in pretty much all shade, with light dappled sunlight for a few hours a day.  I checked and the main layer was still moist, but the top started to dry out a good bit (the casing).  Argh!!  Hopefully they don't get too stunted, gave them a good soaking, and will do so every week.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: elpico]
    #27273601 - 03/28/21 07:23 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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elpico said:
A hint of spring in the air:







Have you kept watering that home patch?  Where in the world are you located?


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: holofractal]
    #27278689 - 04/22/21 10:37 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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Typerwritermonky said:
So for my outdoor bed, it's located maybe an 8 minute drive from it's original habitat.  p. cyans and p. alleni (my patch is alleni) grow less then a mile from the new patch location, so I know the climate is fine.

My question is, if we don't have a period of much natural rain, how often should I water the patch?  Thanks!




So, from my experience, we need some info. How much shade is on this , 100% shade, some sun or half and half? Especially in the summer any sun can really pull that moisture out and will stall growth.

Keeping things damp, but not soaking in the summer is ideal. I let weeds grow thru my cyan patch and then pulled all the weeds in mid/late August. Then I kept covered with wet cardboard and a tarp. I noticed that really helped to bring the mycelium to the surface, had mycelium all over the cardboard.

Since this is their natural habitat, how I like to think of things is "What would be an ideal summer for the fungi, but not out of the ordinary?" Remember, it survives just fine being baked in the summer, to an extent.

In short, I would treat it as if you had flowers there, like watering 1-2 times a week if you can. If it is full sun probably more, cus if it's 90 out all that water is going to evaporate in a few hours, at least an inch below the surface. You often find these near landscape beds with irrigation anyways.




Definitely been considering this, thanks.  And I've decided to put wet cardboard on top now starting tomorrow.  But yeah it's been really dry here, we are entering a drought year.  Between the extra alder wood and the cardboard I think I'll be good, just really hoping I get some fruits this year!  This is all from a patch that fruited last year, I just transplanted it to a place it can grow more.

also feels good to be back!


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Ps.NoName]
    #27292988 - 05/03/21 08:52 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Ps.NoName said:
First sign of fruits from outdoor ovoid patch started about 22 months ago. Spores -> pf cake -> wood chips.






must feel so good!  My patch is progressing well, I'm hoping since they aren't supposed to fruit for another 8 months that I'll get some fruits this year - but if not, two years.  I can tell the mycelium is totally active and growing, it's just a matter of if they'll grow and settle enough to produce fruits.  I have a feeling I'll at least get a few small ones, but hoping for a sweet flush!


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Haywire]
    #27294576 - 05/04/21 07:52 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Hey guys I have a question, maybe there's a better place to ask it, but I'll ask here.  Are there any particular toxins or nasty bacteria that can be on or in woodlovers that are natural patches?  Especially any that might survive the drying period at a medium heat for several days with air drying until it's cracker dry?

I consumed probably.. .4-.5g of dried p. alleni over the course of 2 and a half months or so in microdoses.  Absolutely confirmed, looked over multiple times, etc.  So I know it's not those, but is there any sort of bacteria or toxin like I said that can cause health issues that could still be active on the dried mushrooms even after a good while?

I've had some strange health issues after receiving the 2nd Pfizer covid shot, and my liver started having very high enzyme levels and I had to be hospitalized within 48 hours of getting the shot.  every possible test came back negative, so they have no idea what's caused it.  I'm quite sure that it's the shot, but trying to rule everything out.

I hadn't microdosed as well for about two weeks before getting my second shot, but is there anyway that these microdoses could be account for the liver issues I experienced?  They are confirmed p. alleni from myself and TI's on this website... so I know it's not the mushroom themself, but could there be something piggybacking here that anybody has heard of?  Like I said, I'm just trying to rule everything out.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: CHUCK.HNTR]
    #27297628 - 05/06/21 08:17 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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CHUCK.HNTR said:
TWM sorry to hear man. I wouldn’t eat any more of your allenii stash until you figure it out.
I recently had to throw away 60g of p.cyan’s because I didn’t properly dry them.
It was really hard to do but I felt better after getting rid of them.

I think I remember some of your ID requests being debated on what you had. Is it possible a few other mushrooms snuck in? Maybe another reason to ditch the stash and start fresh.:shrug:





I think that may have been someone else you are thinking of.  My main concern is perhaps there was a few that were too far gone, yet I dried and kept them anyway?  As well, I was just microdosing, so taking tiny amount. 

Also, after like a month after being fully dried, what could be in there that survived?  Just wondering if anybody has heard of anything of the sorts.  I am 100% sure each of these were p. alleni.

If anything, I may just toss them, and make sure that this next season I get a few fruits from my patch and I can just pick them in their prime and keep those for future microdosing.  It's like I'm pretty damn sure it's not the mushrooms, I had microdosed them without any sort of issue for about two months.  It was only within 24 hours after getting my second COVID shot that all this started happening to me - about two weeks after my last microdose.

Thnx for the input all.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Ps.NoName]
    #27312005 - 05/17/21 01:05 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

What are those, p. baeo?


Also, I have decided to add another casing on top of my patch - some of the myceliated chips are exposed on top, and I'd like them to have a little bit more cover.  I want something even, but not super chunky - what does everyone reccomend?

Secondly, is there any kind of "food" I can give the mushroom patch to break down and eat and grow on?

Thanks for being patient and answering my questions in advance, I'm a total noob at growing outdoor patches or woodlovers!


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: alaskappalachian]
    #27317986 - 05/21/21 08:15 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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alaskappalachian said:
Indeed- wood loving psilocybes eat both.  Some fungi are better at eating/selectively consume more lignin and some more cellulose.  Some consume both indiscriminately.

Holofractal, I'm with you on the 24-48hr soak.  Hell I only soak mine to make sure they contain sufficient water before pasteurization.




So what kind of food can you feed woodlovers like cyans and alleni?  Would adding sawdust throughout my patch that's growing be beneficial?  Anything else?


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Hindsight]
    #27324501 - 05/27/21 12:16 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Oooo my bed is starting to get the rhizo's really going.  I decided to spend this next weekend putting leaves on top and soaking them for a bit of a casing on top, chips are drying out too fast.  I'm having to water them once a week at least, but they are growing in their natural outdoor climate and not in much sun at all.  I just want to give them all the help I can!


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