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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Just_A_Noob] * 3
    #24673871 - 09/30/17 10:14 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Subbed, thanks for getting this going!


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: TheDuder] * 1
    #24673941 - 09/30/17 10:47 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

I modded you and Just_A_Noob in Outdoor Mushroom Cultivation, if you ever need. Thanks again for this thread guys.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: frankie-smiles]
    #24674798 - 10/01/17 09:49 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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I like this thread. Good luck everyone, here is my offering lol.



Ovoid on beech chips. Got some cyans going too, I don't think they have been established long enough for fruits this year but we can hope right?




Still super early to hope for fruits. Can plant a few more flowers or something this spring and case with coir and soil. You can run peat too but it seems it likes carrying seeds of other stuff with it. I'm still pulling up weeds and it's October.

Good work btw. It's certainly looking good!!!


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: TheMadHatter420]
    #24674877 - 10/01/17 10:09 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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So when growing wood lovers in say flower pots, is it better to grow vegetation on top of mushroom bed? Something like grass, or is it species dependent?




I accidentally started my planter from the bottom up. It's meant to be a planter after all but mushrooms are bonus. I have some ivy and cover and next year it'll be full of low grass, ivy, spring flowers and what appears to be a small sapling lol.

Really you wanna hit just the top layers. I keep feeding mine, which is probably why it hasn't been fruiting, and although it's probably colonized the entire center (core samples but you can just observe mycelium tightening the top layer), I might not see fruits until next spring or fall despite throwing tons of mushroom tissue and matures and spawn and colonized chips. Honestly I'm thinking about getting a real long trough type planter to hang on my porch just for more surface area and do all this totally different.

Here's a link to my big one. I have to update this past year on the thread, as I've been posting work somewhere else.

Adden's Planters: Six Psilocybes & Two psilocybes

The big one with six only has 5 woodlovers. I had some old grain with an isolate of cubes from a friend so I added it this summer with verm/peat on top of castings/soil for my flowers. It'd be boss to have woodlovers in Fall and cubes in summer, but the wood eating psilocybes I'm sure will be the winners.

Btw, for those of you growing who don't pick. Go out on a hike or cycling or short walk to the woods and find nice soil. I just came across some black slightly sandy loam while picking and it's gonna be the only soil I use for my projects now on.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: TheMadHatter420] * 2
    #24675462 - 10/01/17 01:19 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Oh, and I heavily updated my post above.

Warning: Below is a real long post and very image heavy. If you're not gonna wanna see it, you can click the hide post icon at the bottom of the thread and you won't see it anymore, but you'll still see the thread.

I have two planters going. One with six psilocybes one with two. Been using them as my dumping grounds for LC, mushrooms that don't survive the ride home after being picked a few hundred miles away, spore slurry, colonized forgotten-about agar plates and LC. Used a lot of colonized chips and fresh chips.

It's easy to start a chip bucket. Do grains and do grains with wood chips. Load soaked and boiled chips to your grain after sitting overnight. The jump to eating lignin is always a crucial point with these (from the failed and successful projects I've seen). If you can get them eating chips faster the better. Those colonized chips will be what's getting the others and your grain will serve as more wood noc points.

Some flower porn and a little bit of what I've got going on.

This started as one planter. The ivy and firewitch grew too fast so I made another small one with ovoids and azures.



This is a Tupperware I used and filled with old pickings. Like the crap that sticks to ovoids no matter what you do. Caps fallen apart etc. I forgot about it from March to mid May, tucked in an old cooler with gardening supplies. I added water and it came back alive and with a vengeance. Spawned it to my big planter.



Mycelium porn big planter.



Old agar to chips in early February lol. Ps azurescens.



This is what it originally looked like after I did all the stuff mentioned in the linked thread above. May 2016.



Some ovoid leaves first week of June 2016.



Some wood chip spawn from a patch in May 2016 that was about to be destroyed by grounds maintenance. It served as a base for my chip bucket, and spread the bucket this spring to four suitable habitats.

I checked the patches last week; I don't wanna disturb them much but they definitely look more "shroomy". Nice low mods enough water, wood to catch pieces as wood and leaves fall down the hill, and if any of the patches fall in a slide, they hit an easily accessible area near water on 3 sides of a 250 foot slope. It'll be 3 to 5 years for the wild ovoid patches to take off is my guess, and when they fall into the river from a slide to the river, they'll be carried all the way the heck down into the forest.



Sept 7th 2016. This is what the expanded chips look like four months after initial planter creation. Added stems of shredded blackberries and leaves and sticks and twigs from habitats I was scouting for the upcoming season.



I took 2 cuttings of my white flowering silverbrush, moved them and the firewitch planter, added a ton of mushroom tissue and fresh cooking chips. This layer must be 1/4 of the way down the planter by now. I put them in there in September so they'd have time to rot and loosen up before adding mushroom tissue and habitat wood/woody soil. Boiled for 4h, drained, used water for LC agar and grains and never got it to stick. If someone does a new grow please see what happens when you use woodwater all the way through. I keep cube plates around accidentally and get them to fruit invitro. I never once had a serbica, allenii, cyan or azure fruit. I had hoped wood water would work but I never ever got the hang of it. Too many contams. Must've needed 20psi for 2h, not 15 for 1.5 hours.



This time last year.



This time this year. I planted one of those little maple tree helicopters (small bunch back left), some kind of tall thin grass snuck in, and the firewitch has taken over the pot. The roots haven't hit the sides yet. These ivy bundles are barely hanging on as far as staying in the pot. They grew down about 20 feet and the neighbors asked me to cut it, as much as they enjoyed the tiny flowers and small colored leaves and hummingbirds.



Patching the shrinking sides with chips woody soil etc. Nearly an entire season of picking trimmings underneath and mixed in. Boiled and drained chips.



Same here on the small one.



February 2017. Chip from old agar pucks and LC.



Mid March 2017

Added different types of wood from an ovoid patch that wasn't fruiting. My projects and all types of wood going bonkers.



Going nuts eating the old silverbrush and wandflower leaves. They shed the bottom as summer ends. Kept everything in the planter. Trimmings from the out of control wandflower (over 2 meters in length. Mycelium jumped that wood and colonized that tilted woody stem from when we first bought it.



February before this spread across the pot.



April 2017. Some early spring growth and expansion. Presumably ovoid. Increased tightening of the top layer but never saw fruits. The root systems of this are very gentle. Patched with soil and worm castings and filled gaps with peat.







Some old discarded plates and LC taking to fresh and wild chips. Pics are Feb 2017. Dumped over colonized PDA plates, wads of LC.

(Edit note: I ran some unmodded lid LC. Hear me out. Potato and dextrose water from wedges in unmodded pint jars filled 15-20% capacity. It worked, but as it began running out of air and stalled, I dumped them in my planters and beds and chip piles in parks).









2016 August chips



August of this year. If we had an ovoid season, and this was fruiting, I'd have a superb ovoid cover.



April this year.



April 20th mycelium porn. Ovoid mostly a handful or two of cyan azure chips. I didn't wanna burn too much of the latter.



My two-month forgotten about ovoid cup with sticks twigs and leaves from the leftover planter with some chips. Added water 2 weeks later spawned it back it was glorious.



Better climate at the bottom to go hide in during absence of light, fae, very low GE, sitting with a bunch of gardening stuff and tools.



April showers bring May flowers.









Plenty seed pods got replanted in both. Pic 2 is flowers budding.





Hardier and redder leaves for the wand flower. The bases are just now becoming much more woody.





Fantastic mid-May cover had it fruited this year.



Active mycelium in August. The dead flowers and leaves of this most recent and final layer got covered in peat. This wood is maybe 2 inches down max.







2016 wandflowers.



2017 blossom. Many more hummingbirds but they are not around much longer if at all.





Hardier cutting doing well. Dropped seeds this year in both planters and replanted.



Autumn is almost late. The ones in the original planter went to seed again real fast and stopped.



Some shoots after peat casing. Colonizing the wood a week after some cold days and cold rain a month ago.



The big open area is from a buried azure stick a couple inches long, about as thick as putting thumb to forefinger. Surrounded by other colonized wood before I put this peat down. Was just way too dry and the plants were burning and wilting. Mixed a half quart of cube isolate and a handful of verm while making a water retention layer.



These are the kind of azures in the stick I got.



Ah, here it is. What the mature ones look like in a subsequent flush 14 days later.



Sometimes their stems seemingly grow off nothing (or in pine needle cases actually).





Oh for those of you spawning.. sometimes azures like a little pine. Leech it well before using in a bed.



I put some of this in my planter. Just stuck it in at a 45 degree angle. I had accidentally stepped on and slipped on this root and took with me some moss and azures. Kept the bark because they love it when it's old enough to eat and they're always stronger and bigger.



This got a lot longer than I thought so I'm just gonna stop now lmao.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: TheMadHatter420] * 1
    #24676515 - 10/01/17 08:56 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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I have a cyan and an ovoid print laying arpund. What are the chances of getting fruit this winter if I started now?




Do it now maybe fruits late spring is my guess depending on zone but that'd still be early and if you did bags and bags of spawn. Don't forget to make a chip bucket. I'd say a definite "next fall" project.

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So today I tilled a bunch of woody mulch/compost shit into the veg garden to loosen soil and break down over the next couple years. I started thinking, hmmmm could I till spawn into the garden and have shrooms pop up in my garden? Don't know how well spawn would survive that though.




It survives 4 to 5 months of no rain and 80s then survives 7 or 8 months constantly rained on and half of that time being 35 to 40 degrees. If it's eventually gonna be a bed you may as well start now it couldn't hurt, then plant your whatever-foliage, spawn chips on top cover in native soils straw some old pine and case with peat coir or old leaves or everything.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mycobolical] * 1
    #24676559 - 10/01/17 09:14 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

I store all slants in the fridge. Drop in SAB, wrap in bag, veggie drawer.

The part that gets 110. Like "Florida 110" with tons of water, or like "Arizona 110" where shade and 0 humidity saves you from the heat?

Ovoids would probably make it just cover with leaves in the shade always keep some of it a little wet.

Pro-tip; if you guys soak chips, you can use the wood water on your patches. It'll ferment so it really only stays for awhile, but I let mine sit on the porch and all sorts of leaves and bugs and stuff fell in it and I tossed some wood in and later drained it onto a patch and knocked up the leftovers. You could PC them for long term storage too.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mycobolical]
    #24676633 - 10/01/17 09:53 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Best bet I guess would be a shaded area. Watch it during the day see how many hours it gets. If you have a sprinkler that hits that way, even better. Otherwise just keep wet, and by that I mean don't let the bottom of your top most layer dry out. No need to drown them. Kind of like cubes. People will overwater like people overmist. (But of course if leaves and peat are blowing away get it damp).


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mycobolical]
    #24676721 - 10/01/17 10:30 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

It's important to note that there's a million ways to do these. I hope others chime in with different options and opinions. There's more than one way to skin a cap :wink:

Indeed, I hope and encourage everyone to drop their 2 cents in the cup. I think TheDude has a great thing going here.

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Like Arizona 110 but it could be in a fairly shaded area and watered frequently




You could always run your wood chip bed and cover the top with poo soil and vegetation and hope for woodlovers and cubes. My hope and goal for my big fucker, even if it takes 2 or 3 years, is to have a bit of everything or something year round.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Adden]
    #24676743 - 10/01/17 10:41 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Psilopsychin has an awesome Ps. allenii shoebox.


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I definitely plan to clone that cluster... yes sir!

Nice in situ shots of those woodlovers.

The story behind my attraction to the Allenii is here:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21746668

But I'm also giving an azurescens and subaeruginosa a go also. The Azure I had One? fruit from the first year I tried.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21655913

I hope the Azurescens and Subaerugiinosa shoe boxes fruit for me too..




https://files.shroomery.org/files/17-36/490376830-IMG_6321.jpg

https://files.shroomery.org/files/17-36/490377343-IMG_6322.jpg

https://files.shroomery.org/files/17-36/490377757-IMG_6323.jpg


https://files.shroomery.org/files/17-36/497979112-IMG_6331.jpg https://files.shroomery.org/files/17-36/497979579-IMG_6333.jpg https://files.shroomery.org/files/17-36/497980050-IMG_6334.jpg https://files.shroomery.org/files/17-36/497980505-IMG_6335.jpg https://files.shroomery.org/files/17-36/497981024-IMG_6336.jpg

https://files.shroomery.org/files/17-37/526774697-IMG_6349.jpg

I'm sure he's got much more to post than I can paste haha.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: NothingsChanged]
    #24713553 - 10/16/17 07:44 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Don't mind me just marking that I've got 63 replies to catch up on when Internet is back up.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Germs]
    #24713620 - 10/16/17 08:47 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

If someone can, or wants to, I'd suggest trying wood water agar. Boil alder cooking chips, load them with grains, keep leftover alder water to use making PDA. I had relative success. Never had any fruit in vitro tho, so I don't know if lignous particles break down or they just don't do that or what. My only problem was contams. Control plates would contam. I think it's gotta be PC'd a good hour on its own then used in agar, and PC'd again. A great way to have the mycelium make the leap from grains to wood which is usually the hardest part. I just don't have the room or time to do it, and I'm sitting on half gallon jars from last year's picking season and more will come rolling in so I really don't wanna start anything cult.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: NothingsChanged] * 2
    #24715808 - 10/17/17 03:25 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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Heck yea.

I'm trying to make the name stick on the Mushroom i found last year.

According to the microscopy it's a liberty cap.:shrug:

In honer of my late Mother. Dr Susan Hardwick Phd.

Psilocybe semilanceata var. susanii








Wasn't it run through GenBank? It's hard for me to believe that's a semilanceata. For a laundry list of reasons I've mentioned before. Not even looking like one starts that list lol.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: NothingsChanged]
    #24718870 - 10/18/17 08:20 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

I found stropharia like that in PDX near water in an area that floods so they chipped it for the sake of the trails.. now just grows everywhere spring and fall.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: cronicr]
    #24719405 - 10/18/17 12:50 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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Heck yea.

I'm trying to make the name stick on the Mushroom i found last year.

According to the microscopy it's a liberty cap.:shrug:

In honer of my late Mother. Dr Susan Hardwick Phd.

Psilocybe semilanceata var. susanii








Wasn't it run through GenBank? It's hard for me to believe that's a semilanceata. For a laundry list of reasons I've mentioned before. Not even looking like one starts that list lol.



Im still weorking on the gwn two indoor variety






I wanna say clone it..


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Shroomies1774]
    #24722593 - 10/19/17 04:57 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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Found these on a log, was only on the trail for about 5 minutes haha. Could you possibly be able to help identify these suckers.




Not edible not magic. Please don't consume.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mike O Voidenski]
    #24724593 - 10/20/17 01:30 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

I wonder how many times I've stepped or knelt in poop picking mushrooms and not notice.

I did see a big fucking junkie log right in the middle of a patch once. I've never been back.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Ullr] * 1
    #24903163 - 01/10/18 01:30 PM (6 years, 18 days ago)

Just checking in..

My beds from last spring didn't produce fall ovoids, but boy they are certainly nice beds. I'm sure they'll go this spring.

The paths I started doing Johnny Appleseed with have the beginnings of cyan and ovoid beds 3 years later. I'm hoping next year I'll be able to harvest.


End of October, I chopped up a bunch of azures and rolled them & butts in sawdust and buried in crumbled leaves and dead stuff from the planter. Forgot about them for 2-4 weeks. Thought they died so I added a touch of water and they took off.

Mixed that with newly harvested mosses and sand and soil etc. from a foray on the 6th. Harvested a few twigs riddled with mycelium and some hunky chunks.

The specimens I collected Jan 6th printed well but didn't make it to the dehydrator in time, so I'm doing the same and throwing them on top. Lot of old deaders (or close to it) went in too.

It's more of a small environment now. I'll get some photos up when I can either fix my image upload capacity or get a supporter account. Some really nice stuff I'd love to share.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Ferather]
    #24903520 - 01/10/18 04:37 PM (6 years, 18 days ago)

Bodhisattva fixed my image issue.

So here she is after rolling butts and tissue in sawdust and mixing with leaves. Forgotten about thought it was dead. Hydrated and checked a few weeks later:







Here she is a week after adding sticks stems caps deaders mosses etc









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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Adas]
    #24905623 - 01/11/18 02:25 PM (6 years, 17 days ago)

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I don't think I would recommend sawdust. As for wood type, anything goes, but they love conifers. If you wanted them to be really happy I would mix coniferous wood and beech wood chips.




Careful with conifers. Old leeched wood is great, but pine wood and bark is used in lieu of fungicides in two big cities near me, and boy does it work.

Alder sawdust is great if you wanna get some fast growth or get it to jump off heavy chips to get it more food. My last chip bucket I used alder sawdust to help fill in the gaps and make it a giant cylinder.

It's really best used like you would use a pinch of salt in preparing a dish. Too much is great for mold and other trash.

Edit: Alder dust. Get untreated pellets hydrate and dry boom.


Edited by Adden (01/11/18 02:29 PM)


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