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Secession in Catalonia
    #24673154 - 09/30/17 06:56 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Anyone have any opinions?

With kids in tow, Catalonia’s pro-independence parents occupy polling stations in mass act of civil disobedience

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SABADELL, Spain — In a mass act of civil disobedience, organized by WhatsApp groups, encrypted messages and clandestine committees, a small army of parents and their children occupied hundreds of polling stations across Catalonia on Saturday, hoping to thwart efforts by the central government to shut down an independence referendum that Madrid calls illegal.

The remarkable occupation of elementary and high schools, which in Spain serve as polling stations, set the stage for an almost surreal confrontation between pro-independence Catalans and their central government.

The defenders of the vote were not trained cadres of activists, but ordinary, overextended and stressed parents from the neighborhoods, who carried babies on their hips and entreated rambunctious children to stop teasing their siblings. 

As the occupiers were gulping coffee and sharing plates of pastries brought by volunteers, police units on Saturday started to sweep the schools to warn the parents that the buildings must be emptied by 6 a.m. Sunday, three hours before the controversial plebiscite is scheduled to begin.




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Re: Secession in Catalonia [Re: ballsalsa]
    #24673216 - 09/30/17 07:23 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

not surprising. socialism.


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Re: Secession in Catalonia [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #24673398 - 09/30/17 08:28 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Catalonia deserves its sovereignty
Anyone with an inkling of knowledge about their history with Spain knows that.


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Re: Secession in Catalonia [Re: ballsalsa] * 2
    #24673438 - 09/30/17 08:51 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Maybe it's because they pay a lot more in taxes than they get back in benefits.

Same beef as California has with the US.  :smirk:


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Re: Secession in Catalonia [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 3
    #24673471 - 09/30/17 09:08 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Same beef as the liberal states have with the conservative ones. Liberals pay extra to help out the incompetent red states who keep electing republicans that don't understand how money works.


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Re: Secession in Catalonia [Re: koods]
    #24673482 - 09/30/17 09:12 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Its more than just unfair taxation, but yeah thats a huge part of it.


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Re: Secession in Catalonia [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #24673547 - 09/30/17 09:42 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Secession in Catalonia [Re: akira_akuma] * 2
    #24673560 - 09/30/17 09:48 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I have a friend in that area who is concerned about the situation but considers it mostly politics. I spoke with her today and she does not seem too worried.

Now, a question for the hard lefties among us. You tell us the confederacy was treason but california breaking away is a good idea. What is your spin on this, treason or good idea?


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Re: Secession in Catalonia [Re: akira_akuma] * 2
    #24673569 - 09/30/17 09:52 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

The confederacy was treason because they attacked the North.

When California lays siege to Ft Sumpter you let me know.


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Re: Secession in Catalonia [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #24673577 - 09/30/17 09:56 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

he didn't ask you that.

nice deflection.


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Re: Secession in Catalonia [Re: akira_akuma]
    #24673585 - 09/30/17 09:58 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I think California breaking away could be good for California.

As a non-Californian, I'd rather them remain part of the union if for no other reason than to tip the political scales in my preferred favor.

I don't consider secession inherently treasonous.


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Re: Secession in Catalonia [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #24673636 - 09/30/17 10:17 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Secession in Catalonia [Re: Stonehenge]
    #24673654 - 09/30/17 10:24 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Stonehenge said:
I have a friend in that area who is concerned about the situation but considers it mostly politics. I spoke with her today and she does not seem too worried.

Now, a question for the hard lefties among us. You tell us the confederacy was treason but california breaking away is a good idea. What is your spin on this, treason or good idea?



I personally think the South should have been allowed to secede.  :shrug:


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Re: Secession in Catalonia [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #24673670 - 09/30/17 10:33 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

your ideas are not cogent.

labourers are just a surplus to companies, you want them to suffer, so the machine works smoothly, and you can cook the numbers. this is why people are revolting everywhere, end of story.


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Re: Secession in Catalonia [Re: akira_akuma]
    #24673697 - 09/30/17 10:46 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Mmmmmmmk


Fal does stoney still have you on ignore? He must have put me back on recently, dont know why i keep responding to him.


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Re: Secession in Catalonia [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #24673717 - 09/30/17 10:55 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I think he finally took me off ignore.


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Re: Secession in Catalonia [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #24673730 - 09/30/17 10:59 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

oh wow, such an interesting topic.


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Re: Secession in Catalonia [Re: akira_akuma]
    #24674537 - 10/01/17 10:00 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Welp, police are beating the shit out of people already.

Farmers have filled the streets in an attempt to block police from (continued) interfering the the voting process.


This is what democracy looks like! All hail!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2017/oct/01/catalan-independence-referendum-spain-catalonia-vote-live

https://twitter.com/diariARA/status/914403772528553984

https://twitter.com/MStothard/status/914383185936621568


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Re: Secession in Catalonia [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #24674550 - 10/01/17 10:08 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Secession in Catalonia [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #24674578 - 10/01/17 10:25 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

It's pretty sick.
when the cops start getting peppered with bricks and firebombs, I won't feel bad for them.
You have to be a deranged fuck to take that job anyway.


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