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mashrooman
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Might have found psilocybe medullosa, Sweden
#24672289 - 09/30/17 10:42 AM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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A couple of days ago i found what i thought was P. medullosa growing on a pile of twigs and branches from pine/spruce tree. I asked on another forum and from what you can see with your eyes they looked like them. I took a sporeprint and at first i thought it looked good but when it got compared too the sporeprint in this (https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22279072) thread and it was a little off, missed some blue colours. Soo anyone here got some insight, what do you think?
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Re: Might have found psilocybe medullosa, Sweden [Re: mashrooman]
#24672979 - 09/30/17 03:57 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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I can't identify I'm not an expert, but no one I'd them yet so, can u see blue on them I cant see any in the pictures? And that spore print looks brown ish? I hope u get an id soon
Edited by Mr.spores (09/30/17 04:00 PM)
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Doc9151
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Re: Might have found psilocybe medullosa, Sweden [Re: Mr.spores]
#24672993 - 09/30/17 04:07 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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Galerina perhaps?
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Re: Might have found psilocybe medullosa, Sweden [Re: Doc9151]
#24672998 - 09/30/17 04:08 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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Brown prints are usually a no go
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Doc9151 said: Galerina perhaps?
Caps are to striated I think for galerina
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mashrooman
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Re: Might have found psilocybe medullosa, Sweden [Re: Cham9085]
#24673320 - 09/30/17 06:02 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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from what i know about galerina(marginata) the caps dont striate this much. I had some galerinas growing just beside these and they were without striates. Otherwise it might be some kind of deconica.
I have been talking to Knarkkorven, the one who found some in that thread i linked and he thinks i could have P. medullosa.
Not sure i would consume them anyway but a interesting find if they end up being P. medullosa.
Edited by mashrooman (09/30/17 06:25 PM)
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Re: Might have found psilocybe medullosa, Sweden [Re: mashrooman]
#24673344 - 09/30/17 06:08 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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Interesting.
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Re: Might have found psilocybe medullosa, Sweden [Re: mashrooman]
#24673411 - 09/30/17 06:34 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'd guess Deconica.
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Cham9085 said: Caps are to striated I think for galerina
Lot of Galerina have straite caps, see this for example.
http://images.mushroomobserver.org/orig/400426.jpg
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Re: Might have found psilocybe medullosa, Sweden [Re: Byrain]
#24673465 - 09/30/17 07:03 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Byrain said: I'd guess Deconica.
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Cham9085 said: Caps are to striated I think for galerina
Lot of Galerina have straite caps, see this for example.
http://images.mushroomobserver.org/orig/400426.jpg
Yeah that's me still being noobish and only thinking of one species of galerina.
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Re: Might have found psilocybe medullosa, Sweden [Re: Cham9085]
#24673565 - 09/30/17 07:50 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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No worries, my understanding is that most Galerina species do not closely resemble G. marginata, but I have only looked into the genus briefly.
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Re: Might have found psilocybe medullosa, Sweden [Re: Byrain]
#24673808 - 09/30/17 09:41 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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I never would have considered deconica, I thought they all had purplish to purplish brown prints.
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Re: Might have found psilocybe medullosa, Sweden [Re: Doc9151]
#24673819 - 09/30/17 09:51 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Doc9151 said: I never would have considered deconica, I thought they all had purplish to purplish brown prints.
I thought they had blk prints
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Re: Might have found psilocybe medullosa, Sweden [Re: Cham9085]
#24673859 - 09/30/17 10:09 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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Deconica have purple brown to purple black prints much like Psilocybe, on a second look the prints are a bit brown, but they might still fit? Macroscopically I am drawing a blank on what else they could be, but someone else may have a better idea.
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Re: Might have found psilocybe medullosa, Sweden [Re: Byrain]
#24673966 - 09/30/17 11:07 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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Some Psiliocybes sometimes have straight brown prints.
Namely Ovoideocystida. I printed many that came out clearly chocolate brown. No purple.
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Re: Might have found psilocybe medullosa, Sweden [Re: TheHunt]
#24674145 - 10/01/17 01:13 AM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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When I first took a look at the photos, I thought it could be P. medullosa just as Mashrooman proposed. If not, it could be a Deconica. There are some species here with very few photos available.
And I think it's a species that is hard to identify with lots of close resembling little brown mushrooms.
They have the hygrophaneous, striated cap with correct color and umbo, adnexed gills, dusty stipe going from white to brown, and Mashrooman also told me on the swedish forum that it had the same smell as liberty caps, which I noted as one of the best id signs from the mushrooms I picked a few years ago (which was confirmed as P. medullosa by Borovicka himself). Also, when I compared the spore print color (after adjusting RGB with the white paper as a reference), they are in the same brown spectrum as mine.
But I can't tell for sure...
Also see these threads: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18690709 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20988490
Edited by knarkkorven (10/01/17 01:21 AM)
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Re: Might have found psilocybe medullosa, Sweden [Re: mashrooman] 1
#24675334 - 10/01/17 12:36 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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Was out picking some craterellus tubaeformis and walked past the place where i picked the (maybe) medullosas, but this time with a camera. I looked around some more this time and there is piles of pine/spruce everywhere, i found them growing in 4-5 different places. It is a pretty good mushroom year overall, mushrooms everywhere! Maybe thats why i found them on soo many spots.
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Re: Might have found psilocybe medullosa, Sweden [Re: mashrooman]
#24675382 - 10/01/17 12:53 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nice photos. Did you check these fresh ones for a pellicle?
I'm optimistic on your behalf, but you should get them scoped & sequenced.
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Re: Might have found psilocybe medullosa, Sweden [Re: Anglerfish]
#24675418 - 10/01/17 01:06 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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Are they growing from the soil or directly from wood? Whatever they are, they are interesting. This is the kind of thread I like.
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Re: Might have found psilocybe medullosa, Sweden [Re: Anglerfish]
#24675425 - 10/01/17 01:08 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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Very nice photos indeed! More gill shots would be nice too. But looks very interesting, I put my money on Psilocybe for this one.
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Doc9151
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Re: Might have found psilocybe medullosa, Sweden [Re: velho]
#24675455 - 10/01/17 01:17 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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You should consider sending one to alvalab to be sequenced. That would solve it, and I'm curious as hell as to what it could possibly be.
Sequencing isnt very expensive either. I think a good work up is $30 U.S.
Edited by Doc9151 (10/01/17 01:19 PM)
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Re: Might have found psilocybe medullosa, Sweden [Re: Anglerfish]
#24675476 - 10/01/17 01:20 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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On the first ones i picked i thought i could see some pellicle when i gently broke the cap apart. It broke nearly immediately though. I could separate something but i don't actually know if you count it as skin or pellicle, probablly just skin.
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