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Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? * 2
    #24663776 - 09/27/17 09:58 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Easy question. Is it disrepectful to take a knee during the anthem?
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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #24663791 - 09/27/17 10:03 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Sure. It's as disrespectful as vandalizing statues of TJ.

But one's illegal and the other is well within one's rights so I don't see any point in raising a big fuss about it.


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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: Patlal] * 3
    #24663796 - 09/27/17 10:04 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

they should take both knees and suck a dick. im over it.


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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 1
    #24663806 - 09/27/17 10:08 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

What I don't particularly like is the reasoning.


"I'm an athlete that makes millions of dollars, I'm special!"

"I'm black my ancestors (maybe) were slaves, I'm special!"



We are all slaves of consumerism and propaganda.
We are completely going in the wrong direction for a meaningful revolution that might actually make the world suck less.


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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: wrestler_az] * 2
    #24663808 - 09/27/17 10:09 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

White oeople that value the way things ate and were have issues.  Mental issues and issues with damn near everything.

People want change.  Change to the way cops and almost every govt service fucks people over.


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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 4
    #24663812 - 09/27/17 10:10 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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CookieCrumbs said:
What I don't particularly like is the reasoning.


"I'm an athlete that makes millions of dollars, I'm special!"

"I'm black my ancestors (maybe) were slaves, I'm special!"



We are all slaves of consumerism and propaganda.
We are completely going in the wrong direction for a meaningful revolution that might actually make the world suck less.





That is not it at all.  It's protesting cops shooting black people and getting away with murder.


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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: Morel Guy]
    #24663817 - 09/27/17 10:12 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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wrestler_az said:
they should take both knees and suck a dick. im over it.




:lol:


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What I don't particularly like is the reasoning.


"I'm an athlete that makes millions of dollars, I'm special!"

"I'm black my ancestors (maybe) were slaves, I'm special!"



We are all slaves of consumerism and propaganda.
We are completely going in the wrong direction for a meaningful revolution that might actually make the world suck less.





That is not it at all.  It's protesting cops shooting black people and getting away with murder.





Each case is circumstantial but some of them getting away with murder is opinion and not fact.


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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: Herbologist] * 7
    #24663832 - 09/27/17 10:17 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

No it's not opinion.  Shoot a guy in the back who is unarmed and running away is cowardly murder.  Shooting a kid with a toy is murder.

Just because your opinion is fully incapable of seeing reality does not make everyone dumb.


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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: Morel Guy]
    #24663835 - 09/27/17 10:18 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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No it's not opinion.  Shoot a guy in the back who is unarmed and running away is cowardly murder.  Shooting a kid with a toy is murder.

Just because your opinion is fully incapable of seeing reality does not make everyone dumb.





Examples? Proof/evidence of your stance?


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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: Herbologist]
    #24663837 - 09/27/17 10:18 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Have you been out the country?  In a coma?  Head in the sand?


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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: Morel Guy]
    #24663851 - 09/27/17 10:24 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
    #24663853 - 09/27/17 10:25 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

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What I don't particularly like is the reasoning.


"I'm an athlete that makes millions of dollars, I'm special!"

"I'm black my ancestors (maybe) were slaves, I'm special!"



We are all slaves of consumerism and propaganda.
We are completely going in the wrong direction for a meaningful revolution that might actually make the world suck less.





That is not it at all.  It's protesting cops shooting black people and getting away with murder.




Comes from the same root feeling most like. But I'll address that too, cops are corrupt as all fuck and black people aren't unique in that regard either.

Not really going to change that in any meaningful way either if all you want is police to be "not racist."



If there's anything to show how the American people have been turned to completely ineffectual children from media and educational brainwashing it would be all the 'protesting' and 'movements' that have happened in the last few years.


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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
    #24663866 - 09/27/17 10:30 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

CookieCrumbs said:
What I don't particularly like is the reasoning.


"I'm an athlete that makes millions of dollars, I'm special!"

"I'm black my ancestors (maybe) were slaves, I'm special!"



We are all slaves of consumerism and propaganda.
We are completely going in the wrong direction for a meaningful revolution that might actually make the world suck less.





That is not it at all.  It's protesting cops shooting black people and getting away with murder.



this



they are in their right to protest. their movement has become enabled due to the trump team trying to make it into a patriotic issue, which the vast majority of vets support their rights.


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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: Morel Guy]
    #24663871 - 09/27/17 10:32 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Have you been out the country?  In a coma?  Head in the sand?





No?  None?  Guess we can conclude you would prosecute on feels.


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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #24663879 - 09/27/17 10:35 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Comes from the same root feeling most like. But I'll address that too, cops are corrupt as all fuck and black people aren't unique in that regard either.

Not really going to change that in any meaningful way either if all you want is police to be "not racist."







if you don't think the black community has been specially targeted by the police and government then i ask you to look at statistics across the board everything from getting shaken down to driving while black to the just recently rectified sentencing discrepancies.

to get them to be not racist would be a good start, then maybe then can work on serving and protecting rather then harassing and turning people into profit.


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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: Herbologist]
    #24663883 - 09/27/17 10:36 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

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Have you been out the country?  In a coma?  Head in the sand?





No?  None?  Guess we can conclude you would prosecute on feels.



google is your friend, there are copious amounts of examples.


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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
    #24663886 - 09/27/17 10:37 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:


this






Nobody ever stands for a bus.

Did Don Lemon say this? He usually has something anecdotal to say, which hardly ever has any bearing on reality.


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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: ReposadoXochipilli] * 3
    #24663887 - 09/27/17 10:37 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Only the free folk never bend knee and last I checked we arent the free folk so I say we kneel.

i just rewatched all of GoT recently ok...



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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: XUL]
    #24663889 - 09/27/17 10:39 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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this






Did Xul say this? He usually has something anecdotal to say, which hardly ever has any bearing on reality.




not really sure what you are trying to say, the meme is about people completely misunderstanding what they are even protesting.


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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #24663893 - 09/27/17 10:41 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Im OK with it. I think its an awesome example of free speech. 1st Amendment FTW.

But i dont get the connection between kneeling during the National Anthem, cop violence againist blacks and football players. Hella confused.


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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #24663905 - 09/27/17 10:44 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

its that or block highways because no one gives a shit about other people, even more so if they are a different color.



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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
    #24663914 - 09/27/17 10:46 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

It bothers me from a respect standpoint. We should honor our dead and fallen soldiers for their sacrifice. Our past and how we got here, I guess that means nothing. These millionaire athletes disrespecting the country they live in. Go the fuck somewhere else! See if you will get paid that amount of money. No sense of patriotism.

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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: Alexthegreat]
    #24663918 - 09/27/17 10:48 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

When someone gets injured in a soccer game, everyone is supposed to take a knee in respect for the injured player.

Just sayin'.

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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #24663922 - 09/27/17 10:50 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

So far it's not protesting cops killing fb players. 

It's ya got these dumb as fuck white cops.  Sure some fear and steroetyping may be warranted.  Lot's of hustlers and what not in minority communities.  Culture and boundries.  Peopl want change and famous people have an impact on culture and culture can change laws and practices.

It's a fact judges are harder on minorities.

The personal reason I want change is for civility.  Mentally ill and felons don't get treated raurly either.  Law is a culture of abuse that should be far more enlightened.


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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: Alexthegreat] * 2
    #24663923 - 09/27/17 10:50 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

it has nothing to due with the flag other then using it as a stage to get people to talk about it. they are protesting police violence not the flag.

it was only turned into a flag conversation to get people to think about everything but the issue of police violence. it is identity politics, separate and divide.


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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: ReposadoXochipilli] * 2
    #24663929 - 09/27/17 10:52 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Comes from the same root feeling most like. But I'll address that too, cops are corrupt as all fuck and black people aren't unique in that regard either.

Not really going to change that in any meaningful way either if all you want is police to be "not racist."







if you don't think the black community has been specially targeted by the police and government then i ask you to look at statistics across the board everything from getting shaken down to driving while black to the just recently rectified sentencing discrepancies.

to get them to be not racist would be a good start, then maybe then can work on serving and protecting rather then harassing and turning people into profit.




Maybe it would be better to make it so that they can't turn people into profit rather than giving them racial sensitivity training?


I'm not saying that black people aren't disproportionately targeted by law enforcement. They are. And it's called racial profiling and it's different than flat out racism. Where do you think racial profiling comes from?

A number of sources and reality is surely one.


Perhaps though there wouldn't be so many crazy ghetto kids out there if we didn't lock their fathers up for relatively minor offences.


That's something you'd have to scrub out, for everyone, from law enforcement to the justice system. Shit is broken and it's time we fixed it. All the "they're racist" protest is asking for is what we are likely to get and all we can really hope for - a bureaucratic bandaid that sounds nice but does little to actually stop the blood flow.


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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: ReposadoXochipilli] * 2
    #24663932 - 09/27/17 10:53 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

It hase ZILCH to do with soldiers lost in wars.  Absolutely nothing and that's not what the flag stands for or represents.

How many poor kids and african american or hispanic or Asian or any minority got drafted to south east asia? 

If the flag represents american wars it's pretty confused.


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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
    #24663936 - 09/27/17 10:54 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, kneeling during the anthem is symbolic. And like all symbolic things, it can have multiple meanings depending on your background, culture, frame of mind, etc.

That being said, fuck the violent police!

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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: Patlal]
    #24663943 - 09/27/17 10:59 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

This is now a circumcision thread
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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #24663961 - 09/27/17 11:08 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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It hase ZILCH to do with soldiers lost in wars.  Absolutely nothing and that's not what the flag stands for or represents.

How many poor kids and african american or hispanic or Asian or any minority got drafted to south east asia? 

If the flag represents american wars it's pretty confused.




Not the flag... The anthem does... Have you ever heard the lyrics?


America was created out of war. And we like to pretend every war since was a different incarnation of the revolutionary war. That's why it's disrespectful and all.


If you want to challenge that it's fine, I support that. Again the only real problem I have with it is us addressing the wrong issues in the wrong ways.


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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #24663965 - 09/27/17 11:11 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Did you know that your poll temporarily broke my ability to reply? "1 new post while you were writing" and then the page wouldn't load.


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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
    #24663970 - 09/27/17 11:14 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

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What I don't particularly like is the reasoning.


"I'm an athlete that makes millions of dollars, I'm special!"

"I'm black my ancestors (maybe) were slaves, I'm special!"



We are all slaves of consumerism and propaganda.
We are completely going in the wrong direction for a meaningful revolution that might actually make the world suck less.





That is not it at all.  It's protesting cops shooting black people and getting away with murder.




Those cases already went through the criminal justice system, I'm not sure what else they want at this point.

If they want change in the criminal justice system they sure haven't stated that opinion.

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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: ReposadoXochipilli] * 1
    #24663976 - 09/27/17 11:18 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Comes from the same root feeling most like. But I'll address that too, cops are corrupt as all fuck and black people aren't unique in that regard either.

Not really going to change that in any meaningful way either if all you want is police to be "not racist."







if you don't think the black community has been specially targeted by the police and government then i ask you to look at statistics across the board everything from getting shaken down to driving while black to the just recently rectified sentencing discrepancies.

to get them to be not racist would be a good start, then maybe then can work on serving and protecting rather then harassing and turning people into profit.




"to get them to be not racist"

Yeah, generalizing all of law enforcement as "racists" is a great start to solving perceived racial discrimination.

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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #24663983 - 09/27/17 11:21 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Comes from the same root feeling most like. But I'll address that too, cops are corrupt as all fuck and black people aren't unique in that regard either.

Not really going to change that in any meaningful way either if all you want is police to be "not racist."







if you don't think the black community has been specially targeted by the police and government then i ask you to look at statistics across the board everything from getting shaken down to driving while black to the just recently rectified sentencing discrepancies.

to get them to be not racist would be a good start, then maybe then can work on serving and protecting rather then harassing and turning people into profit.




Maybe it would be better to make it so that they can't turn people into profit rather than giving them racial sensitivity training?


I'm not saying that black people aren't disproportionately targeted by law enforcement. They are. And it's called racial profiling and it's different than flat out racism. Where do you think racial profiling comes from?

A number of sources and reality is surely one.


Perhaps though there wouldn't be so many crazy ghetto kids out there if we didn't lock their fathers up for relatively minor offences.


That's something you'd have to scrub out, for everyone, from law enforcement to the justice system. Shit is broken and it's time we fixed it. All the "they're racist" protest is asking for is what we are likely to get and all we can really hope for - a bureaucratic bandaid that sounds nice but does little to actually stop the blood flow.




"Where do you think racial profiling comes from?"

The same place age, sex and social-economic profiling comes from, reality and statistical commonsense.

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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: qman] * 4
    #24664316 - 09/27/17 01:28 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

These guys aren't disrespecting the flag or our soldiers that have fought and died for our freedoms....They simply don't want to be told by an ignorant orange blowhard what they should and should not do.

Ask every one of these guys if they would fight for our country if our liberties were being attacked and my guess would be an overwhelming majority would say yes....some already have. This is not about being a respectful member of society, it is about Trump dividing this nation....yes Trump, the man who took 4 draft deferments to get out of fighting in Vietnam...I hope he is watching the Ken Burns documentary as I also hope anyone that has sworn off of NFL game is.He lived in a time where families of power and money bought their childrens way out of the draft..GW Bush went to the National Guard which was pretty much the same as a deferment at that time.

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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: Thayendanegea] * 1
    #24664456 - 09/27/17 02:17 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Yes it's disrespectful, that is the point.  They are stating that they don't respect the current state of the country.

I personally think the NFL can go fuck itself.

The NFL takes taxpayers money to build a stadium and then keeps all the profits from the team.

http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/30/news/companies/nfl-taxpayers/index.html

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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #24664609 - 09/27/17 03:10 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

They have ever right to kneel during the anthem.  I don't know if I particularly like it.  And other people I know for sure don't like it.  But if you think it should be illegal for someone to have to stand during the anthem you are everything that is wrong with this country and when those people outnumber everyone else this country is in trouble.  If that's made illegal then book burning will be the next "little" thing they will start with. 

Everyone has a right to do what they want as long as it doesn't inflict on others rights,  and I guess drugs and prostitution for some reason.  But as soon as we're not allowed to say what we want this country is done for.  I'd consider moving to Canada but I'd suspect the U.S. wouldn't like their freedom and waltz in and take over.  And whose going to stop them?  The only thing that can stop the U.S. government is the U.S. people.  And that's not even a guarantee but it is the only thing that can stop it.


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    #24664623 - 09/27/17 03:14 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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    #24664627 - 09/27/17 03:15 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

There has always been a anti-protest aspect of the states.  I live close to kent state where 4 anti-vietnam war protesters were gunned down by military soldiers.  Maybe Trump wants the country to be that fucking stupid again.  They love war when the money flows but haven't won a war since wwII.


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    #24664652 - 09/27/17 03:26 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Sure. It's as disrespectful as vandalizing statues of TJ.

But one's illegal and the other is well within one's rights so I don't see any point in raising a big fuss about it.



Exactly it's not about agreeing or disagreeing it's about people not being scared to peacefully protest no matter how retarded they are


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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: Cosmic_Flame]
    #24664812 - 09/27/17 04:28 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Is it weird that I would look at the footage or photos and see it as honorable to the country and its service?


People have done that sort of thing during particular times of crisis in the country or when someone close to them or their community dies in war or something. :ohwell: maybe I was just raised differently... To not understand that most people intend their gestures as an affront more often than honor...


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    #24664831 - 09/27/17 04:36 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

These dudes make ungodly sums of cash to play a game -- a game that only exists in THIS country. A lot of these dudes will bank more in a single calendar year than you and I will make combined throughout our entire lifetimes.

Without this American made sport most of these motherfuckers would be taking your order at Burger King or scanning your shit at Walmart or valeting your damn car for tips.

I think the shit is hilarious.

I'm not saying just because you were fortunate enough to bank millions through an American made sport that you can't stand up for what you believe in -- by all means. But how about using your 7 figure and up salary to actually do something productive towards that. Because yeah, kneeling during the national anthem of a fucking football game is going to solve the problem, lmao.


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    #24664872 - 09/27/17 04:57 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

I feel the same way.

How many of them are going home after the game and that its?  They're done with it until the next game?

They should be out there putting in the time and money if they really care.


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    #24664894 - 09/27/17 05:07 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Do either of you think they should be fired for this?


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    #24664896 - 09/27/17 05:08 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

That's up to the NFL


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    #24664902 - 09/27/17 05:12 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Well many trump supporters in the NFL are saying they do not think they should be fired and are disappointed in trump. 

Aside from that though do YOU think they should lose their jobs?


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    #24664916 - 09/27/17 05:17 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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These dudes make ungodly sums of cash to play a game -- a game that only exists in THIS country. A lot of these dudes will bank more in a single calendar year than you and I will make combined throughout our entire lifetimes.

Without this American made sport most of these motherfuckers would be taking your order at Burger King or scanning your shit at Walmart or valeting your damn car for tips.

I think the shit is hilarious.

I'm not saying just because you were fortunate enough to bank millions through an American made sport that you can't stand up for what you believe in -- by all means. But how about using your 7 figure and up salary to actually do something productive towards that. Because yeah, kneeling during the national anthem of a fucking football game is going to solve the problem, lmao.



I dont get your point, Kaepernick is spending quite a bit of money on charities to combat the issues he was protesting.
Public displays of civil disobedience have some merit. It gets people talking and thinking about issues they otherwise may not be aware of.


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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: Cosmic_Flame]
    #24664998 - 09/27/17 05:57 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

This video does an amazing job describing my opinion on this situation.


Here is a written opinion of mine as well. Where i get irritated is in the fact that its such a problem they do it but every other form of disrespect towards the flag for example is ignored. Like the fact the flag isnt supposed to be held horizontal but that doesnt stop the nfl, so why is one perfectly fine and the other so awful. Not only that but its not like they're kneeling just to kneel, at least not colin, the one who started it. He has done good with everything he said he would do and continues to do good today. Its better than the people rioting, killing, and looting. At least thats how i see it. Maybe disrespectful but you have to understand their purpose behind it. I see the whole "they shouldnt be protesting on the job" spiel pretty often. My view on that is that theyre still doing their job which is playing the game, they arent stopping that. Their job isnt to stand for the anthem. Likewise if its that much of an issue dont watch that part. "I dont pay to watch them protest" You dont pay to watch them stand for the pledge either lmao.

I also see all the hate to colin for this, you have to understand he is a good guy who isnt kneeling just to do that. Notice how (most)media never talks about what he does only the fact that he kneels. Yeah colin and other football players may be millionaires but they are doing this for all the people they arent and dont have it easy. Its easy to sit back and watch the the wrong doing in the world but for him to stand up(or should i say kneeling :rofl:) for them and do what they can to help I think just shows how he is as a person.


Side note, i think the people who go out of their way to burn, destroy, and/or get rid of anything football related just deserves to be laughed at. You already bought it, they already got their money, they dont care what you do with it at that point :lol:


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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: Acaterpillar] * 1
    #24665001 - 09/27/17 06:00 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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These dudes make ungodly sums of cash to play a game -- a game that only exists in THIS country. A lot of these dudes will bank more in a single calendar year than you and I will make combined throughout our entire lifetimes.

Without this American made sport most of these motherfuckers would be taking your order at Burger King or scanning your shit at Walmart or valeting your damn car for tips.

I think the shit is hilarious.

I'm not saying just because you were fortunate enough to bank millions through an American made sport that you can't stand up for what you believe in -- by all means. But how about using your 7 figure and up salary to actually do something productive towards that. Because yeah, kneeling during the national anthem of a fucking football game is going to solve the problem, lmao.



I dont get your point, Kaepernick is spending quite a bit of money on charities to combat the issues he was protesting.
Public displays of civil disobedience have some merit. It gets people talking and thinking about issues they otherwise may not be aware of.




If they're actually spending their incredible salaries in an effort to combat whatever ills in society that they see, or heck they don't even have to be necessarily spending their money -- just getting out there and really trying to do something (whatever that something may be), then more power to them.

However if all you're doing is kneeling for the national anthem before a freaking football game then you've contributed exactly as much as I have to this perceived problem. And that is zero.


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    #24665007 - 09/27/17 06:02 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Well many trump supporters in the NFL are saying they do not think they should be fired and are disappointed in trump. 

Aside from that though do YOU think they should lose their jobs?




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    #24665022 - 09/27/17 06:09 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

:lol:


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    #24665024 - 09/27/17 06:11 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Well many trump supporters in the NFL are saying they do not think they should be fired and are disappointed in trump. 

Aside from that though do YOU think they should lose their jobs?



Personally, i dont think so at all, they still go out there and play the game. Their job isnt to stand for the pledge and its not like theyre protesting the NFL. They wait and answer questions and everything after the game they try 110% on. Once they start playing less and wasting the time they should be on the field and using this as an excuse, thats when i think they should be fired. Right now though, they arent doing anything different that stops or halts their job performance.

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Well many trump supporters in the NFL are saying they do not think they should be fired and are disappointed in trump. 

Aside from that though do YOU think they should lose their jobs?




Yes, I'd fire every single player in the National Football League except the entire Detroit Lions roster so we can finally win a motherfucking Superbowl.




You're still riding the Lions train eh?

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    #24665031 - 09/27/17 06:12 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Trump was clearly kidding when he said they should be fired...


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    #24665067 - 09/27/17 06:24 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Well many trump supporters in the NFL are saying they do not think they should be fired and are disappointed in trump. 

Aside from that though do YOU think they should lose their jobs?




Yes, I'd fire every single player in the National Football League except the entire Detroit Lions roster so we can finally win a motherfucking Superbowl.




You're still riding the Lions train eh?

You are the definition of patience.




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    #24665076 - 09/27/17 06:27 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

In the same way he was kidding about "locking Hillary Clinton up" people still took it seriously. In the same way I think people take trumps words as truth. He has reiterated on it in his tweets though saying


https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/911904261553950720

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    #24665112 - 09/27/17 06:47 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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they should take both knees and suck a dick. im over it.




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    #24665551 - 09/27/17 08:59 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not a sports fan, and I think sports hero worship is a load of crap. Remember when the Dixie Chicks spoke out against Bush? That was the end of their careers. Id like to see that happen to the NFL, but it won't because lots of sports fans are stupid. I still can't believe that Mike Vick was welcomed by whatever team and city he went to when he got out of prison. Just goes to show you...

I just wonder how Americans will accept an American athlete taking a knee on the podium while the National Anthem plays during the award ceremony of the 2020 Olympics?


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    #24665567 - 09/27/17 09:05 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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they should take both knees and suck a dick. im over it.




Yeah these guys taking a knee are gay. lol!



luckily they are in one of the few countries that allows that. lol!

stop being so sexually insecure, just because the only reason you would be on your knees is to blow doesn't mean everyone is in the cocklove boat.

glad you gave your input. lol!

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I'm not a sports fan, and I think sports hero worship is a load of crap. Remember when the Dixie Chicks spoke out against Bush? That was the end of their careers. Id like to see that happen to the NFL, but it won't because lots of sports fans are stupid. I still can't believe that Mike Vick was welcomed by whatever team and city he went to when he got out of prison. Just goes to show you...

I just wonder how Americans will accept an American athlete taking a knee on the podium while the National Anthem plays during the award ceremony of the 2020 Olympics?





virgina tech trying to give him hall of fame and people are protesting due to poor character. mental gymnastics at its finest.


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    #24665586 - 09/27/17 09:12 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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    #24665590 - 09/27/17 09:14 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

They have the right to take a knee and I have a right to stop watching.  Businesses have a right to stop advertising.


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    #24665595 - 09/27/17 09:15 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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    #24665599 - 09/27/17 09:17 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Trump was clearly kidding when he said they should be fired...



what he meant to say was...

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    #24665615 - 09/27/17 09:24 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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    #24665655 - 09/27/17 09:42 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

I've never watched an NFL game and really couldn't give a fuck about the situation. What confuses me is why trump cares so much, doesn't he have more important shit to worry about like running the most powerful country in the world.

But on the bright side, I can't wait to hear Bill Burr go ape shit on his podcast cause politics has invaded his football :lmao:

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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: Patlal] * 5
    #24665683 - 09/27/17 09:56 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

No, it's not disrespectful. People are confusing nationalism for patriotism. We don't just have the right, but the duty to stand up for injustice & abuse of power. The powers that be have a tendency to disrespect the people. Protesting that is as American as it gets. Why show respect for the anthem & flag of a country that's run by folks that don't respect the people? I sat during the pledge of allegiance all throughout high school for that reason.

Crazy & sad how many people have forgotten where the fuck we came from. America was founded because the colonies got sick & tired of being disrespected by the British government. So they said fuck you, and formed their own country. They'd be kneeling right there with the NFL if they were alive today. The founding fathers made it very clear that they wanted to keep the government in check as much as possible. I don't get down with the riots, because it's not the 1700s anymore. Violence just makes shit way worse. We need to come together & work through our issues.....not fight amongst ourselves. But taking a knee.... that's a harmless way of drawing attention to a legitimate gripe. It's ironic & sad that so many folks that consider themselves "true patriotic Americans" are actually as un-American as it gets. And they'll never see that either, because they lost touch with the original dream of America.


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    #24666003 - 09/28/17 02:03 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Let's settle this. NFL players kneeling during anthem.





Let's settle this definitively:





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    #24666033 - 09/28/17 02:54 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

I thought I was the only one combining the two in my mind :awesomenod:

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    #24666277 - 09/28/17 07:52 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Can anyone explain how else they should be protesting?  I don't think any amount of money is going to make cops stop killing people and getting away with it.  Obviously taking a knee isn't going to change anything by itself.  But maybe it can get enough people talking that those who can make change will realize it's about damn time

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    #24666310 - 09/28/17 08:05 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Well if they really wanted to make waves they'd lay over and play dead.


At least it would have some semblance of what they're protesting.


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    #24666336 - 09/28/17 08:24 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Can anyone explain how else they should be protesting?  I don't think any amount of money is going to make cops stop killing people and getting away with it.  Obviously taking a knee isn't going to change anything by itself.  But maybe it can get enough people talking that those who can make change will realize it's about damn time




That's the problem with these protests, they don't articulate what they're protesting.

How can you ask for change when you protest for "social equality"?

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    #24666360 - 09/28/17 08:39 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Can anyone explain how else they should be protesting?  I don't think any amount of money is going to make cops stop killing people and getting away with it.  Obviously taking a knee isn't going to change anything by itself.  But maybe it can get enough people talking that those who can make change will realize it's about damn time




That's the problem with these protests, they don't articulate what they're protesting.

How can you ask for change when you protest for "social equality"?



You have a point there.  The message is becoming unclear as more athletes seem to be joining as a fuck you to Trump.  But my original question still stands... if they wanted to end police brutality what means do they even have to do It? No amount of money is going to help and I'm pretty sure those who care about what is happening is already aware

  I see both sides but it feels like some people are acting like "do your fucking job you football player, you are not allowed to show people that you are a human with feelings and opinions"
And for those in the military, I know you probably didn't fight for our freedom just to have cops go around killing our citizens and no one in authority is doing anything about it.

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    #24666371 - 09/28/17 08:41 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

The money goes to lobbyists who "influence" the government. The more they give they more they compete with the kind of people that profit off of our prison state.


It could also go to PSAs and commercials.
And organizations that will help families of victims and attempt to influence the government or the PDs.

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    #24666373 - 09/28/17 08:42 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

I wonder if we're going to see more football players taking a knee for Friday night's high school games, or Saturday's college games.

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    #24666384 - 09/28/17 08:45 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

I think these athletes, and celebrities in general, have an overinflated sense of self importance, so I want to see them taken down a notch. I really hope that there will soon be videos on YouTube showing these guys working as security guards, fast food cooks, and cashiers at convenience stores. Some pro athletes actually did take advantage of their free college education and have other ways of making a good living, so hats off to them.


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    #24666405 - 09/28/17 08:55 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Sure are some stupid opinions in this thread.  Made up media influenced opinions.  Ya know,what they say about opinions.  It's like your asshole, everyones got one and they all stink.

Uncle sam shooting unarmed people is nothing new.  People protesting it is a new occurance.  Never thought an illegal substance forum would worship cops murdering people to such a degree.


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    #24666408 - 09/28/17 08:58 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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The money goes to lobbyists who "influence" the government. The more they give they more they compete with the kind of people that profit off of our prison state.


It could also go to PSAs and commercials.
And organizations that will help families of victims and attempt to influence the government or the PDs.




I like all of your ideas especially the PSA and advertisements.  I really wish it didn't have to come down to people having to pay off politicians to change the system.  Idk it just sounds a little dirty but I guess that's what this world is coming too. 

What would these PSAs say?  "Be advised that you may be shot by police at any time, in your car, home or place of work.  Do not reach for your wallet even if they ask for ID.  Perform everything extremely slowly and warn your kids they might want to close their eyes."
I can imagine an anti police brutality billboard or commercial not getting enough views due to its controversial nature.

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    #24666417 - 09/28/17 09:00 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

The American thing is to worship police and military.  They do not need a warrant because good citizens have nothing to hide.


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    #24666436 - 09/28/17 09:08 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

fade in on a friendly looking cop

Cop begins giving advice on how to behave during a traffic stop.  Everything seems nice enough at first, but as he speaks, the music starts to become ominous.  The cop's expression slowly changes with the music to one of hate and malice.
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    #24666439 - 09/28/17 09:10 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Basically do you want you armed govt agents shaking you down like a suspected vietcong village?


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    #24666447 - 09/28/17 09:13 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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The money goes to lobbyists who "influence" the government. The more they give they more they compete with the kind of people that profit off of our prison state.


It could also go to PSAs and commercials.
And organizations that will help families of victims and attempt to influence the government or the PDs.




I like all of your ideas especially the PSA and advertisements.  I really wish it didn't have to come down to people having to pay off politicians to change the system.  Idk it just sounds a little dirty but I guess that's what this world is coming too. 

What would these PSAs say?  "Be advised that you may be shot by police at any time, in your car, home or place of work.  Do not reach for your wallet even if they ask for ID.  Perform everything extremely slowly and warn your kids they might want to close their eyes."
I can imagine an anti police brutality billboard or commercial not getting enough views due to its controversial nature.




Something like that. There are very particular things you're supposed to do when pulled over or stopped on the street and if you've ever watched cops you'd know some people are completely oblivious to this.


I got pulled over once on a 2 lane road with a medium and no shoulder and for a moment I didn't know wtf to do. I started to just stop in the road but then I realized it'd be better to get into a turning lane farther up. If it weren't broad daylight and my only offense was outdated stickers then the officer might have thought my ass was drunk.


So yeah the basics of how to react to police would probably be a good start.


@Morel I'm personally happy that people are finally opening their eyes. But I feel like they're opening their eyes and having tunnel vision on the color and texture of the shit and not how it's being made and how to stop it.

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    #24666461 - 09/28/17 09:17 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

It's state sanctioned murder.  Stop sanctioning murder.  Most cops are hardly trained and most of them have military backgrounds aka trained killers.  Now some worship those types cause their ignorant as a rock and bodly racist.


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    #24666475 - 09/28/17 09:22 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Bodily racist?


That's exactly what I'm talking about though. WHY are we not DEMANDING police get better training? why don't they get a psychological evaluation before taking the job? Why aren't they all wearing body cams? why does the justice system fail to make them live up to the law that they uphold? why the fuck are we telling them black lives matter and not pushing them to do something productive?


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    #24666487 - 09/28/17 09:25 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Killing is very productive.  It radicalizes the opposition strengthening the cause against them.  No such thing as bad press as Trump clearly proves.


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    #24666494 - 09/28/17 09:29 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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That's exactly what I'm talking about though. why don't they get a psychological evaluation before taking the job?




They do.  let that sink in for a second.  They get all sorts of evaluations...

US Court Ruled You Can Be “Too Smart” to Be a Cop Police department disqualifies anyone whose IQ is “too high"
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A federal court’s decision back in 2000 suggests that, yes, you actually can be.

Robert Jordan, a 49-year-old college graduate, scored a 33 on an intelligence test he took as part of the application process to become a police officer in the town of New London, Connecticut. The score meant Jordan had an IQ of 125.

The average score for police officers was a 21-22, or an IQ of 104. New London would only interview candidates who scored between 20 and 27.

Jordan sued the city alleging discrimination, but the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New York upheld that it wasn’t discrimination. “Why?” you might ask. Because New London Police Department applied the same standard to everyone who applied to be a cop there.

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“Those who scored too high could get bored with police work and leave soon after undergoing costly training,” ABC News reported back then. While at least acknowledging the basic fact that such a policy might be “unwise,” the court deemed it had a “rational basis” because it was put in place to lower cop turnover.

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    #24666500 - 09/28/17 09:32 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Killing is very productive.  It radicalizes the opposition strengthening the cause against them.  No such thing as bad press as Trump clearly proves.




His approval rate is incredibly low. I'd not say that. There'd be no way he'd be president if things weren't already super fucked up.


I mean better psychological testing...


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    #24666504 - 09/28/17 09:35 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Do some of them do it just to be comfortable? Yes.
Do the others do it to actually RESPECT the flag and the nation? Yes.

But it's because of those lazy few that the patriotic NFL players are taking the heat for it. I don't want to see any good NFL player exiled from the NFL because they took a knee. Recently, a Steelers player stood by himself in the stadium, in respect for his flag AND his country (he served in the military). And he has to apologize? For making HIS team look bad? No. Bullshit. THEY should apologize for making HIM look bad.

When I was growing up, I always saw these NFL players on their knees, literally praying to God... This was when when the Jets had GREEN helmets and the Dolphins had Don Shula.

Fuck what people say. They don't know shit. Younglings (20 thru 25) today are so butthurt about everything, they think they know everything about anything. They don't. They don't know shit.

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    #24666507 - 09/28/17 09:36 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Sure are some stupid opinions in this thread.  Made up media influenced opinions.  Ya know,what they say about opinions.  It's like your asshole, everyones got one and they all stink.

Uncle sam shooting unarmed people is nothing new.  People protesting it is a new occurance.  Never thought an illegal substance forum would worship cops murdering people to such a degree.




"worship cops"

Nobody here is doing that, we're just questioning what the hell these people are protesting about.

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    #24666524 - 09/28/17 09:48 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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That's exactly what I'm talking about though. WHY are we not DEMANDING police get better training? why don't they get a psychological evaluation before taking the job? Why aren't they all wearing body cams? why does the justice system fail to make them live up to the law that they uphold? why the fuck are we telling them black lives matter and not pushing them to do something productive?



See that's the argument of a person who thinks the justice system is, just.  Things are in place exactly how they were arranged in accordance to how the end plan was designed.  Don't hear what they say, watch what they do.... and you'll see how their intentions align.

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    #24666525 - 09/28/17 09:48 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Maybe you are acting as a tool for a weaponized device you do not understand.  Propaganda is made to confuse and divide.


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    #24666537 - 09/28/17 09:52 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Maybe you are acting as a tool for a weaponized device you do not understand.  Propaganda is made to confuse and divide.




Maybe you're speaking in generalities and nobody knows what the hell you're talking about.

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    #24666540 - 09/28/17 09:52 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

I am saying you protest protesters and are instructed to do so.


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    #24666548 - 09/28/17 09:57 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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I am saying you protest protesters and are instructed to do so.



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    #24666554 - 09/28/17 09:58 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

You all are going to totally confuse the next generation of young adults.


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    #24666567 - 09/28/17 10:01 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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That's exactly what I'm talking about though. WHY are we not DEMANDING police get better training? why don't they get a psychological evaluation before taking the job? Why aren't they all wearing body cams? why does the justice system fail to make them live up to the law that they uphold? why the fuck are we telling them black lives matter and not pushing them to do something productive?



See that's the argument of a person who thinks the justice system is, just.  Things are in place exactly how they were arranged in accordance to how the end plan was designed.  Don't hear what they say, watch what they do.... and you'll see how their intentions align.

The drug debate forever fucked them because that is one area where your average citizen has first hand experience.  Their strategy is the same all around though, observe.




I don't think that at all. I personally think everything needs to be scrapped and we need to rebuild it from the ground up. Recycling our good ideas and making it so that checks and balances actually check and balance eachother.


But most people aren't going to hear that so, since most people are convinced they must do things by the system, why not do things within the system that actually have a chance of bettering the system?



Last time I talked about this I said there should be a separate court system for law enforcement, just like the military, and it should be overseen by a federal agency.


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    #24666573 - 09/28/17 10:03 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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I am saying you protest protesters and are instructed to do so.




No, I'm asking specifically what the hell they are protesting about, what changes do they want, how are they going to go about it?

Just saying cops are killing innocent people doesn't cut it. :facepalm:

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    #24666581 - 09/28/17 10:06 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Ha ha ha, a seperate legal system is how the US miltary gets away with war crimes.

Whats going to happen is a wmd war that kills 2/3rds of the worlds popuation.  Just like the military always wanted.  There will be the same fucked up politically anti-education people that drive around with BOTH flags of the civil war dragging on the ground behind their loud ass polution machine truck.

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    #24666583 - 09/28/17 10:07 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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I am saying you protest protesters and are instructed to do so.




No, I'm asking specifically what the hell they are protesting about, what changes do they want, how are they going to go about it?

Just saying cops are killing innocent people doesn't cut it. :facepalm:





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    #24666598 - 09/28/17 10:17 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Because there's not anything checking the military's legal system...


I love criticizing the shit out of the system too but I'm also aware the only real reason we're sticking with it is because no one even knows how to consider different ideas.


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    #24666599 - 09/28/17 10:18 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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I am saying you protest protesters and are instructed to do so.




No, I'm asking specifically what the hell they are protesting about, what changes do they want, how are they going to go about it?

Just saying cops are killing innocent people doesn't cut it. :facepalm:





Ya cuts it or there wouldn't be right wing butt hurts




Well, if you think there's going to be meaningfully police/legal reform from making outrageous generalizations, you're just as hopeless as the protesters.

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    #24666603 - 09/28/17 10:20 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

The truth is outrageous but far from generalizations anymore than accustomed norms.

simple folk like their old time ways cause they are to stupid to live in the present.


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    #24666605 - 09/28/17 10:21 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Because there's not anything checking the military's legal system...


I love criticizing the shit out of the system too but I'm also aware the only real reason we're sticking with it is because no one even knows how to consider different ideas.





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    #24666652 - 09/28/17 10:44 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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    #24666685 - 09/28/17 10:56 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Maybe you are acting as a tool for a weaponized device you do not understand.  Propaganda is made to confuse and divide.




I honestly think both sides are acting as a tool for the same "weaponized device."

By making everything about "whiteness" and "white people" and all these prejudice and stereotypes they are pushing away "white" people from the cause.  They have has their minds pumped full of violent imagery from the biased media that purposefully downplays the white victims and holds different groups to different standards. 

Criticizing protesters is not the same as protesting protesters.

It does seem the "conservative" side has more rational arguments and consistency whereas the "liberal" side is being driven by emotion and contradiction.

But if you actually look at media coming from both sides, you will see that both groups contain mindless zombies who have a general idea of what they are doing but rarely is there an accurate understanding of what they are talking about. 

Both are dangerous as fuck.


One of the funniest ones I saw was interviewing a guy who was anti-Trump and pro-Hillary.  They asked how he felt about a few different things that Trump did and the guy was livid.  They then told him that it was actually Hillary Clinton who did those things and the guy looked like he had an aneurysm.

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    #24666693 - 09/28/17 11:02 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

no one hates america more than I do.  still, veterans gave their lives for this shithole.  So show some respect or leave. 

The anger and displeasure needs to not be directed at one another, but where it belongs (the us government).  The racism and all that nonsense is only causing further division, which is exactly what the people who are in control and that have power, want.



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    #24666701 - 09/28/17 11:04 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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One of the funniest ones I saw was interviewing a guy who was anti-Trump and pro-Hillary.  They asked how he felt about a few different things that Trump did and the guy was livid.  They then told him that it was actually Hillary Clinton who did those things and the guy looked like he had an aneurysm.




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    #24666710 - 09/28/17 11:09 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

I will admit I feel safer being white and not safer not being a veteran.

There just has been very bad situations of cops reacting and not making sound decisions.  The bar is set very low to be a low ranking cop or military person.  I disagree that we need these.

I say give everyone a cheap AK47 type 56 and let everyone have a go at it.

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    #24666717 - 09/28/17 11:14 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Yes and some other military faction would seize power.


People can't exist without these things.


Maybe with great education and good strong values... We haven't really been teaching these things though. We could have a nice mass communism if only everyone had a gun and wasn't stupid and blind and easily manipulated.


Buuuut they are.
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    #24666772 - 09/28/17 11:42 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

No system of govt has ever been fair.  Elites are always more influential.  Takes a lot of trouble for the lower class, the majority, to be fair to itself.  Every country is run by elites.


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    #24667233 - 09/28/17 02:19 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

the elites need skilled laborers and manual laborers.  they see people as slaves and they want to widen the gap between us and them.  They still need people to want to compete with one another, and have the drive to invent stuff.  then they can go buy them out.  like large banks buy out smaller ones.  They dont care if the world goes into another depression.  They see that as an opportunity to buy more land and what not at one tenth the price.


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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: sprinkles]
    #24667237 - 09/28/17 02:20 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

The elites at this point mostly inherited wealth.


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    #24667320 - 09/28/17 02:44 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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These dudes make ungodly sums of cash to play a game -- a game that only exists in THIS country. A lot of these dudes will bank more in a single calendar year than you and I will make combined throughout our entire lifetimes.

Without this American made sport most of these motherfuckers would be taking your order at Burger King or scanning your shit at Walmart or valeting your damn car for tips.

I think the shit is hilarious.

I'm not saying just because you were fortunate enough to bank millions through an American made sport that you can't stand up for what you believe in -- by all means. But how about using your 7 figure and up salary to actually do something productive towards that. Because yeah, kneeling during the national anthem of a fucking football game is going to solve the problem, lmao.




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    #24667380 - 09/28/17 03:01 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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They have ever right to kneel during the anthem.  I don't know if I particularly like it.  And other people I know for sure don't like it.  But if you think it should be illegal for someone to have to stand during the anthem you are everything that is wrong with this country and when those people outnumber everyone else this country is in trouble.  If that's made illegal then book burning will be the next "little" thing they will start with. 

Everyone has a right to do what they want as long as it doesn't inflict on others rights,  and I guess drugs and prostitution for some reason.  But as soon as we're not allowed to say what we want this country is done for.  I'd consider moving to Canada but I'd suspect the U.S. wouldn't like their freedom and waltz in and take over.  And whose going to stop them?  The only thing that can stop the U.S. government is the U.S. people.  And that's not even a guarantee but it is the only thing that can stop it.



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One of the funniest ones I saw was interviewing a guy who was anti-Trump and pro-Hillary.  They asked how he felt about a few different things that Trump did and the guy was livid.  They then told him that it was actually Hillary Clinton who did those things and the guy looked like he had an aneurysm.




Please can we do this to everyone with a strong political affiliation?





They do . There's also a video of a reporter asking Trump supporters if they agreed with "quotes from trump" and they all said either "If trump really said that I do support him 100% or even trying to explain why the quotes were good. Then it was revealed that they were all quotes from Hitler.


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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #24667436 - 09/28/17 03:15 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

i think as much as people do not want to admit it, they crave a savior and will latch onto whatever crazy person comes along and says he has a solution.

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    #24667461 - 09/28/17 03:25 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

I support it

America is and has been I trouble for some time now

We need to get out of foreign affairs over oil

And we have the epitome of a hateful arrogant condensending money grubbing prick in office

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    #24667495 - 09/28/17 03:39 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Probably world war vietnam.

Which is what the military thinks they need.


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They have ever right to kneel during the anthem.  I don't know if I particularly like it.  And other people I know for sure don't like it.  But if you think it should be illegal for someone to have to stand during the anthem you are everything that is wrong with this country and when those people outnumber everyone else this country is in trouble.  If that's made illegal then book burning will be the next "little" thing they will start with. 

Everyone has a right to do what they want as long as it doesn't inflict on others rights,  and I guess drugs and prostitution for some reason.  But as soon as we're not allowed to say what we want this country is done for.  I'd consider moving to Canada but I'd suspect the U.S. wouldn't like their freedom and waltz in and take over.  And whose going to stop them?  The only thing that can stop the U.S. government is the U.S. people.  And that's not even a guarantee but it is the only thing that can stop it.



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One of the funniest ones I saw was interviewing a guy who was anti-Trump and pro-Hillary.  They asked how he felt about a few different things that Trump did and the guy was livid.  They then told him that it was actually Hillary Clinton who did those things and the guy looked like he had an aneurysm.




Please can we do this to everyone with a strong political affiliation?





They do . There's also a video of a reporter asking Trump supporters if they agreed with "quotes from trump" and they all said either "If trump really said that I do support him 100% or even trying to explain why the quotes were good. Then it was revealed that they were all quotes from Hitler.




That's not as funny though. Aside from the whole genocide thing and ruling the world and all Hitler's ideas were kinda mediocre.


We as a society tend to falsely claim that everything someone does is bad if that person was bad and it's not true. If it were we wouldn't have taken all of Hitler's scientists.
We also play some stupid little game where if you agree with something they said or did we then accuse you of condoning all their actions and opinions.


The point of the Hillary Trump thing is to point out that silliness and hypocrisy, not encourage it.


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    #24667515 - 09/28/17 03:45 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

"Oh god I accidentally agreed with Hitler, what have I done?"

Is stupid.

"Oh god I accidentally agreed with Hilary, who am I?"

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    #24667671 - 09/28/17 04:23 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

I think the government has been in trouble, our institutions are in trouble, but all this division, you can tell it changed people when trump got voted in. I hope he does make some changes, I like what he did in flint with Obama.


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    #24667697 - 09/28/17 04:31 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

@CC I just see equal gullibility on both sides of that coin. The point is people are often stupid and believe anything they want to.

Also really? Hitler had some good :sorry (mediocre) ideas but Hillary is where you draw the line?


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    #24667742 - 09/28/17 04:44 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Its manufactured outrage, most of these retards mad about it Don't stand, take their hats off and hold hands over their hearts when they watch the game. These fake patriotic jackasses are eating up the divide and conquer game hook line and sinker.

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    #24667787 - 09/28/17 05:00 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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@CC I just see equal gullibility on both sides of that coin. The point is people are often stupid and believe anything they want to.

Also really? Hitler had some good :sorry (mediocre) ideas but Hillary is where you draw the line?




Honestly don't know enough about Hillary to say much about her ideas. She was just another politician to me so I never paid too much attention to her. Other than when I was a teenager and wanted a female president just cuz.


But I'm sure she's said some good things at some point. People say she more or less ran the country for Bill and if some of his ideas were hers then yes, she's certainly had some good ideas.


Never said otherwise.
Point was I don't feel it was an apt comparison, or as much of an eye opener for silly people.


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    #24668431 - 09/28/17 09:20 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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    #24668494 - 09/28/17 09:52 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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    #24668517 - 09/28/17 10:07 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Was fine by me... thought it was pretty nice tbh.

And just goes to show the state of affairs that even pro sports had to speak out.


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    #24668556 - 09/28/17 10:41 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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no woman should ever be president.  for many reasons.




Dissing your own kind?

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    #24668574 - 09/28/17 10:51 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Easy question. Is it disrepectful to take a knee during the anthem?



Title of thread Lets settle this once and for all.

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    #24668583 - 09/28/17 10:56 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

These players don't know how good they have it.  Americans are so spoiled.


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    #24668731 - 09/29/17 12:51 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

How good do they have it if the president wants them fired for exercising a right guaranteed by the first amendment? The first amendment isnt there to protect popular opinions, it's there to protect opinions that piss you off.

I thought Trump was so against political correctness. You can't get much more politically correct than forced symbolic patriotism like standing for the anthem. Now he's demanding people be socially acceptable in his eyes. Textbook political correctness.

The president took an oath to uphold the constitution, which includes the right for grown men to kneel during the anthem. The president, by demanding the players be fired, is violating their rights and violating his oath. He is prohibited by the constitution from punishing anyone - or encouraging punishment -  for simply exercising their constitutional rights. He should have simply said "I disagree with their statement, but it is their right to make it."

This whole thing is disgusting. The president shouldn't be instigating this kind of divisiveness. A real leader would be trying to solve it. His behavior is appalling. We have a man who wanted to be president, knowing that at least half the county didn't vote for him and like every president is going to be vocally and publicly disliked by many people. He's dragging this country into division because he's so fucking thin skinned he can't let an insult go without a response. He isn't fit for the job and he's a disgusting human being.


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    #24668734 - 09/29/17 12:53 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Accurate.


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    #24668767 - 09/29/17 01:32 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Taking a knee doesn't piss me off, people can do whatever they want. They have a cause they believe in and are expressing themselves, and although it is traditionally unacceptable to refuse to stand the anthem it is an affective way to get your point across. Personally I think standing and locking arms is a much more respectable way to do it and shows unity. What's annoying is the argument about it. This whole thing seems like playground children arguing. It's a shame it's gotten to this point especially considering kneeling for the national anthem doesn't actually accomplish anything. They should try actually doing physical things to make a difference such as Cliff Avril building a house in Haiti for every sack he gets. But as I said it's their right to kneel, stand, or lock arms if they feel like it.

What did piss me off was the black power thing, Martellus Bennett raising his fist that is just as racist as saying white powder and doesn't help a single thing.

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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: Led Zeppelin]
    #24668781 - 09/29/17 01:45 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

But you can't be racist if you're black..:shrug2:


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    #24668786 - 09/29/17 01:52 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

No, black power is not the same as white power. When you are part of a disenfranchised minority, calling for power or pride is rallying those who have been oppressed. Maybe you could get away with saying there is nothing inherently wrong with expressions of white pride, but the entire concept has been hikacked to the point that white pride = white supremacy.

Do you think a straight pride march is the straight version of a gay pride march? What about a march supporting disabled rights? You think an March for able bodied people would be at all appropriate?


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    #24668795 - 09/29/17 02:02 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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No, black power is not the same as white power. When you are part of a disenfranchised minority, calling for power or pride is rallying those who have been oppressed. Maybe you could get away with saying there is nothing inherently wrong with expressions of white pride, but the entire concept has been hikacked to the point that white pride = white supremacy.

Do you think a straight pride march is the straight version of a gay pride march? What about a march supporting disabled rights? You think an March for able bodied people would be at all appropriate?




How is black power in anyway similar to a "disabled march". That was the most racist thing I've ever heard. That was the epitome of leftist racism. You're putting black people down by segregating them in the opposite way of the nazis. I understand it was not a direct analogy but that comment was extremely telling of your beliefs. Black people are not inept and don't need to be put in a category, they are PEOPLE.

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    #24668804 - 09/29/17 02:19 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Wow, what post were you reading?


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    #24668820 - 09/29/17 02:47 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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No, black power is not the same as white power. When you are part of a disenfranchised minority, calling for power or pride is rallying those who have been oppressed. Maybe you could get away with saying there is nothing inherently wrong with expressions of white pride, but the entire concept has been hikacked to the point that white pride = white supremacy.

Do you think a straight pride march is the straight version of a gay pride march? What about a march supporting disabled rights? You think an March for able bodied people would be at all appropriate?




How is black power in anyway similar to a "disabled march". That was the most racist thing I've ever heard. That was the epitome of leftist racism. You're putting black people down by segregating them in the opposite way of the nazis. I understand it was not a direct analogy but that comment was extremely telling of your beliefs. Black people are not inept and don't need to be put in a category, they are PEOPLE.




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    #24668867 - 09/29/17 03:42 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Well, both are from minoirty groups. Blacks are minorities and so are disable people. Koods was listing various examples of minority groups.

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    #24669015 - 09/29/17 06:43 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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But you can't be racist if you're black..:shrug2:





Go do a Shroomery search on that phrase. Literally nobody says that on the Shroomery exept people of the opposite opinion, for the purpose of complaining.

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    #24669146 - 09/29/17 07:54 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

You can't be racist if you're black.


Just like how you can't be sexist if you're a woman :hehehe:


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    #24669227 - 09/29/17 08:22 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

I lose respect for them But it is their constitutional right

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    #24669233 - 09/29/17 08:23 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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    #24669271 - 09/29/17 08:35 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

When I was growing up it was "treat everyone equally." but it's been implied, more than a few times, that you're racist if you don't pity black people or some other minority or don't want to give them special rights.

Hmm... Are minorities equals or are they specials?


I've met kids in special ed that want nothing more than to be treated like any one else. They don't want your pity anymore than they want your shitheaded kids bullying them.

I find, not just in cases of color, that people who are seen as different just want to be treated equally. People who are all seen as equal want to be treated special.

Perhaps that is just human nature :ohwell:


Not to say that people in actuality should be treated equally. Disabled and elderly in Russia live locked up in homes or apartments because there is absolutely no handicapped services. There aren't any wheelchair ramps. In other countries the lower class and their children will starve to death because there is no social system to feed them. By all means give disabled people special rights, because they need it to function as normally as possible. By all means give impoverished people supplement wages or food and clothing because they need to have the most basically humane necessities. Don't give people special things because they look different or because their grandparents were treated different. I see you as an equal, I will judge and treat you as any other equal. I see disabled people as my equal (and not just because I struggle with disabilities) but if you need help getting up the stairs I'm gonna help you. I'd do the same for you if you're healthy and twisted your ankle. And I'll hold the door for a perfectly healthy black man... Or woman. Or white person. Mexican, Asian, native, whatever. And I will judge you by your actions. That is equality.


Now for assholes equality is probably treating everyone like shit but... Well they're assholes.
For me, if you want to be treated fairly and seen as an equal, you will have to treat everyone else equally.

I've met women who view and treat men poorly. They lose respect and the benefits of my respect.
I've met white people who view and treat black or hispanic people poorly. They lose respect and the benefits of my respect.
I've met people of many colors and genders who view and treat homosexual people poorly. They lose respect and the benefits of my respect.


That's true equality.
The only thing that gets a little leeway is people who view trans people in a bad light. And that's only because it's widely misunderstood in our society right now. It doesn't help its movement is still in its infancy and even supporters don't accurately portray what it's all about. In those cases I try to be the good bee and buzz in their ear a little. I can't expect people to not be ignorant when most people are ignorant about the exact same thing.

And still... Trans men or women just want to be treated like any other man or woman. And that wouldn't be a problem if we all treated everyone equally. And reserved judgment for character and not some prejudice. And if we all weren't assholes.



Point: you get nothing special from me unless you earn or deserve it and being "a minority" does not qualify. And that's how it should be.

I judge the black men kneeling in protest to our flag over a completely irrelevant issue as I would a white man or woman. I think it's stupid and you are purposely spitting on everything the country stands for... For some incredibly unclear reason that doesn't seem to have alot to do with the base of the country.

If they were protesting war or something it'd make sense. That I can understand and perhaps respect. This just feels like "I'm going to try to publicly disrespect the foundation of the country because I don't feel like I was treated special enough."

I dunno. Maybe I'm just really mad because everyone is pulling fucking publicity stunts but no one is actually doing anything to make the country better. That is something I can't respect. If you're going to have a movement you need to have a clear direction... Otherwise the bulls are just going to stampede over everything.


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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #24669281 - 09/29/17 08:37 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

I need to stop getting less than 20 hours of sleep in a week. ...it seems to make me ramble about only loosely related things.


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    #24669315 - 09/29/17 08:46 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

The stadiums are taxpayer-subsidized money pits, made of molten guns. They are nationalized, have dual-use under a declaration of emergency, are effectively govt property.

But, we're being told about how people have fought for our freedoms.

Have you actually read the Declaration of Independence, where there is a litany against King George III. (Memorization should be done in schools, or as a condition for citizenship.)

It pertains to taxation without representation and the quartering of troops. We are not supposed to have a standing army, particularly to tax the people and to maintain order, when not under attack. There is not supposed to be a separate caste of praetorian warriors, to round up the plebs, and put them in the stadiums, on orders from an elitist.


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    #24669378 - 09/29/17 09:09 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Like I was trying to say, I'd support protesting something about how this country is being mismanaged. ...saying that as mildly as possible... But I don't feel like that's at all what's happening.


I consider myself a true patriot because I support and uphold the kind of America designated at the time of our revolution. The American ideal I call it. We live up to it now less than ever and this is just another example.

Only thing we are doing better is the equality thing but I feel like some people are pushing for the opposite. Special rights for people who do not need or deserve it. Limited rights for people who do not deserve it. All because of some meaningless level of birth.


The only glaring inequality left to us is in business and in wealth. It is the super wealthy that is unfairly privileged. Not anyone of any particular color. The middle class and the lower class of all colors and genders are disadvantaged in comparison. We're dogs fighting over scraps. And we keep supporting our government even though it improves little because it keeps promising us we will get more scraps. Or more portions of the megar scraps we have.


And here we are... Growling and snapping at each other for those scraps...


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    #24669418 - 09/29/17 09:23 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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I'd support protesting something about how this country is being mismanaged.




Militarized police are reportedly charging people of imaginary offenses.

Have you ever wondered how security would have worked, in the time between red coats and today? Who would be responsible for police work and how.

Instead of us saying that everything is wrong, what is the right way.

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    #24669435 - 09/29/17 09:26 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

well well well, very optimistic of you.


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    #24669444 - 09/29/17 09:29 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Ideally people would protect themselves as much as the police and there would be none of this war on drugs shit, nor any of the other laws that gets people in trouble for no good reason.


But being imprisoned in swaddling may have made us too stupid to care for ourselves now as we would have with the kind of information we have now 200 years ago. :ohwell:

I used to consider these things pretty often but few enough people care about my opinion and no one is ready to really restructure everything so I stopped trying. I do think the skeleton and the frame of our democratic republic is good. It's the things we've built around it that is muddling things up.


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    #24669454 - 09/29/17 09:34 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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    #24669460 - 09/29/17 09:35 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

These protesters are pissing on a great chance to address some real issues regarding our current laws and law enforcement practices.

Instead, they turned it into a black pity party and blame "white culture" for not being fair to them, it's a disgrace and a complete waste of time.

I still don't know what they're protesting, they never said anything specific on what they're doing it for, it's really sad.

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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: qman]
    #24669473 - 09/29/17 09:41 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

They like to speak up into the air using invisible generalizations instead of making eye contact, calling a spade a spade and risking getting called out on their bullshit, according to my observations..


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    #24669505 - 09/29/17 09:51 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

They would have no more authority, than an elderly lady passing out pamphlets, in a tourist information booth, or a boyscout, rescuing kittens from trees, and would have to call upon the empowered, responsible citizen for help. And, noone in their right mind would harm a civil servant. You would want to protect them.

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    #24669724 - 09/29/17 11:19 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

:awesomenod:"Rev.":bow2: Jeremiah Wright is sometimes associated with the saying "God damn America", and with liberation theology.

They consider capitalism to be a kind of sin, and the martyred change agents to be a type of Jesus Christ.

Tebow was bowing, to show piety. So was Kaepernick.

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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: koods] * 4
    #24670112 - 09/29/17 01:24 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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No, black power is not the same as white power. When you are part of a disenfranchised minority, calling for power or pride is rallying those who have been oppressed. Maybe you could get away with saying there is nothing inherently wrong with expressions of white pride, but the entire concept has been hikacked to the point that white pride = white supremacy.

Do you think a straight pride march is the straight version of a gay pride march? What about a march supporting disabled rights? You think an March for able bodied people would be at all appropriate?




I think groups that chant black power and throw their fist up in salute and call for the deaths of people based on skin color are a lot more similar to groups that chant white power and throw their hand up in salute and call for the deaths of people based on skin color than you're willing to admit.


You can focus on their differences all you want, but their similarities have the same vile characteristics.

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    #24670329 - 09/29/17 02:28 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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No, black power is not the same as white power.





Yes, it is.


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    #24670425 - 09/29/17 02:52 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: koods]
    #24670517 - 09/29/17 03:18 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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No, black power is not the same as white power. When you are part of a disenfranchised minority, calling for power or pride is rallying those who have been oppressed. Maybe you could get away with saying there is nothing inherently wrong with expressions of white pride, but the entire concept has been hikacked to the point that white pride = white supremacy.

Do you think a straight pride march is the straight version of a gay pride march? What about a march supporting disabled rights? You think an March for able bodied people would be at all appropriate?




The opposite of pride is shame. These groups have been shamed by the outgroup, which was wrong, and they have every right to have pride and combat the shame. The thing is that it is the shaming which is wrong, so if these groups start shaming the outgroup, they too are in the wrong.

Part of the reason why white supremacy is on the rise is due to the shaming of white people, and the only people supporting them to be proud are supremacists.


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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #24670594 - 09/29/17 03:47 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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No, black power is not the same as white power. When you are part of a disenfranchised minority, calling for power or pride is rallying those who have been oppressed. Maybe you could get away with saying there is nothing inherently wrong with expressions of white pride, but the entire concept has been hikacked to the point that white pride = white supremacy.

Do you think a straight pride march is the straight version of a gay pride march? What about a march supporting disabled rights? You think an March for able bodied people would be at all appropriate?




I think groups that chant black power and throw their fist up in salute and call for the deaths of people based on skin color are a lot more similar to groups that chant white power and throw their hand up in salute and call for the deaths of people based on skin color than you're willing to admit.


You can focus on their differences all you want, but their similarities have the same vile characteristics.




What groups are we talking about here?  Obviously that's not what koods is talking about.  Like the BLM movement for example is made out to be anti-white because it is pro-black, but it is not necessarily anti-white.  The KKK on the other hand is pro-white and anti-black.  Clearly that is a distinction that should be recognized.

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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #24670802 - 09/29/17 05:06 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

BLM movement is made out to be anti-white not because it is pro-black, but because of the number of organizers in their groups that post prejudice and threatening comments about white people and have meetings that ban white people.

You can ignore information to maintain your perspective, but it is erroneous. 

Likewise, people who are paying attention can plainly see that the media is focusing on black victimization and downplaying when the same thing is happening to white people.  This indicates that the movement is being manipulated by "hidden" forces.

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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #24670812 - 09/29/17 05:10 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

So by that logic college fraternities are pro-white and anti-black?

I don't think I'm ignoring information, but I've yet to convince someone so obstinate and invested in their politics as you seem to be, so don't think that's what I'm attempting.  I was merely seeking a better understanding of what you were saying.

I mean there are certain subtleties and contexts that make this subject a clusterfuck, so I tend to resent anyone who comes across like they have it all figured out, but to me people who are like "straight white males are the true victims!" are just so grating and obnoxious.  Perhaps that is my own personal prejudice.

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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #24670842 - 09/29/17 05:28 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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BLM movement is made out to be anti-white not because it is pro-black, but because of the number of organizers in their groups that post prejudice and threatening comments about white people and have meetings that ban white people.

You can ignore information to maintain your perspective, but it is erroneous. 

Likewise, people who are paying attention can plainly see that the media is focusing on black victimization and downplaying when the same thing is happening to white people.  This indicates that the movement is being manipulated by "hidden" forces.




That probably because "the same thing" cannot happen to white people. It is impossible for it to be the same thing. There is no history of black people oppressing white people. White people have never been a minority in this country. It's not that people aren't paying attention, it's that you are trying to point out similarities that don't exist. The comparison doesn't make any sense.

63% of the US population is non Hispanic whites.

13% of the US population is black.

Yeah, hopefully the big scary BLM people don't overpower us with their numbers. :uhoh::meff:

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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #24670847 - 09/29/17 05:29 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

African blacks do seem to have some kind of culture, without the West.

Militant, American blacks have tried to appropriate everything from the pyramids, to the Hebrews, to Shakespeare. Literally, some have said he was black.

I don't think they want equivalence with whites, so much as to say that whites have never existed.

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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: durian_2008]
    #24670867 - 09/29/17 05:36 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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African blacks do seem to have some kind of culture, without the West.

Militant, American blacks have tried to appropriate everything from the pyramids, to the Hebrews, to Shakespeare. Literally, some have said he was black.

I don't think they want equivalence with whites, so much as to say that whites have never existed.





Yeah, that is some totally flawless logic right there. That is definitely not total nonsense.

This guy believes aliens built the pyramids.

:ancientaliens:

Therefore, white people must want to say that aliens built the pyramids.

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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: FlyOnTheWall]
    #24670915 - 09/29/17 05:50 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)



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According to the Nation of Islam, the Tribe of Shabazz was the only survivor of thirteen tribes that lived on earth 66 trillion years ago. After a rogue scientist blew up the planet, splitting off the moon, the other tribes perished. The Tribe of Shabazz relocated to the rich Nile valley of Egypt and the present seat of the Holy City, Mecca, Arabia.

It was a technologically advanced society, but one faction was led by Shabazz himself into previously unoccupied areas of central Africa because he wanted them to be hardened. There they evolved Negroid features. Malcolm X in a 1962 speech stated that,

“He wanted the people to undergo a form of life that would make them tough and hard, and the other scientists wouldn't agree with him. So this scientist named Shabazz took his family and wandered down into the jungles of Africa. Prior to that time no one lived in the jungles. Our people were soft; they were black but they were soft and delicate, fine. They had straight hair. Right here on this Earth you find some of them look like that today. They are black as night, but their hair is like silk, and originally all our people had that kind of hair. But this scientist took his family down into the jungles of Africa, and living in the open, living a jungle life, eating all kinds of food had an effect on the appearance of our people. Actually living in the rough climate, our hair became stiff, like it is now.”

A scientist named Yakub was a member of the Meccan branch of the tribe and, according to Fard, was the creator of the white race. The Tribe of Shabazz is said to have reached its peak in the year 4084 BC.




(Yakub, similar to the Jewish Jacob / Yakov.)

I would also mention that secular, state schools are named after Shabazz, lending to the moral authority of the Nation of Islam.

So, how would you have a constructive dialog, with someone who thinks that white people have appropriated high culture from black thugs.

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    #24670928 - 09/29/17 05:54 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: durian_2008]
    #24670937 - 09/29/17 05:57 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribe_of_Shabazz

According to the Nation of Islam, the Tribe of Shabazz was the only survivor of thirteen tribes that lived on earth 66 trillion years ago. After a rogue scientist blew up the planet, splitting off the moon, the other tribes perished. The Tribe of Shabazz relocated to the rich Nile valley of Egypt and the present seat of the Holy City, Mecca, Arabia.

It was a technologically advanced society, but one faction was led by Shabazz himself into previously unoccupied areas of central Africa because he wanted them to be hardened. There they evolved Negroid features. Malcolm X in a 1962 speech stated that,

“He wanted the people to undergo a form of life that would make them tough and hard, and the other scientists wouldn't agree with him. So this scientist named Shabazz took his family and wandered down into the jungles of Africa. Prior to that time no one lived in the jungles. Our people were soft; they were black but they were soft and delicate, fine. They had straight hair. Right here on this Earth you find some of them look like that today. They are black as night, but their hair is like silk, and originally all our people had that kind of hair. But this scientist took his family down into the jungles of Africa, and living in the open, living a jungle life, eating all kinds of food had an effect on the appearance of our people. Actually living in the rough climate, our hair became stiff, like it is now.”

A scientist named Yakub was a member of the Meccan branch of the tribe and, according to Fard, was the creator of the white race. The Tribe of Shabazz is said to have reached its peak in the year 4084 BC.




(Yakub, similar to the Jewish Jacob / Yakov.)

I would also mention that secular, state schools are named after Shabazz, lending to the moral authority of the Nation of Islam.

So, how would you have a constructive dialog, with someone who thinks that white people have appropriated high culture from black thugs.




WTF are you even talking about?

It seems like you are trying to argue that because this one crazy black dude has a crazy theory, ALL black people must agree?

What point are you trying to make?

There are 37,000,000 black people in the US.

The best estimate for the # of members of the Nation of Islam in the entire world that I can find is 20,000-50,000.

Put down the crackpipe, bro.

Everything about your post is very

:ancientaliens:

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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #24670951 - 09/29/17 06:02 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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A scientist named Yakub was a member of the Meccan branch of the tribe and, according to Fard, was the creator of the white race.




This means he is your rightful master.

Also, the "Five Percent Nation" branch says they are all God. :awesomenod:

Let's say that diplomacy is your own personal responsibility. Race relations are on you.

What next.

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    #24670958 - 09/29/17 06:06 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Put down the crackpipe, bro.



My stereotype?

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Everything about your post is very

:ancientaliens:




I came up with this and said it was a rational belief system?

What is your way of dealing with this, politely, besides pinning it on white people?

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I would also mention that secular, state schools are named after Shabazz, lending to the moral authority of the Nation of Islam.




They're just as entitled to their opinion as you are to your opinion, right?

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    #24670963 - 09/29/17 06:07 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Put down the crackpipe, bro.



My stereotype?

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FlyOnTheWall said:
Everything about your post is very

:ancientaliens:




I came up with this and said it was a rational belief system?

What is your way of dealing with this, politely, besides pinning it on white people?




Deal with what?

What is the problem that needs to be addressed?

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    #24670965 - 09/29/17 06:08 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

That doesn't even make sense.  The interactions of state representatives can't really be a personal responsibility, and "race relations" by definition requires the agreement of many people to solve.

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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: FlyOnTheWall]
    #24670968 - 09/29/17 06:09 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Public schools are named after this.

(I'll come back later, but I have responsibilities...)

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    #24670971 - 09/29/17 06:10 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Personal or public ones?

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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: durian_2008]
    #24670996 - 09/29/17 06:19 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Public schools are named after this.

(I'll come back later, but I have responsibilities...)




It is estimated that there are 20,000 - 50,000 members of the Nation of Islam in the entire world.

There are 37,000,000 black people in America.

Just for fun, I will double that estimate of Nation of Islam members to 100,000.

100,000 ÷ 37,000,000 = 0.00270

That means .2% of the black population is Nation of Islam members.

So less than half a percent of the black population in the US are Nation of Islam members.

Considering I doubled the number of members, it is probably even less than that.

100,000 ÷ 323,000,000 = 0.000309

Less than .03% of the US population are members of the Nation of Islam.

Gee, I hope they don't decided to rise up against the white man, we will be in really big trouble. :rolleyes:

Again, what is the problem that needs to be addressed here?

I genuinely have no idea what you are thinking. What are you worried about? What is it that we need to deal with?

Your concerns are not rational, so you are going to need to spell it out a little more clearly for the rest of us.

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    #24671027 - 09/29/17 06:33 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

I don't think this thread settles anything. :lol:


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    #24671049 - 09/29/17 06:38 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Still, it's more interesting than watching football :shrug:

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    #24671128 - 09/29/17 07:06 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Personal or public ones?




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    #24671162 - 09/29/17 07:17 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

:lol: I bet you and that guy could have a real talk conversation.

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    #24671164 - 09/29/17 07:18 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Lol, dude...wtf

:rofl:

Random YouTube videos are not relevant to this discussion in any way.

Are you even trying to make a coherent point?

"Look! These two random black dudes are saying things. Therefore, all black people scare me"

:ancientaliens:

Could it be possible, as racial conspiracy theorists suggest, that black people are actually aliens from another world that were sent to tear apart the human race?

:ancientaliens::ancientaliens::ancientaliens::ancientaliens::ancientaliens:

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    #24671180 - 09/29/17 07:24 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

If Trump really is president I think he needs to calm down a bit with his retarded bullshit and actually be a president. :taco::cheers:

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    #24671193 - 09/29/17 07:27 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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So by that logic college fraternities are pro-white and anti-black?

I don't think I'm ignoring information, but I've yet to convince someone so obstinate and invested in their politics as you seem to be, so don't think that's what I'm attempting.  I was merely seeking a better understanding of what you were saying.

I mean there are certain subtleties and contexts that make this subject a clusterfuck, so I tend to resent anyone who comes across like they have it all figured out, but to me people who are like "straight white males are the true victims!" are just so grating and obnoxious.  Perhaps that is my own personal prejudice.




If those fraternities publicly say shit like "Give me strength not to kill these black people" and hold meetings that say "No black people allowed" then sure they're anti-black.  What is so hard to comprehend about these things?

You can conveniently ignore information in order to preserve your position if you like.

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    #24671201 - 09/29/17 07:30 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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If Trump really is president I think he needs to calm down a bit with his retarded bullshit and actually be a president. :taco::cheers:



He knows what he's doing.  The NFL players took the bait.


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    #24671204 - 09/29/17 07:31 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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If those fraternities publicly say shit like "Give me strength not to kill these black people" and hold meetings that say "No black people allowed" then sure they're anti-black.




When white people do shit like that it pisses me off.

When black people do shit like that, I really don't care. I would probably hate white people too if I was black. :shrug:

It doesn't worry me at all, because there just aren't that many black people.

13% of the US population is black

63% of the US population is non Hispanic white

Even if all the black people were racists, I still wouldn't be that worried.

What are they going to do? Overwhelm us with their numbers?

Considering whites vastly out number blacks, white on black racism is much more worrisome to me than black on white racism.

I know that really bothers you SJW types, but I just don't really care. :shrug:

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    #24671207 - 09/29/17 07:32 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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If Trump really is president I think he needs to calm down a bit with his retarded bullshit and actually be a president. :taco::cheers:



He knows what he's doing.  The NFL players took the bait.



The president is not supposed to control or influence the NFL hes here to run a fucking country not be a fucking retard. :taco::cheers:

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    #24671208 - 09/29/17 07:33 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_University_of_Oklahoma_Sigma_Alpha_Epsilon_racism_incident

Ok college fraternities are inherently racist then to you :shrug: I mean I would say that is cherry picking, but I at least understand your mindset a little better now.

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    #24671214 - 09/29/17 07:37 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_University_of_Oklahoma_Sigma_Alpha_Epsilon_racism_incident

Ok college fraternities are inherently racist then to you :shrug: I mean I would say that is cherry picking, but I at least understand your mindset a little better now.




Refine that logic a little better buddy, it would suggest Sigma Alpha Epsilon is inherently racist.

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    #24671217 - 09/29/17 07:39 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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If those fraternities publicly say shit like "Give me strength not to kill these black people" and hold meetings that say "No black people allowed" then sure they're anti-black.




When white people do shit like that it pisses me off.

When black people do shit like that, I really don't care. I would probably hate white people too if I was black. :shrug:

It doesn't worry me at all, because there just aren't that many black people.

13% of the US population is black

63% of the US population is non Hispanic white

Even if all the black people were racists, I still wouldn't be that worried.

What are they going to do? Overwhelm us with their numbers?

Considering whites vastly out number blacks, white on black racism is much more worrisome to me than black on white racism.

I know that really bothers you SJW types, but I just don't really care. :shrug:




That's because you lack foresight.  The purpose is to make sure once the demographic changes occur, the mentality of "kill all white people" isn't prevalent enough to prevent future atrocities.

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    #24671223 - 09/29/17 07:42 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Ok college fraternities are inherently racist then to you :shrug: I mean I would say that is cherry picking, but I at least understand your mindset a little better now.




Refine that logic a little better buddy, it would suggest Sigma Alpha Epsilon is inherently racist.




Ok: members of college fraternities express a desire for violence and exclusion of black people, therefore college fraternities are anti-black.

People associated with BLM express a desire for violence and exclusion of white people, therefore the movement is anti-white.

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    #24671236 - 09/29/17 07:48 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

I mean that analogy is a bit flimsy, but I understand what you're saying.  BLM is not congruent to "all fraternities" but would be congruent to a specific fraternity found on multiple campuses.

I don't think all people who are a part of the BLM are anti-white anyway.  The purpose of BLM is regarding police brutality, the problem comes into play when their leaders spout anti-white hatred and to ignore such a thing is unwise.  Just like you wouldn't expect me to simply ignore shit members of a racist fraternity said.

Just like you consider that fraternity above as being racist.  One would extrapolate that the same fraternity has the same kind of mentality on all campuses it exists.  Just like one would conclude such a thing regarding BLM when their leaders ask for strength not to kill white people- which implies they are carrying around resentment so strong they want to murder people for their skin color. 

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    #24671255 - 09/29/17 08:06 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

I mean I don't think BLM really has leaders officially.  It's more of an amorphous movement, so I mean of course crazy and opportunistic people are going to latch onto it, both in support and opposition. 

When you kind of set all that aside, I mean it's clear that racism is still a problem, and black people are subject to certain immediate and inescapable oppression to a larger degree than white people. 

This isn't the fault of white people, nor is it what is going on every time a black person has a gripe, but it is a societal issue and the ideal situation is everyone being treated as equals.  That is a huge foundation of America and it's influence on the world.  It's something that needs to be embraced, treating people as equals regardless of skin color or where they come from.

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    #24671260 - 09/29/17 08:09 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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The purpose is to make sure once the demographic changes occur, the mentality of "kill all white people" isn't prevalent enough to prevent future atrocities.




In 1992, 13% of the US population was black.

In 2017, 13% of the US population is black.

Gee, at this rate black people are going to outnumber us any day now. :uhoh:

It's not that I lack foresight, it's that I lack methamphetamine induced paranoia, or whatever it is that makes you think the way you do.

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    #24671266 - 09/29/17 08:13 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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This isn't the fault of white people, nor is it what is going on every time a black person has a gripe, but it is a societal issue and the ideal situation is everyone being treated as equals.  That is a huge foundation of America and it's influence on the world.  It's something that needs to be embraced, treating people as equals regardless of skin color or where they come from.




Everyone being treated as equals is kind of the point I'm making...  Being prejudice and discriminating against people for their skin color is wrong no matter how justified you believe the people doing it are.  I can understand why someone would feel the way they do, but I'm saying that feeling like that is destructive and contrary to the views they claim to be against.

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It's not just "black people" expressing anti-white hatred.  The population of "white people" is dropping every decade, so yes you do lack foresight.

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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #24671269 - 09/29/17 08:15 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

I agree, bro. Black people are super scary. I hope I can sleep tonight after this thread.

edit: When black people outnumber us, I will start to be concerned about black on white racism.

I hope you aren't holding your breath, though. Because that isn't going to happen in our lifetime.

Or our children's lifetime.

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    #24671279 - 09/29/17 08:22 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

LOL no one said black people are scary.  I've spoken to many "black people" about this issue and some agree, some don't.

People calling for genocide is something that ought to be held to the same standard across the board.  I'm glad you've made your position clear that you don't take people seriously when they call for ethnic cleansing.  Must be because you're racist and don't think there's black people that have the capacity to attempt such a thing.

You're position is that we shouldn't worry about it until it's too late?  How profound.

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    #24671286 - 09/29/17 08:24 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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LOL no one said black people are scary.  I've spoken to many "black people" about this issue and some agree, some don't.

People calling for genocide is something that ought to be held to the same standard across the board.  I'm glad you've made your position clear that you don't take people seriously when they call for ethnic cleansing.  Must be because you're racist and don't think there's black people that have the capacity to attempt such a thing.

You're position is that we shouldn't worry about it until it's too late?  How profound.




Enough with the virtue signaling, yeesh. So tired of all these SJWs telling me what I should be outraged or worried about. :rolleyes:

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    #24671290 - 09/29/17 08:31 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, saying "all calls to genocide should be treated the same" is equal to saying "I'm a white privileged non-cis, non-binary, non-reproducing pansexual and I hate all white people, see how woke I am!"  Total SJW.

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    #24671296 - 09/29/17 08:32 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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This isn't the fault of white people, nor is it what is going on every time a black person has a gripe, but it is a societal issue and the ideal situation is everyone being treated as equals.  That is a huge foundation of America and it's influence on the world.  It's something that needs to be embraced, treating people as equals regardless of skin color or where they come from.




Everyone being treated as equals is kind of the point I'm making...  Being prejudice and discriminating against people for their skin color is wrong no matter how justified you believe the people doing it are.  I can understand why someone would feel the way they do, but I'm saying that feeling like that is destructive and contrary to the views they claim to be against.

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It's not just "black people" expressing anti-white hatred.  The population of "white people" is dropping every decade, so yes you do lack foresight.




I'd like to see a source for that last bit, just because I'm curious what you mean there. 

I agree that it is highly irresponsible and counterproductive for any black person to advocate racial violence or segregation for any reason, but they are not the only ones getting away with advocating for racial violence in America, because we allow freedom of speech to a certain degree.

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    #24671314 - 09/29/17 08:43 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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I agree, bro. Black people are super scary. I hope I can sleep tonight after this thread.

edit: When black people outnumber us, I will start to be concerned about black on white racism.

I hope you aren't holding your breath, though. Because that isn't going to happen in our lifetime.

Or our children's lifetime.




What does the percentage of the population matter, that's a senseless argument.

Whites only make up 10% of South Africa's population.

According to your line of reasoning, blacks should have no concern about them being racist.

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    #24671318 - 09/29/17 08:44 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

I'm pretty sure there's been mad protests against white supremacist organizing.  I'm just asking that there be honesty and consistency when it comes to calling for ethnic cleansing or racial violence.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/percentage-non-hispanic-whites-hits-all-time-63-article-1.1371772

The fact is that in the future there will be less and less white people.  There will be a point where white people are not a majority, and then there will be a point where they will be the minority, and then there might come a time where they barely exist at all.  Birth rates are below replacement levels.  They don't tend to reverse course. 

I'm just trying to point out that there are trends which are growing in popularity that might suggest once white people are a minority things are going to be unpleasant.  I'm am not saying that white people should be fearful of black people, but that they should address these issues that clearly exist.  Denying them doesn't make them go away.

Honestly, the people who act like black people calling for ethnic cleansing of white people isn't a big deal are the real ones who are "comfortable in their white supremacy."


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    #24671337 - 09/29/17 08:50 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

We will see what they do Sunday, I have not read the older posts, you all make good points.

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    #24671347 - 09/29/17 08:54 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm pretty sure there's been mad protests against white supremacist organizing.  I'm just asking that there be honesty and consistency when it comes to calling for ethnic cleansing or racial violence.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/percentage-non-hispanic-whites-hits-all-time-63-article-1.1371772

The fact is that in the future there will be less and less white people.  There will be a point where white people are not a majority, and then there will be a point where they will be the minority, and then there might come a time where they barely exist at all.  Birth rates are below replacement levels.  They don't tend to reverse course. 

I'm just trying to point out that there are trends which are growing in popularity that might suggest once white people are a minority things are going to be unpleasant.  I'm am not saying that white people should be fearful of black people, but that they should address these issues that clearly exist.  Denying them doesn't make them go away.

Honestly, the people who act like black people calling for ethnic cleansing of white people isn't a big deal are the real ones who are "comfortable in their white supremacy."




Not that I agree with your stance, but say this is a threat, what is the response you'd see as appropriate.  Say diplomatics is your personal responsibility, what is your racial stance? 

Are you just uncomfortable that people are exercising their right to protest, or more upset that white people are not meeting them with counter protests just so things are fair?

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    #24671364 - 09/29/17 08:58 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm pretty sure there's been mad protests against white supremacist organizing.  I'm just asking that there be honesty and consistency when it comes to calling for ethnic cleansing or racial violence.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/percentage-non-hispanic-whites-hits-all-time-63-article-1.1371772

The fact is that in the future there will be less and less white people.  There will be a point where white people are not a majority, and then there will be a point where they will be the minority, and then there might come a time where they barely exist at all.  Birth rates are below replacement levels.  They don't tend to reverse course. 

I'm just trying to point out that there are trends which are growing in popularity that might suggest once white people are a minority things are going to be unpleasant.  I'm am not saying that white people should be fearful of black people, but that they should address these issues that clearly exist.  Denying them doesn't make them go away.

Honestly, the people who act like black people calling for ethnic cleansing of white people isn't a big deal are the real ones who are "comfortable in their white supremacy."




Not that I agree with your stance, but say this is a threat, what is the response you'd see as appropriate.  Say diplomatics is your personal responsibility, what is your racial stance? 

Are you just uncomfortable that people are exercising their right to protest, or more upset that white people are not meeting them with counter protests just so things are fair?




I believe 60 percent of America will soon be hispanic by creed. Anyhow apologize to vice your post.

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    #24671371 - 09/29/17 09:01 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Hispanic is not a creed, this is a creed:


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    #24671379 - 09/29/17 09:03 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

I'm concerned with the lack of acknowledgement of the nature of these groups and their existence let alone that the Super Bowl had a performance where everyone cheered for a group that has pictures of a guy on their website who calls for killing white babies the moment they get out of the womb.


I do not have a solution other than to draw attention to the issue and hold people accountable for calls to violence.


I also find it concerning that when trying to have a conversation about it the issues aren't addressed and the discussion degrades to mockery and misrepresentation of ideas.

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    #24671386 - 09/29/17 09:04 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Hispanic is not a creed, this is a creed:






I guess race, great song take care man!!!

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    #24671387 - 09/29/17 09:05 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Whites only make up 10% of South Africa's population.





If you lived in South Africa and you came on here and complained about the racism you face, I would be truly sympathetic.

But when white people in America complain about racism from black people...nah

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    #24671394 - 09/29/17 09:06 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

At least you acknowledge that you aren't actually against racism/racial prejudice.

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    #24671400 - 09/29/17 09:08 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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At least you acknowledge that you aren't actually against racism/racial prejudice.




I am about to get triggered by all this virtue signaling :uhoh:

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At least you acknowledge that you aren't actually against racism/racial prejudice.




I am about to get triggered by all this virtue signaling :uhoh:




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    #24671406 - 09/29/17 09:10 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

When a discussion resorts to mockery, then the debate is over and you lose.


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    #24671428 - 09/29/17 09:16 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

This debate was over before it started. Most everybody had already decided what side they were on before the protests even happened. Not saying that is a good thing, just saying I think that's how it is.

We are pretty much just trying to out troll each other at this point.

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    #24671433 - 09/29/17 09:17 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

It's not about "sides" but thanks for playing.

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    #24671436 - 09/29/17 09:18 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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    #24671625 - 09/29/17 10:26 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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BLM movement is made out to be anti-white not because it is pro-black, but because of the number of organizers in their groups that post prejudice and threatening comments about white people and have meetings that ban white people.

You can ignore information to maintain your perspective, but it is erroneous. 

Likewise, people who are paying attention can plainly see that the media is focusing on black victimization and downplaying when the same thing is happening to white people.  This indicates that the movement is being manipulated by "hidden" forces.




That probably because "the same thing" cannot happen to white people. It is impossible for it to be the same thing. There is no history of black people oppressing white people. White people have never been a minority in this country. It's not that people aren't paying attention, it's that you are trying to point out similarities that don't exist. The comparison doesn't make any sense.

63% of the US population is non Hispanic whites.

13% of the US population is black.

Yeah, hopefully the big scary BLM people don't overpower us with their numbers. :uhoh::meff:




Nice strawmen. No one is talking about numbers but you. How big an organization or group is doesn't matter.
Also what's this casual assumption that all BLM people are black? That's pretty racist of you. There's tons of white SJW BLM members. And people from all different races.

It's pretty telling, when people are trying to point out that groups calling for white genocide is wrong
And your response is basically, "Nah, people calling for white genocide doesn't bother me, blacks are only 13% of the population"
Yeah because who cares about cancerous thoughts and calls for genocide.... as long as they aren't a majority of the population or saying it against blacks, that isn't a problem :flowstone:

Literally nobody is saying blacks are super scary, you are making up arguments in your head to argue against :cookiemonster:

people are saying everyone should be held to the same standards, and people from groups like BLM calling for white genocide should be ostracized just as bad as a white person calling for genocide.

But no... it's ok for blacks to call for genocide, they get a pass because of "White privilege".

The mental gymnastics it takes to pull this off, I don't know how you super liberals live with the cognitive dissonance. All we ask for is consistency, but I guess that's impossible. 


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    #24671656 - 09/29/17 11:07 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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BLM movement is made out to be anti-white not because it is pro-black, but because of the number of organizers in their groups that post prejudice and threatening comments about white people and have meetings that ban white people.

You can ignore information to maintain your perspective, but it is erroneous. 

Likewise, people who are paying attention can plainly see that the media is focusing on black victimization and downplaying when the same thing is happening to white people.  This indicates that the movement is being manipulated by "hidden" forces.




That probably because "the same thing" cannot happen to white people. It is impossible for it to be the same thing. There is no history of black people oppressing white people. White people have never been a minority in this country. It's not that people aren't paying attention, it's that you are trying to point out similarities that don't exist. The comparison doesn't make any sense.

63% of the US population is non Hispanic whites.

13% of the US population is black.

Yeah, hopefully the big scary BLM people don't overpower us with their numbers. :uhoh::meff:




Nice strawmen. No one is talking about numbers but you. How big an organization or group is doesn't matter.
Also what's this casual assumption that all BLM people are black? That's pretty racist of you. There's tons of white SJW BLM members. And people from all different races.

It's pretty telling, when people are trying to point out that groups calling for white genocide is wrong
And your response is basically, "Nah, people calling for white genocide doesn't bother me, blacks are only 13% of the population"
Yeah because who cares about cancerous thoughts and calls for genocide.... as long as they aren't a majority of the population or saying it against blacks, that isn't a problem :flowstone:

Literally nobody is saying blacks are super scary, you are making up arguments in your head to argue against :cookiemonster:

people are saying everyone should be held to the same standards, and people from groups like BLM calling for white genocide should be ostracized just as bad as a white person calling for genocide.

But no... it's ok for blacks to call for genocide, they get a pass because of "White privilege".

The mental gymnastics it takes to pull this off, I don't know how you super liberals live with the cognitive dissonance. All we ask for is consistency, but I guess that's impossible. 




Please stop with the virtue signaling. We get it. You are a huge social justice warrior.

:triggered:

When did the Shroomery turn into an antifa circle jerk?



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Honestly, the people who act like black people calling for ethnic cleansing of white people isn't a big deal are the real ones who are "comfortable in their white supremacy."



:whathesaid:

That attitude allows you to ignore their needs.

Also, having double standards is like a form of "bigotry of low expectations". Why should we hold them to a different moral standard? Even if their hatred for white people is 'justified', does that make it right/acceptable?


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    #24672698 - 09/30/17 02:24 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

I am an employer (not tax subsidized) and I believe in the dignity of labor.

But, in what respect do you believe they can be satisfied, fully, once, and for all?

These people are saying you should give them your house; you don't belong in it. You have misnamed the country and are not a member of the human race.

I don't personally believe that you can make compromises fast enough to satisfy a subversive. There would be something wrong with putting your head between your knees and holding out your wallet.

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    #24672743 - 09/30/17 02:42 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)




They're telling you to please be quiet, during their protests, or, at least, be human shields, to distract the police. How are you even allowed to make their lives better, without them feeling patronized.

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    #24672799 - 09/30/17 02:57 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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These people are saying you should give them your house; you don't belong in it. You have misnamed the country and are not a member of the human race.

I don't personally believe that you can make compromises fast enough to satisfy a subversive. There would be something wrong with putting your head between your knees and holding out your wallet.




Who is saying that? Some random people in a YouTube video you saw?

Nobody is saying that.

I have known many black people, as well as many, many Natives (Navajo & Hopi)

None of them have ever asked me to give them my house.

Like...WTF are you even talking about?

You sound like somebody who should not be using drugs.

Not joking at all. The idea that you are using powerfully mind altering substances like mushrooms is genuinely worrisome.

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Re: Let's settle this. NFL p,layers kneeling during anthem. Yay or nay? [Re: FlyOnTheWall] * 1
    #24672818 - 09/30/17 03:01 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

You know I don't think I have ever met a radical liberal or an alt right extremist in person.


Well... at least not one that wasn't clearly suffering from a drug induced meltdown.


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    #24672829 - 09/30/17 03:03 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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I am an employer (not tax subsidized) and I believe in the dignity of labor.




So you don't offer health insurance


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    #24672836 - 09/30/17 03:05 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

I am actually being specific, so as to say that I am talking about subversives and change agents and, yes, these particular Youtubers. 

I don't really know about your (random-to-me) minority friends and don't have a guilty conscience. 

But, why are the crazy ones still able to drive cars and influence public opinion, if you were so quick to question my liberties. It's a literal question. How does that work, without proactively taking from another more-stable person, against their will.

I see that these are weird people. I am posting something silly and ridiculous. I get that.

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    #24672850 - 09/30/17 03:09 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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I am an employer (not tax subsidized) and I believe in the dignity of labor.



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So you don't offer health insurance




I don't garner peoples' pay. Be compliant, on your own time, at your own comfort level.

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    #24672957 - 09/30/17 03:50 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

So you let them fend for themselves, despite the fact that we live in a country where health insurance is traditionally provided by employers.


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    #24673008 - 09/30/17 04:12 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)



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    #24673090 - 09/30/17 04:38 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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no woman should ever be president.  for many reasons.




Dissing your own kind?

Not cool....






yeah whatever lady.  i will do and say whatever i want, whether you or anyone  else thinks its cool or not. i just really dont give s shit.


btw feminism ruined this country. 


i wouldnt vote for a woman, we tend to be emotional creatures.  she'll push the button. the biggest reason is leaders from other nations do not view women with the same respect as a man.  the pres of usa is a position that demands respect.


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So you let them fend for themselves, despite the fact that we live in a country where health insurance is traditionally provided by employers.




Yes, like a horse, when it breaks a leg.

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    #24673187 - 09/30/17 05:09 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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i wouldnt vote for a woman, we tend to be emotional creatures.  she'll push the button. the biggest reason is leaders from other nations do not view women with the same respect as a man.  the pres of usa is a position that demands respect.




Yes because no male leader, especially in the US, ever did any major actions using raw emotion and little else.


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    #24673189 - 09/30/17 05:10 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

And our current leader is probably the least emotionally driven person ever.


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    #24674005 - 09/30/17 11:27 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

instead of kneeling they should all do a curtsy in old timey hooker dresses


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Imagine the top photo is of Obama and the bottom is of NASCAR drivers kneeling to the anthem would you still feel the same way?

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    #24674493 - 10/01/17 07:31 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

They're training them to be snowflakes earlier and earlier.


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    #24674841 - 10/01/17 10:00 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Now they are calling 10 year olds Nazis and KKK members for holding their heart during the pledge of allegiance... and of course you think its funny. Sociopath.


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Now they are calling 10 year olds Nazis and KKK members




So true, I'm sure "they" are on the Soros payroll.

I heard he has totally infiltrated the classrooms and students are now being brainwashed with antifa propaganda.

I read an article about it on a website that nobody has ever heard of. I also saw a YouTube video about it one time.

I will post the evidence later.

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trolling fucker, stop spamming.

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    #24675063 - 10/01/17 10:53 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

:facepalm: that's not anything new. Being a good obedient little shit was never cool if no one else is doing it.


In part that's why kids are such monsters these days.


We taught them to be good and obey but neglect to give them any meaningful reason to.


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    #24675127 - 10/01/17 11:11 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

welp u guys settled it good job :awethumb:

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Will die out

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    #24678018 - 10/02/17 12:41 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

The Founders were secessionists, not allegiant to the flag of Britain. 

They charged King George III, and formed a polity.

Occupy, BLM, et al, have no nameable demands, worldview, or structure, of which we are aware, except for appropriating a popular venue.





(Edited for spelling.)

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Did someone put them up to it?

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