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OfflineFungushead
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Anyone ever grow puffballs
    #2465647 - 03/24/04 12:08 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Specifically, Calvatia gigantia. I remember kicking these things around when I was a kid. I never knew they were edible. Anyone here ever eaten one, and if so did you like the taste of it? I see one Canadian company has them for sale (outdoor kit). Anyone here ever tried to grow them?

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Re: Anyone ever grow puffballs [Re: Fungushead]
    #2465708 - 03/24/04 12:21 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

There was this thread about this topic some time ago.
As far as I know nobody has succeeded so far.
Someone has told me that he has is about to case some mycelium he got from a clone.
I hoped to get some of him, but he did not answer my mail.
That was about a week ago. But I have still some spores ...
Btw, have you got a link to the homepage of this Canadian company ?
Is it this company ?


Edited by ragadinks (03/24/04 12:29 AM)


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Re: Anyone ever grow puffballs [Re: ragadinks]
    #2465826 - 03/24/04 12:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Btw, have you got a link to the homepage of this Canadian company ?
Is it this company ?




That's the one. It'd be interesting to see the instructions (if any) that they include with the kit. I'll be trying to get some wild specimens myself this summer.

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Re: Anyone ever grow puffballs [Re: Fungushead]
    #2466550 - 03/24/04 06:30 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

They are coming up in the fields near me now
well i dont know what species but its a giant puffball of sorts, a Calvatia.
I havent tried it yet but will very soon. Ill also be cloning it and doing some detective work around the base to try and figure out WTF it is doing down there and what ist feeding on


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Re: Anyone ever grow puffballs [Re: Mycena]
    #2466659 - 03/24/04 08:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

They are coming up in the fields near me now
well i dont know what species but its a giant puffball of sorts, a Calvatia.




Woow, your seasons are really very different from ours here !
Are there several species of the giant puffball? I thought there is only one?
A huge round ball with a smooth wite skin:



Is this right ?

I think they like soil with a PH not too high, because here they grow only in the mountains where the stones do not consist of limestone.
Here at my place they are growing very well, but just about 15 kilometers where the limestone mountains start they do not show up.

Another question:
Does the latin names Langermannia gigantea and Calvatia gigantea mean the same species ? The terminology confuses me a little bit.


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Re: Anyone ever grow puffballs [Re: ragadinks]
    #2466887 - 03/24/04 10:59 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Oh my god!

That puff ball looks huge. How big does this type of mushroom grow to be?


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Re: Anyone ever grow puffballs [Re: ragadinks]
    #2467214 - 03/24/04 12:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yes our seasons are 6 months out on yours give or take a bit for regional variation.
Calvatia gigantea is recorded in Oz but im not sure what we have here
Thy range from baseball size to Soccer ball size with the average being about midway.
Not giant by any means but big enough
They occur here in late summer to Autumn (fall) which is now.
I live in a subtropical climate and species growing alongside this species are P cubensis and Pan cyanescens. They fruit in Cattle pastures or by the sides of roads and like slightly sloping open aspect. The soils are red volcanic loams and varation son that. The original vegetation was subtropical rainforest before it was cleared for Cattle pasture many decades ago.
There are many Pasture species but those most often sown are Kikuyu (Pennisetum), Panicum sp, Annula rye grass (lollium sp), Perennial rye grass (Lollium perenne), Paspalum distichum, Paspalum dilatatum, other sp x 2, Couch grass (?) and there are maybe a few native grasses, mots are exotic cos this area wasnt a grassy sort of place before.
Obviously i need a good pasture handbook if im planning to research puffball pasture preferences.
Ill get some pictures when i can
I havent eaten any yet but will soon
crumbed n fried someone said...


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Re: Anyone ever grow puffballs [Re: GreyStreet]
    #2468360 - 03/24/04 07:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

How big does this type of mushroom grow to be?




I have found really huge ones here. They had about 2-3 kilograms and were about one and a half the size of a (big) humans head.

Mycena:

It seems that there are some variations of the puffball. Here the climate is not really subtropical. It is very mountainous and has a alpine climate. Do you really think they depend on the sort of grass they are growing on ? Maybe it is just a mixture of nutes, moisture and PH they like. I have found out that they do not like very wet and soggy soils. Compared to Coprinus comatus they always grow on the steeper and more sunny fields.


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Re: Anyone ever grow puffballs [Re: ragadinks]
    #2468574 - 03/24/04 08:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Do you really think they depend on the sort of grass they are growing on ?

We have a puffball here that is large 6 up to 12 inches or larger in diameter that you find in the woods on the ground in late summer and early fall. The climate is temperate, the tree I most find them associated with is black locust, they are also found with a variety of other trees, maple, ash, wild cherry, ect. I don't find them in oak woods, they may be there too, I haven't seen them there.

Often the ground has no plants where they are found.


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Re: Anyone ever grow puffballs [Re: Fungushead]
    #2468868 - 03/24/04 09:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I tried but without luck. I was able to grow on agar and in liquid culture but out of all the substrates I tried the only one that took was on corn, and that took many many months and was weak and wispy. I was actually going to toss it out and saw a spot just in time and then just set it aside again. It looks to still be alive on the corn and fully colonized (still wispy) - go figure. I am going to plant it this spring and see if it takes.

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Re: Anyone ever grow puffballs [Re: MycoFactory]
    #2469981 - 03/25/04 02:56 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Falcon:

It seems that this species has specialiced in a lot of different climates and environments around the world ( have never seen one growing in the woods ).

Mycobag:
Did you germinate the mycelium from spores, or was it from a clone ?
What kind of agar did you use ?


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Re: Anyone ever grow puffballs [Re: ragadinks]
    #2470444 - 03/25/04 04:09 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It seems that there are some variations of the puffball.

And species
In mushrooms demystified (Arora)
he lists 30 or so species. No doubt that number is even bigger worldwide.

Here the climate is not really subtropical. It is very mountainous and has a alpine climate.

. I think i forgot to mention i live on a hill.They have also been recorded in very summer dry mediterranean cimates, again on hilly slopes in the open

Do you really think they depend on the sort of grass they are growing on ?

Due to their sheer size i think something must be going on in a mycorhizal fashion. The topsoils are not all that thick and not that densewith digestible organc matter for this beast to generate the biomass it does from detritus. I think it must have and expasive network hooked up to a number of host plants.
What i dont understand is the nature or mechanism of the relationship.

Maybe it is just a mixture of nutes, moisture and PH they like. I have found out that they do not like very wet and soggy soils. Compared to Coprinus comatus they always grow on the steeper and more sunny fields.

same. Coprinus on the flats in thick lawn and pasture around lakes and such. These puffballs spring up after the first decent showers which can be from december to late Feb. Temps drop from the high 30s to high 20s low 30s and night time temps drop off. Humidity goes way up. They continue on until its too cool. Other than that im not sure as i havent been here more than a season to see.


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Re: Anyone ever grow puffballs [Re: Mycena]
    #2472209 - 03/25/04 06:53 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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And species
In mushrooms demystified (Arora)
he lists 30 or so species. No doubt that number is even bigger worldwide.




I have found out that Langermaninia gigantea is just the old name for Calvatia gigantea. But as far as I know there is only one sort of a "giant puffball". The other species are not that huge at all, or am I missing something ?

Quote:


Due to their sheer size i think something must be going on in a mycorhizal fashion. The topsoils are not all that thick and not that densewith digestible organc matter for this beast to generate the biomass it does from detritus. I think it must have and expasive network hooked up to a number of host plants.
What i dont understand is the nature or mechanism of the relationship.




They actually do have a vast mycelium network. When I go hunting them I always go up to a hill on the opposite side of the fields where they grow and watch out for huge ( often 100 - 200 meters in diameter ) fairy rings. These fairy rings are formed by a darker sort of grass in the normal lighter grass. The giant puffballs grow in that darker grass. It's just hard to spot the darker grass when you are too close. So I think they must get the huge amount of nutes through there vast mycelium network. The grass might turn darker where the grow because it get's more nutrients there ? Just an assumtion ...


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Re: Anyone ever grow puffballs [Re: ragadinks]
    #2473641 - 03/25/04 05:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

At just a glance arora illustrates several large species (exceeding 20cm)

C gigantea
C booniana (western giant)
C Sculpta (Sierran puffball)
C bovista
C cyathiformis

from the looks mine might be more closely related to C bovista given appaerance and habitat.


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Re: Anyone ever grow puffballs [Re: Mycena]
    #2475720 - 03/26/04 04:21 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Well I drive past a field with about twenty very large specimins every day as big as soccer balls mmmmm they make good chips and omelets ,in a few weeks the spores will be blowing all over the place I might  spread some around home just for the hell of it :smile:


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Re: Anyone ever grow puffballs [Re: Mycena]
    #2475882 - 03/26/04 06:46 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I had a look in the internet and it seems that the taxonomy is really fucked up. Somewhere it says that C. bovista and C. gigantea are the same species, somewhere it says that C. gigantea and Langermannia gigantea are a synonym. I guess I will have to do some more research.


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Re: Anyone ever grow puffballs [Re: winelover]
    #2475886 - 03/26/04 06:50 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Well I drive past a field with about twenty very large specimins every day as big as soccer balls m

I know something better then just eating them: Make some clones and send them to me :wink:


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Re: Anyone ever grow puffballs [Re: ragadinks]
    #2571637 - 04/17/04 07:11 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Here I have found a source where you can buy mycelium of the giant puffball:
http://www.gamu.de/cgi-bin/his-webshop.pl?f=NR&c=10017&t=temartic

Sorry, only in german ...


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Re: Anyone ever grow puffballs [Re: Fungushead]
    #2573475 - 04/18/04 11:47 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I have read that they love grassy fields but I have only ever found them on the side of wooded hills.
Also read they like dryer soil but I have always found them in areas with good drainage, I think this is due more to the spores getting washed down towards water sources and germinating. That would explain why everyone see's them on hillsides.
Even though I only find them in the woods I can say that I have never found one that wasn't growing in a grassy patch in those woods. Never once found one sprouting from the undergrowth or just dirt. The dark patches brings up a good point and now that I think about it the best specimen I've ever gotten was in some dense forest (had to cut my way to it) with a clearing in the undergrowth that had very healthy grass. I remember it looked odd and now I think it was because the grass was so healthy and recieved almost no sunlight. Also the grass was healthy enough to fight off the rest of the forest undergowth. Is this mushroom mycorrhizal?


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