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Is it possible to use strong anticholinergics for a psychedelic experience?
    #24640258 - 09/18/17 09:09 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Hello, my first post here.

I was wondering if it's possible to use strong anticholinergics like Scopolamine, Atropine, Datura etc to get a taste of what psychedelics feel like?

A quick google search says these drugs are too strong, and will create delirium which can be extremely dangerous without a sitter, as the person experiencing the trip will be unable to differentiate reality from hallucinations, and might end up doing weird things like stabbing a stranger in the back, or jumping in front of a speeding vehicle..

The only other drug freely available is DXM. But again, google says DXM is too weak, and will not trigger open-eye hallucinations at all in moderate doses, it's effects are very subtle like enhancing the music-listening experience, mild close-eye images, etc. To experience vivid open-eye hallucinations, one will need to consume copious quantities of DXM, and this might result in hospitalization, or even death!

So then, DXM is too weak, Anticholinergics are too strong, nothing else is available without a prescription. In a situation like this, if you wanted to have visions, and try a drug (out of these) which would most closely mimic a true psychedelic experience, which one would you try?

PS: Not looking for a "high" like morphine. I need visions, hallucinations, voices, something like what a schizophrenic person experiences- only temporarily without any serious consequences like drug addiction or permanent brain damage.

Thank you, God bless all :smile:

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Re: Is it possible to use strong anticholinergics for a psychedelic experience? [Re: h33t]
    #24640367 - 09/18/17 10:09 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Maybe try bot being desparate and just waiting for an appropriate experience with the appropriate substance. Yes you're interested, I get that, but be patient. There is no reason why using datura or DXM is going to show you what psychedelics are like. Seeing shit isn't the whole picture either so if you think that's what you're doing to yourself then you need to spend more time learning about these things before you do whatever it is with your body and mind. Don't use datura. DXM isn't the worst drug, even in high doses(which I would not say are deadly), but it's not a psychedelic. Grow some shrooms, use the darknet, make the right friends, or consider looking into RCs such as lysergamide or trypamine analogues/homologues. Or maybe just don't get high at all. :shrug:

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Re: Is it possible to use strong anticholinergics for a psychedelic experience? [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #24640396 - 09/18/17 10:24 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

I would wait for sure... XLCaps is absolutely right and you should wait and find some real psychedelics or dont get high at all. It is more than visuals, the mental state is just as important if not more in the psychedelic experience.
Dont just take known dangerous/deadly substances because you want to "see things" that is usually how people end up hurting themselves..
I also recommend looking into ordering some lysergamide analogues where they are legal and attained online.


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Re: Is it possible to use strong anticholinergics for a psychedelic experience? [Re: SonicTitan]
    #24641302 - 09/18/17 04:20 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Anticholinergics are not psychedelics, at all. They are deliriants, and are not pleasant in the least bit. Most people report nightmarish-like experiences, so imo if you wanna try some Psychedelics, look into obtaining some 4-ACO-DMT, 1P-LSD, ALD-52, AL-LAD, Shrooms, LSD, Mescaline/Cacti or Ayahuasca plants. Ayahuasca was my first psychedelic and by far my favorite psychedelic so far, the plants are relatively easily obtainable if you know where to look, same with the RC compounds. You could also try mixing Shrooms or 4-ACO-DMT with the Harmala containing plants Syrian Rue or B. Caapi, for Psilohuasca instead of using a DMT-containing plant for Ayahuasca.

Also you might check out Amanita Muscaria, but they aren't Psychedelic ime, they're more like Xanax or Alcohol, but some folks seem to think they're very Entheogenic, so it may be worth a shot imo.


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Re: Is it possible to use strong anticholinergics for a psychedelic experience? [Re: h33t]
    #24641347 - 09/18/17 04:20 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

This thread has been closed.

Reason:
The substances you list are not traditional psychedelics and if used they have the potential to harm your health and wreak havoc on your life, if things go wrong.

This forum is for traditional psychedelics, they're listed in the rules of the forum. For this reason I'm locking your post. I can't move it to the appropriate forum as you do not have access to it.

The information that the members gave you here is good info. Seek out the ones on the list in the rules and study them and the mindset you should have going into such an adventure.

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