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Grow log, tray fruited in unmodded tub, +various cakes (Finished 11/2017)
    #24611042 - 09/07/17 10:29 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Hey everyone, Dreamz is on board!  :grin:

First off I'd like to thank the wonderful folk here at the Shroomery, this lurker of two years finally can't stand not being on-board, and I have learnt a lot. Kudos to shroomery OGs. Much love.  :heart:

(27/8/2017)

On to the flesh of the log... At this point I am roughly a week in, prepared my MS much better than my first 2 attempts, (let's not go there right now...), pc'd water in a jar, syringe, made the MS in my SAB, and proceeded to innoc 2 1/2pint PF jars, 1 1/2pint Test jar of WBR, wild rice, and coffee grounds, 3 1/4 PF jars, 1 1/4pint WBR jar, and another 1/4pint of WBR I plan to use as LI when fully colonized. Will likely use the same method of pc'ing water in a little jar, to use in obtaining LI.

Edit: Probably should mention that all jars were PC'd for ~1 and 1/2 hours at what I assume is around 10psi, (Tiny crappy PC), after a simmer til 'edible'. Innoc'd ~10ml spore solution between all of them, my place has been ~25 degrees celcius at least 12hrs/24hrs, more like 18hrs usually, never below ten degrees, and all jars are about 20%, except the test jar of the 2 rice types and coffee. I think the complexity of that particular jar is making it a tiny bit slower, it's only about 10-15%, but otherwise looks great. Just over a week isn't that long to see results, as I've found out.

That's where I'm at. The plan is to use most/all the grain jars in a small ~8inch square foil tray, with some coir/verm. Provided all goes well of course. Plan to pasteurize. (Try to at least.)

Expect pics to follow, I do have a fair idea what I'm doing but closer to spawning I will be keen to throw around some ideas with folk, since this will be my 1st tray attempt.


~7 Days after MS innoc:

Experiment WBR, Wild Rice, Coffee Grounds Jar(Now in a bag at 1:3 ratio after stalled 90% colonized,(20/9/17), after a small bacteria contam that has been excised completely, isolated away from the rest of the subs):



PF Half-Pints (Now in fruiting chamber 100%, consol.~5days, 21/9/17, one dunked, topped 1/4 inch coir/verm, the other dunk and rolled):



(Being used as spawn in tray @19/9 - 100% Colonized)WBR 1/4 Pint:



(Being used as spawn in tray @19/9 - 100% Colonized, used for LI, recovered twice)LI Grain Jar:



(Being used as spawn @19/9 - 100% Colonized)PF 1/4 Pints:




19/9/2017


Freshly spawned tray, prepared as suggested, (thanks dhype), to the best of my abilities. wrapped in cling wrap with 7 micropored holes in top for GE, after this pic was taken:


LI used on ~300ml worth of mixed brf/grain/verm leftover mix... 7 days previous:



Mini-SGFC, because I had a container, bit small, but I have few cakes:



Not pictured are 2 1/4 pint cakes innoc'd with some of the LI obtained from an earlier jar. They are taking off beautifully though. Also all 5 MS innoc'd potential PESA are not visibly colonizing yet. Only been 7 days since that though in any case. Will keep up to date as it happens.

22/9/17:

I forgot to get a couple good shots of the bag of grain and coir from a salvage spawn, but it looks pretty damn good at the moment. ~70%, not even puffy, yet at least. The two LI 1/4 pints innoc'd 10 days ago will join the other cakes in the Mini sgfc, are 100%, just gonna give em a bit longer.

Not sure if the quality here is good enough to see the drops on the cakes, it's not a heavy layer, but it's nice.(?) Doing my best to coax pins.

         

Tray looking pretty good, hard to see through plastic wrap and condensation, or the wide micropore.



25/9/17 - Fruiting Begins

Tray has been placed in a 20L tub, unmodified, with a pretty poorly made lid, so airgap along the side of the lid probably ~1mm when shut. Decided to flip the lid creating 1/8th inch gap all the way around, also propping the lid open by like an inch on one side using a small bent metal clip from a thermometer, occasionally. Just a little metal triangle really. Nothing too consistent in mind here except providing the basics. 1-2 light mists a day currently.

   

Cakes are (I think) beginning to show some signs they may pin shortly. The 1/2 pints are at least. 1/4 pints have only today been dunked and rolled, joining the 1/2 pints.

           

8/10/2017 - Fruits!

Phone pic quality not the best, sorry guys.

The 1/2 pint cakes have each fruited ~4g dry, although 1 flush got eaten before it could be dried (~40g wet). They don't seem keen to pin again, that may have been all they had in them. Will give them another week. Been bottom watering and misting occasionally.

   

Remember that bacteria salvage jar I kept rambling about? It made the largest and most beautiful fruit I have grown yet. Roughly 5 inches long, with a 2inch diameter cap. Wasn't hollow either. Nice and meaty.



Tray is still pinning. The 1/4 pints are starting to take off.

I know I kinda left for a while and forgot to update everyone on how it turned out, so here are the final images I got from this project.

Had a couple flushes from the cakes, only one from the tray becuase after the 1st flush it became food for the drain flies. I have since declared war on all non-filtered airhole FC... I rather liked that tray. These flushes were of course fan dried, dessiccant chambered and weighed. (That is the ones that made it to drying...) :wink:



The survivors of the hungry folk:




The tray that expired before it could fruit all it's flushes. RIP Phattie Shrooms. These were also the most true representative of the "Menace" attributes of it's spore giver.



On a happier note, I got this big guy out of the multi-rice+brf random jar:



And made this plate for my next project.



Keep an eye out for that!  :grin:

Big thanks to you fellas that were along with me for this one. Couldn't have done it without you.


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Re: Grow log, PF&Grains, 1st tray attempt. [Re: ShamanDreamz]
    #24611124 - 09/07/17 11:31 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Do a thin suedo case at spawning, its not a major endeavour.
Just heat treat your coir with bucket tek.
Wild rice? Hu..thats interesting. I dont know why u put coffee in there.
Try to use your best jar for g2g transfers to save alot of time.

After these trays your better go full bulk with a shoebox or mono or be perabanned 4 life!!!!


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Re: Grow log, PF&Grains, 1st tray attempt. [Re: LemurLemur]
    #24611162 - 09/07/17 11:48 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah probably will go bucket tek, seems easier than my other limited options...

Yeah it's like 10% wild rice, 85% WBR and the 5% coffee was I believe my attempt at increasing nitrogen, seen it around a bit and thought hey, why not.

All of it seems happy to colonize, though the mycelium seems like it isn't sure what to do with the wild rice, or it's simply having a hard time digesting it? Not sure. Looks interesting though. It seems to want it, but isn't sure how to use it. May be my imagination of course. But I've been watching it... Very, very closely...

Yeah I plan to go shoeboxes if I succeed with trays.  :grin:

Got it, pretty thin casing, keep it simple I guess, bit of verm and bit of lime? I only have the dry garden lime, but it should do. Might need to oven pasteurize that in a safe bag, or attempt to steam a jar of it, or some such. Unless sterilizing the casing would be a good idea, which seems contrary to what I have read, unless my interpretation is incorrect...


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Re: Grow log, PF&Grains, 1st tray attempt. [Re: ShamanDreamz]
    #24611213 - 09/07/17 12:14 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

U can even nuke it real quick in the micro wave for something small.

Whats wbr?

No lime, 50/50 coir/verm, plain coir works good to.

Just heat treat it, u never wanna sterilize your sub it'll kill the good germs and leave open territory for the bad 1s to take over.

Have u read Bod's link? with the all white name


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Re: Grow log, PF&Grains, 1st tray attempt. [Re: LemurLemur]
    #24611226 - 09/07/17 12:22 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I don't own a microwave... I ah... Enjoy cooking stove and oven.  :thumbup:

WBR=Whole Brown Rice afaik.

No lime? Coir for casing...? Ain't coir nutritious and generally not for casing? Could swear I've read that dozens of times, recently even...

Verm for sure though. Yeah I figured I was right about the sterilizing.

Yeah I went nuts on Bod's stuff. Good reading. Got a little sidetracked going through the thread, I'm pop back and have another look regardless.

Edit: Might be definition mix up...? I mean lime/verm or just verm for the casing layer on the top for after the tray sub has been fully colonized. Seemed to work out okay last grain I fruited, even just with straight verm casing layer.

Edit:
Just realized with a thin casing it probably really doesn't matter if coir is in it. Worth a shot maybe.  :confused:

Cheers for ideas/advice man.  :smile:


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Re: Grow log, PF&Grains, 1st tray attempt. [Re: ShamanDreamz]
    #24611249 - 09/07/17 12:35 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Then just boiling water then.

Oh okay.

No lime what so ever, coir has very low nutrition. They used to use it for casing back when every1 used straw as sub.





That cluster came from wbs+coir suedo cased with plain coir and was really good eats, it was only a cm or 2 thick casing.
Plain verm is only good for cakes it sucks for bulk casing.

That was my first bulk attempt, any thing less and its a permanent ban for you!!!


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Re: Grow log, PF&Grains, 1st tray attempt. [Re: LemurLemur]
    #24611265 - 09/07/17 12:43 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Fair. That actually makes sense... Low nutrition = only used in bulk sub/thin casing or w/e. Noice. I can dig that.

Dayum... Mate... Nice pins.  :shocked:

Tried wbs once... I know where I went wrong, will give it a shot sometime again.

Hehe, I shall endeavour to cater to the appetites asap. Promise.  :evil:

I'll do a bit of g2g/LI grain once I get some grain at 100%, leaving agar till after this lot fruit though. Who knows, one might be worth cloning.


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Re: Grow log, PF&Grains, 1st tray attempt. [Re: ShamanDreamz]
    #24611301 - 09/07/17 12:54 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Definitely clone N label. I have some agar pins on new plates, hopefully 1 of them will be winner.

I did that all with just a microwave N no agar, im telling ya better do better than that or ill have the admins ban u...













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Re: Grow log, PF&Grains, 1st tray attempt. [Re: LemurLemur]
    #24611330 - 09/07/17 01:07 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

This myc seems pretty vigorous, I feel like I got a pretty good chance over the coming weeks, doubt you'll get rid of me that easy... Hehe.
:hehehe:

Such silky... I wanna say rhizo, but I don't feel qualified enough to make that statement. They sah pretty bro! I love watching them consume stuff.  :crazy:


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Re: Grow log, PF&Grains, 1st tray attempt. [Re: ShamanDreamz]
    #24611438 - 09/07/17 02:11 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Theres tomotose (?) And rhyzo.

Hopefully its vigorous and not trying to outrun some bacteria


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Re: Grow log, PF&Grains, 1st tray attempt. [Re: LemurLemur]
    #24611452 - 09/07/17 02:17 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Tomentose* (I think)

About to upload better quality pics of the jars, one sec...

Edit: Success!


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Re: Grow log, PF&Grains, 1st tray attempt. [Re: ShamanDreamz]
    #24619698 - 09/11/17 04:11 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Update & Questions

So my Grain LI jar has been 100% for around 24hrs, and another tiny 30ml backup grain is in the same position, now, I plan to sterilize ~100ml water in a li'l jar with my pc again, along with a 20ml syringe and a 5ml, (For 6 more 1/4 pint PF Jars and either a large 350ml PF or Grain, idk open to suggestions) And I was after a bit of advice.

Ie;
Should I leave the Grain jar to be used for LI awhile to settle or w/e? (There is lots of aerial fuzz appearing, reaching for the sky) Or just go for it tomorrow? (48hrs after 100% visible colonization of essentially 50-60ml of grain)

Also after using it for LI, can I chuck the 30ml of grain in with the pre-used LI grains, case a little Verm to soak up a little moisture and just fruit it for shits and giggles?

Thanks in advance fellas, would love some wisdom on this. Might not be huge, but the LI will be doubling my spawn if I can pull it off.

PS: The other jars pictured above have essentially doubled in colonization, to varying degrees of 50-80%, so I'm not far off on the tray attempt! Changed my mind to either CVG or just plain Coir and some verm for the tray/s. No contams in sight at this stage, looking good!

Pics on request if you'd rather a visual, pre-advice... Cbf getting camera out til tray spawn/fruit/w/e...


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Re: Grow log, PF&Grains, 1st tray attempt. [Re: ShamanDreamz]
    #24622602 - 09/12/17 03:25 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Went ahead with the plan detailed above, figured I could manage. Innoc'd the 350ml, 2 1/4 pints. Saving the other 4 1/4 pints for a print that may turn out to be PESA, idk. No label. So yeah will MS that and wait for the rest to be ready to fruit. I expect that to be in a week or so.

The grain LI has been topped up with more colonized grain and I intend to let it recover and fruit it. unsure if it will work, but it's worth a shot. I don't like wasting even a scrap of spawn.


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Re: Grow log, PF&Grains, 1st tray attempt. [Re: ShamanDreamz]
    #24630572 - 09/15/17 01:36 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Got all of the first jars to 90-100%, couple just chewing the last bits of sub. Excluding the experimental jar of WBR, wild rice and grounds.

That one is at around 80%, and has a small 2cmx6cm bacteria (I think) section which is getting slathered in metabolites. All looks really clean except for that section. It was the slowest to colonize, but still looks not terrible. Just isolated it, gonna let it do whatever it will do.

Gonna do a week or so consolidate of the 100% jars from today.
The LI jars are starting to recover/spread. Looks good.
The suspected PESA hasn't started putting out myc yet, but MS innoc, what can you do, just gonna wait for those suckers.


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Re: Grow log, PF&Grains, 1st tray attempt. [Re: ShamanDreamz]
    #24637021 - 09/17/17 05:36 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Crumbled 2 1/4pint pf cakes to replace the somewhat bacterial looking grain jar I was going to use in the tray, left them in a Ziploc bag with a micro-pore taped hole to recover, did the same with 2 1/4pint WBR jars.

These will be the spawn for my small tray of coir.

I gotta say, after crumbling what was once thick fluffy cake, it never looks very colonized post-crumble. Freaks me out a little, just concerning. Worry about contams. I work pretty clean, but it doesn't take much...

Shall see how they look in a few days. And then I think I will spawn the tray finally, and cover it with foil+micropore taped holes to chew the sub for another few days.

Any input on my plan is more than welcome, being my 1st attempt and all.


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Re: Grow log, PF&Grains, 1st tray attempt. [Re: ShamanDreamz]
    #24639992 - 09/18/17 08:45 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

My worries were pointless. Barely 24hrs later the crumbled cake spawns have recovered beautifully. Going to prep the coir/verm tomorrow and spawn as soon as it's cooled, cover it up with some plastic wrap+holes/micropore tape, leave to colonize, open to fruiting in either my new mini SGFC, or I will go get a new tub and use that, cos I'll probably need the mini SGFC for cakes. At least two cakes will be consolidated soon, and another 2 not far behind those from my grain LI first hand first try... Loved it, it works quite quickly. Sort of wish I had done more.

Suspected PESA MS doesn't seem to have germinated even yet, bit slow to start for fresh spores. Innoc on those 4 1/4pints(BRF/Verm)+~200mlPP5 of leftover mix was 6 days past, might be temps, like ~22C.

Interestingly an ~300ml glass jar full of random leftover BRF+Verm mix, WBR+Wild Rice+coffee leftovers, took very well to single site 5ml LI, colonizing from the center out, very fluffy on top and bottom, I just love the idea of an internal pillar of mycelium, spreading out. Look forward to fruiting it if it makes it.


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Re: Grow log, PF&Grains, 1st tray attempt. [Re: ShamanDreamz]
    #24642979 - 09/19/17 06:30 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Prepped the coir/verm, and it's been at 170F when first mixed in an esky and temp taken at adding hot water, dropping to 140F around 4 hours after, checked like twice, so I think I'm happy with that. Looks like it'll stay around 140F for awhile so, I'm just gonna wait til it cools, spawn to the 8"x8"x2" tray, will update original post with a few pics probably.

If anyone disagrees with layers of spawn/bulk alternating, bulk being top+bottom layers, alternating, etc, covering with micropore covered holes in a piece of cling wrap, lemme know like soon, cos that's my current plan. When the coir is cool. Thinking it'll be ~1:2.5 spawn/coir&verm.

Also still not sure if I ought to get a new tub, or use the mini SGFC I have, which it'll only just fit into, with ~1.5 inch space on two sides, while the others will be against side of chamber... This being how I was considering fruiting my tray.

Alternatively, I have a short greenhouse "tent" and a humidifier I was not planning on using, which I doubt I'll need. These are not pressing questions, got a few days till I have to think fruiting. Pretty sure.

Any opinions/pointers on the above?


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Re: Grow log, PF&Grains, 1st tray attempt. [Re: ShamanDreamz]
    #24642993 - 09/19/17 06:47 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

ShamanDreamz said:
Prepped the coir/verm, and it's been at 170F when first mixed in an esky and temp taken at adding hot water, dropping to 140F around 4 hours after, checked like twice, so I think I'm happy with that. Looks like it'll stay around 140F for awhile so, I'm just gonna wait til it cools, spawn to the 8"x8"x2" tray, will update original post with a few pics probably.

If anyone disagrees with layers of spawn/bulk alternating, bulk being top+bottom layers, alternating, etc, covering with micropore covered holes in a piece of cling wrap, lemme know like soon, cos that's my current plan. When the coir is cool. Thinking it'll be ~1:2.5 spawn/coir&verm.

Also still not sure if I ought to get a new tub, or use the mini SGFC I have, which it'll only just fit into, with ~1.5 inch space on two sides, while the others will be against side of chamber... This being how I was considering fruiting my tray.

Alternatively, I have a short greenhouse "tent" and a humidifier I was not planning on using, which I doubt I'll need. These are not pressing questions, got a few days till I have to think fruiting. Pretty sure.

Any opinions/pointers on the above?




Don't layer it like lasagna. Mix it VERY WELL in the bucket before you put it in the tray. That way it's perfectly mixed when you fill and level the tray. Make sure you're very OCD about the surface being level. ☆make sure to set aside a bit of uninocculated sub before mixing to make a 1/8" thick to layer (pseudo casing). GL.


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Re: Grow log, PF&Grains, 1st tray attempt. [Re: dhype773]
    #24643014 - 09/19/17 06:59 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Ah, awesome, thanks dhype, will definitely do that. As soon as it's cool.


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ShamanDreamz said:
Ah, awesome, thanks dhype, will definitely do that. As soon as it's cool.



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