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Patlal
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#24605517 - 09/05/17 11:22 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thoughts?
I don't really know what it is but apparently it's an illegal exective order by Obama.
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Re: DACA is gone [Re: Patlal] 1
#24605599 - 09/05/17 12:00 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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We either enforce our immigration laws or we don't. Why people have issue with the enforcement is beyond me.
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#24605615 - 09/05/17 12:06 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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DACA granted legal status to people who were brought illegally into the US as minors, and therefore were not of age to break any immigration laws. Essentially they are kids who have grown up in the US and now trump wants to deport them becasue he's a fucking asshole.
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Re: DACA is gone [Re: qman] 1
#24605628 - 09/05/17 12:08 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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qman said: We either enforce our immigration laws or we don't. Why people have issue with the enforcement is beyond me.
What laws did these kids break? They are/were minors and are not legally responsible for their parents' actions. You think children should be punished for the illegal actions of their parents?
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Re: DACA is gone [Re: koods]
#24605637 - 09/05/17 12:11 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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qman said: We either enforce our immigration laws or we don't. Why people have issue with the enforcement is beyond me.
What laws did these kids break? They are/were minors and are not legally responsible for their parents' actions. You think children should be punished for the illegal actions of their parents?
So every illegal immigrant under 18 entered the US with their parents? Not true.
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Re: DACA is gone [Re: Patlal] 1
#24605639 - 09/05/17 12:12 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Patlal said: Thoughts?
I don't really know what it is but apparently it's an illegal exective order by Obama.
Why are you making a thread about something you clearly know nothing about?
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Re: DACA is gone [Re: qman]
#24605643 - 09/05/17 12:14 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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qman said: We either enforce our immigration laws or we don't. Why people have issue with the enforcement is beyond me.
What laws did these kids break? They are/were minors and are not legally responsible for their parents' actions. You think children should be punished for the illegal actions of their parents?
So every illegal immigrant under 18 entered the US with their parents? Not true.
No. And daca doesn't say anything about that. DACA APPLIES TO MINORS WHO WERE BROUGHT TO THE US BY THEIR PARENTS.
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Re: DACA is gone [Re: koods]
#24605657 - 09/05/17 12:18 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why don't you address what DACA does?
Do you think we should deport someone who was brought into the US when they were a child by their parents? should they be kicked out to a country where they have never been and often times don't even speak the language? They did not enter the country illegally. (Unless you think a 5 year old can break a law). Address this issue, don't create a straw man.
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Patlal
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Re: DACA is gone [Re: koods]
#24605789 - 09/05/17 01:03 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Patlal said: Thoughts?
I don't really know what it is but apparently it's an illegal exective order by Obama.
Why are you making a thread about something you clearly know nothing about?
To know about it without having to read a long text. You summarized it all in two succint line and I thank you for it.
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Re: DACA is gone [Re: Patlal]
#24605795 - 09/05/17 01:06 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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What I would do is allow them to stay until they are like 25 and have them apply to the legal immigration system. By then they should have an education which will give them immigration points. If they don't qualify, then they are out.
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Re: DACA is gone [Re: Patlal] 1
#24605900 - 09/05/17 01:52 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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it seems trump is using the bully pulpit (pen) to get congress to enact legislation protecting those covered by DACA.
if it works out that way he gets to tell his base, 'see, i tried!!1!' and then blame congress, especially those in congress he doesn't like.
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Re: DACA is gone [Re: koods] 1
#24605914 - 09/05/17 01:58 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: Why don't you address what DACA does?
Do you think we should deport someone who was brought into the US when they were a child by their parents? should they be kicked out to a country where they have never been and often times don't even speak the language? They did not enter the country illegally. (Unless you think a 5 year old can break a law). Address this issue, don't create a straw man.
Yes, the parents and children did enter the country illegally.
If the US wants open borders and citizenship for any person who enters the country lets change the laws today, otherwise we're going to enforce the existing laws.
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Re: DACA is gone [Re: qman]
#24606009 - 09/05/17 02:24 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Trump kicked it back to Congress....isn't that where immigration law/regs originate and are formed? Article I, Section 8, Clause 4 reads, “… To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, … I think before the 1870s states could regulate immigration via the 10th Amendment.....before the Federal government took it over.
6 months? That would be light speed for Congress.
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Re: DACA is gone [Re: Patlal]
#24606037 - 09/05/17 02:33 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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hen they should have an education which will give them immigration points. If they don't qualify, then they are out.
You know they are all just gunna go to Canada right ?
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Patlal
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hen they should have an education which will give them immigration points. If they don't qualify, then they are out.
You know they are all just gunna go to Canada right ?
We'll ship them out as they come like we always do. It might take a few months, but they'll end up where they are supposed to be
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Re: DACA is gone [Re: Patlal] 1
#24606375 - 09/05/17 04:12 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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I just read more about it. Its been introduced by executive order and it was overridding the judicial branch which meas it anti-constitutional. Trump wants it to go through congress and be legally made into law.
So technically it's a test for Congress to either A: Finally work together or B: Threaten the lives of a million kids
I wouldn't be suprised if they let the kids get deported insted of working together.
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Re: DACA is gone [Re: Patlal]
#24606404 - 09/05/17 04:21 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: DACA is gone [Re: qman]
#24606475 - 09/05/17 04:55 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: Why don't you address what DACA does?
Do you think we should deport someone who was brought into the US when they were a child by their parents? should they be kicked out to a country where they have never been and often times don't even speak the language? They did not enter the country illegally. (Unless you think a 5 year old can break a law). Address this issue, don't create a straw man.
Yes, the parents and children did enter the country illegally.
If the US wants open borders and citizenship for any person who enters the country lets change the laws today, otherwise we're going to enforce the existing laws.
So you believe a child is responsible for the actions of his parents?
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Patlal
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Re: DACA is gone [Re: koods]
#24606484 - 09/05/17 05:04 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: Why don't you address what DACA does?
Do you think we should deport someone who was brought into the US when they were a child by their parents? should they be kicked out to a country where they have never been and often times don't even speak the language? They did not enter the country illegally. (Unless you think a 5 year old can break a law). Address this issue, don't create a straw man.
Yes, the parents and children did enter the country illegally.
If the US wants open borders and citizenship for any person who enters the country lets change the laws today, otherwise we're going to enforce the existing laws.
So you believe a child is responsible for the actions of his parents?
Nope. I just think that a parent is ridiculously irresponsible to gamble with their kids life like that. And there's too. The laws are there. It was just a matter of time before someone decided that a law should be respected
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Re: DACA is gone [Re: Patlal]
#24606619 - 09/05/17 06:04 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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I hope the fucker tears the house down. DACA- what happens when one of these Dreamers has an AMERICAN Citizen child? They drag the mother off and maybe her parents and then put the kid up for adoption? Beautiful. Kick an American Citizen out? Hell Ya. Get the pop corn out for this
Are they going to drag soldiers off the front lines over in the big sand pit?
Kick them all out and that giant sucking sound you hear will be every incumbent pub going down the toilet.
The pubs are not going to have time in the legislative schedule to get this done and they don't want to have to do it.
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