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OfflineAsco
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Nothin is new
    #2459960 - 03/22/04 01:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I've been thinking about this lately.

Every conception you have or every thought or reflection you come up up with has already been thought somewhere.

No matter what we think somewhere in the world, in time another human ( or something else) has already came up with it.

In a macroscopic way of seeing this, I believe that it kind of shows that human being even if they evoluate physically and technology always stay on the same moral line. There is no general development of moral as a specie only individuals that are different.

"The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." --Albert Einstein

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Re: Nothin is new [Re: Asco]
    #2460004 - 03/22/04 01:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

"No matter what we think somewhere in the world, in time another human ( or something else) has already came up with it."

I doubt that this is true. However, it's also impossible to prove.
But I know that I've had some pretty fucked up thoughts enter my head over the years of psychedelic use and dreams.


However, I agree that there is no such thing as purely original,or creative thought, as every single thought that we have is the subsequent result of a previous thought.
If we do happen to stumble upon a creative idea, it is due to a fortunate - and original - combination of the previous thoughts that lead our mind to its current state of originality. All creativity is the result of pure chance.


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Re: Nothin is new [Re: Asco]
    #2460408 - 03/22/04 04:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

How could you think something completely original? What would it's source be? What changes is the context surrounding the idea. Every circumstance is infinitely complex, so the ideas arising as a result of them are generally equally dynamic and fluid. Thought is something that happens through time, you don't have single points of thought.


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Re: Nothin is new [Re: Asco]
    #2460422 - 03/22/04 04:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

  "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." --Albert Einstein





Linus Trovald says the contrary :wink:

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Re: Nothin is new [Re: MAIA]
    #2460652 - 03/22/04 05:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Well I think everything you do or think is realy copyed from somewhere else, everything is a copy of everything. Thsi isnt just for ideas but from planets to atoms. Any idea you think you have is just an idea based on something else you may have read or heard.


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OfflineAsco
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Re: Nothin is new [Re: Asco]
    #2460731 - 03/22/04 05:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Puff daddy was original .... :P


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Re: Nothin is new [Re: Asco]
    #2460909 - 03/22/04 06:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

So, hypethetically speaking, if a person lives their whole life in a completely dark room with nothing but water and food to live on, they can't have thoughts that aren't propelled by their environment? It's rational, but i bet somebody here is going to disprove it or get a lead on how to disprove it. Peace


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Re: Nothin is new [Re: anarchyhollow]
    #2460930 - 03/22/04 06:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Whether you're a hermit or not doesn't determine whether the thought has already crossed someone else's mind.


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Re: Nothin is new [Re: anarchyhollow]
    #2461105 - 03/22/04 07:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

A thought, like anything else in this universe obeys the laws of cause and effect. With no initial push (environmental stimuli), there can be no thought movement. Therefore, if you were born into this world lacking the senses, its logical to say that you would be without thoughts.

But who knows, maybe in their sensory-deprived state they would develop some kind of new thought processes that don't follow conventional rules...


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Re: Nothin is new [Re: manna_man]
    #2461184 - 03/22/04 07:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

There has yet to have been an infinite number of humans thinking an infinite number of thoughts. I'll call you all when I'm done.


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Re: Nothin is new [Re: Asco]
    #2462268 - 03/23/04 01:09 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Still I think that pretty much everyone thinks in the same way. Mostly in reaction to our environment. Therefore everyone will base their thought on stuff they know and that is around them.

With this process of thinking I am not sure that there is an infinite nimber of thoughts....

Just my point of view but proove me I'm wrong hehe


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Re: Nothin is new [Re: Asco]
    #2462561 - 03/23/04 02:56 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

everything that has been said has already been said


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Re: Nothin is new [Re: Asco]
    #2467393 - 03/24/04 01:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Watch the ripples in a flowing stream. Will there ever be a last ripple? Surely another one will always follow, unless the whole stream dries up. And that would be death.


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Re: Nothin is new [Re: Asco]
    #2467426 - 03/24/04 01:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

everything is new :tongue:


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Re: Nothin is new [Re: Asco]
    #2467499 - 03/24/04 01:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Asco said:
Every conception you have or every thought or reflection you come up up with has already been thought somewhere.

No matter what we think somewhere in the world, in time another human ( or something else) has already came up with it.





Nah, I disagree. I've had plenty of thoughts specific to myself and events that only I have experienced that haven't been thought before by anyone else.

Oh sure, every word someone uses has already been used before, at least most of the time (:grin:), and maybe even certain organizations of words ("god damn it", for example), but there are new thoughts materializing (haha, what a word to use, considering how a thought is not actually existing in the material world, :lol:) all the time.

What is that famous quote.. by some dude back at the turn of the century... "Everything that could possibly be invented has already been invented"? Well, if that is the case, we might as well roll over and die. :grin:

In a moment of reflecting where we have been and what has happened, it seems impossible that there is much more uncharted territory to be explored from that vantage point... but yet there are still people creating original songs, still more understanding left to become aware of, and there is always that alternate universe that we know absolutely nothing about.....  :laugh:
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Re: Nothin is new [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2467518 - 03/24/04 02:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I think everything's new in the sense that existance is a cumulative process. Ideas change through time and the act of change adds complexity and depth. Nothing's new in the sense that everything is based off of previously existing things. It's a matter of perspective, I suppose.


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Re: Nothin is new [Re: Asco]
    #2475890 - 03/26/04 06:51 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

all thoughts, ideas and creativity already exsist we just don't see it until we open our consciousness more


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