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InvisibleCelestial Traveler
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I am not convinced that pot legalization can preserve its momentum?
    #24589777 - 08/30/17 12:09 AM (6 years, 6 months ago)

Many people act like pot legalization is an inevitability and will continue spreading exponentially, but I am afraid that it will hit a brick wall.

The only way pot has become legalized in a handful of states is through ballot referendum.  I do not think that any states have even come close to passing a legalization bill through their legislatures.  Also, my understanding is that the majority of U.S. states don't allow ballot referendums in their state Constitutions, and many of the states that do have this feature do not have strong support for the issue. 

With this in mind, isn't pot legalization likely to hit a brick wall after it has been legalized in only those states with strong support and constitutional provisions for ballot referendum?

Many national polls suggest that the support rate is in the upper 50's(%), but in the last election for example, Maine (which is an NE blue state and should probably be expected to have higher support rate than national average) barely reached the 50% mark.  In other states too, the YES vote is lower than what is suggested by national polls.


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Re: I am not convinced that pot legalization can preserve its momentum? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #24589797 - 08/30/17 12:18 AM (6 years, 6 months ago)

Look at Canada man. It's on it's way there. Seems to be gaining momentum doesn't it?

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Re: I am not convinced that pot legalization can preserve its momentum? [Re: gratefulife]
    #24589801 - 08/30/17 12:20 AM (6 years, 6 months ago)

Canada is not the same as the U.S.


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Re: I am not convinced that pot legalization can preserve its momentum? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #24589813 - 08/30/17 12:23 AM (6 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah but you said spread. You didn't specify the boundaries. You gotta specify boundaries man, or else you might be confused.

Edited by gratefulife (08/30/17 12:27 AM)

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Re: I am not convinced that pot legalization can preserve its momentum? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #24589822 - 08/30/17 12:26 AM (6 years, 6 months ago)

yeah maybe you are right.

there is a lot of money involved with taxing and regulating it.
illegal states will be looking at the rec and medical states and seeing all those tax dollars that they are losing out on.
money does talk haha

it takes time to get rid of all the propaganda that's been drilled into society all those years.
And a lot of people are still profiting of it being illegal which slows the boat down.
all in good time

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Re: I am not convinced that pot legalization can preserve its momentum? [Re: MushMaggot]
    #24589848 - 08/30/17 12:32 AM (6 years, 6 months ago)

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MushMaggot said:
yeah maybe you are right.

there is a lot of money involved with taxing and regulating it.
illegal states will be looking at the rec and medical states and seeing all those tax dollars that they are losing out on.
money does talk haha

it takes time to get rid of all the propaganda that's been drilled into society all those years.
And a lot of people are still profiting of it being illegal which slows the boat down.
all in good time




Bingo on the propaganda thing. A lot of people still think that weed is actually dangerous.

My dad is so brainwashed by The War on Drugs that one time he commented that people who use safe injection sites are 'demons' :facepalm:. He also thinks that a single hit of crack will have you hooked for life.


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Re: I am not convinced that pot legalization can preserve its momentum? [Re: Canadian Jesus]
    #24589853 - 08/30/17 12:41 AM (6 years, 6 months ago)

What do you think about a single hit of crack?

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Re: I am not convinced that pot legalization can preserve its momentum? [Re: gratefulife]
    #24589861 - 08/30/17 12:53 AM (6 years, 6 months ago)

Taking a single hit of crack will likely make you never want to do it again after it wears off in 10 minutes. Multiple hits of crack though... Nah, not for how much it costs.

Cocaine powder is a lot more appealing. At least it's a sociable thing to do.

I just don't see either as being as terribly addictive as they're portrayed. Stimulants aren't really my thing though.

Benzos and opiates make me wish I could stay in that state 24/7. Alcohol not so much.


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SunnyD said:
Definitely have more respect for sheekle than I do for unjust laws

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Re: I am not convinced that pot legalization can preserve its momentum? [Re: Canadian Jesus]
    #24589886 - 08/30/17 01:34 AM (6 years, 6 months ago)

More and more states have gone medical and or recreational. I don't see the momentum dying down any time soon. Cannabis is too profitable, and too many people enjoy it.

If anything I think the momentum will keep growing. As it is legalized more and more around the globe it will become the norm again just like it was before this stupid drug war.


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Re: I am not convinced that pot legalization can preserve its momentum? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #24589898 - 08/30/17 01:47 AM (6 years, 6 months ago)

It's gained a lot more traction than barely ten years ago and we're seeing the results unfold before us. People might not be as vocal about legalization lately due to current events and election season ending recently.

That said, I do think we're going to end up taking a step back before we can take two steps forward.

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Re: I am not convinced that pot legalization can preserve its momentum? [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
    #24589904 - 08/30/17 01:58 AM (6 years, 6 months ago)

Billions of dollars in taxes per year in each state. Yeah you're right how could that not crash lol. No to mention the tremendous financial relief each states get for less needless non violent incarceration


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Re: I am not convinced that pot legalization can preserve its momentum? [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #24589919 - 08/30/17 02:13 AM (6 years, 6 months ago)

honestly people don't give a shit
to them it's just less money and more people to compete with for breeders
they.dont'.want.that.

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