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OfflineVats of Blood
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    #2457845 - 03/21/04 04:26 PM (20 years, 2 days ago)

ive liked nine inch nails since i was in junior high, but i dont think i ever really realized how much of a genius trent reznor is.

i just figured out "a warm place" on my piano and i cant stop playing the melodies....

the downward spiral is a masterpiece.


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Re: just started listening to nine inch nails again... [Re: Vats of Blood]
    #2457931 - 03/21/04 04:57 PM (20 years, 2 days ago)

I think Fragile is a master Masterpiece. I listened to it carefully again not too long ago, and I noticed so many underlying motives and themes that prevail through both discs.  The instrumentals are really what got to me, and the instrumentation is amazing... using out of tune instruments to sound like they fit perfectly, it's so obvious he spent so much time on it.
Downward Spiral is also amazing, but I'm partial to Fragile. "A warm place" is my fav on that cd :wink:


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Re: just started listening to nine inch nails again... [Re: Blastrid]
    #2457938 - 03/21/04 05:01 PM (20 years, 2 days ago)

i really really need to listen to the fragile again. when i got it, thats right when i was kinda phasing out of my marilyn manson/nin/korn/ratm phase.

i dont doubt its amazing though. ill probably listen to it tomorrow on the bus :thumbup:


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Re: just started listening to nine inch nails again... [Re: Blastrid]
    #2458011 - 03/21/04 05:39 PM (20 years, 2 days ago)

It's strange. I loved Nine Inch Nails. I heard Broken first, then Pretty Hate Machine, then The Downward Spiral. This is back in middle school. I must've listened to The Downward Spiral a few times a week for about a year. Amazing songwriting and production creativity. I like DS best because each song has such a unique taste from the others, as oppose to Broken and PHM which stick to a more consistent sound from song to song.
I was excited to hear The Fragile but I was really dissapointed. I'd say on The Fragile about every other track has some cool little part....as oppose to Broken and DS which are solid from start to stop. I know there's a lot of Nine Inch Nails fans who think The Fragile is Trent's best album but to me it's the weakest of the four. I think there's something going on between the age of like 12 and 17 when people are just more sensitive to music and so end up just liking whatever new stuff is released at that time more than stuff that comes before or after you're at that age.


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Re: just started listening to nine inch nails again... [Re: Blastrid]
    #2458342 - 03/21/04 07:41 PM (20 years, 2 days ago)

id have to agree with Blastrid.

i have both "Downward Spiral" and "Further down the Spiral" and i still think "the Fragile" is the most amazing.

there just something about that whole album... it reaks of genious.


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Re: just started listening to nine inch nails again... [Re: Vats of Blood]
    #2458369 - 03/21/04 07:49 PM (20 years, 2 days ago)

I used to not like it so much. Then I listened to both cd's all the way through and I appreciated it a lot more than listening to this song and that song, skipping a few, then listening to a different song. If you have it, and have the patience to listen to both cd's from start to finish it's just great.


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Re: just started listening to nine inch nails again... [Re: Vats of Blood]
    #2458415 - 03/21/04 08:01 PM (20 years, 2 days ago)

The Fragile is absolutely one my ten favorite CDs.
It takes skill to create an album that gets better with each repeated listen. After almost five years, I still listen to it often and am still finding new things to love.
I also like Further Down the Spiral a lot. It's like all the best textures of the Downward Spiral mixed together.
I do have a gut feeling Trent might be starting to lose his stuff though. He should just put out one more good album and hang up his fishnets.

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Re: just started listening to nine inch nails again... [Re: Vats of Blood]
    #2458616 - 03/21/04 08:54 PM (20 years, 2 days ago)


Yes. A Warm Place is my favorite NIN track, although it's very different than most of his stuff. I like all of the main cds, but The Fragile is a masterpiece.

The Fragile had more feeling in it and less aggression- it's ra eal creative work that is considered Trent's worst for some reason. I think most people just want to hear the harsh and angry side of Trent, but the got the total opposite instead. Trent just broke away from what others expected of him and did what he felt was right- and that was the creation of a masterpiece filled with wonderful soothing energy that seemed to flow out of the inside. I don't think I can ever get sick of The Fragile. It's classic in my eyes (ears).

I think Trent was changing at this time, and since kept changing (for the better I can only speculate). This probably led to the band breaking up. Oh well, maybe it was for the best. I really hope his Tapeworm project concludes soon.


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Re: just started listening to nine inch nails again... [Re: DannyT]
    #2459109 - 03/21/04 11:28 PM (20 years, 2 days ago)

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I used to not like it so much. Then I listened to both cd's all the way through and I appreciated it a lot more than listening to this song and that song, skipping a few, then listening to a different song. If you have it, and have the patience to listen to both cd's from start to finish it's just great. 




your absolutely right.  :thumbup:

i read an interview with Maynard James Keenan once where he called the fragile a "sleeper album", or something. You have to take the time to listen and appreciate it in all its beauty and genious. It will grow on you. Like fungus.

i have such high regards for this album because it was one of the first good pieces of music that started me off on my musical evolution. The first song i ever listened to on that album was "We're in this together now" (Left side) and from there, i'd like to think i've grown a lot, musically. I appreciate so much more now then i used to when i first started really listening to music.

:wtf: why am i rambling so?


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Re: just started listening to nine inch nails again... [Re: thePatient]
    #2459339 - 03/22/04 01:28 AM (20 years, 1 day ago)



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Re: just started listening to nine inch nails again... [Re: thePatient]
    #2459834 - 03/22/04 10:16 AM (20 years, 1 day ago)

Anyone heard the And all That Could Have Been bonus CD Still?
That has some sweet songs.... best being Leaving Hope.
I used to love NIN, now I realize there are better bands, but they still are sweet at times.


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Re: just started listening to nine inch nails again... [Re: thePatient]
    #2459851 - 03/22/04 10:23 AM (20 years, 1 day ago)

did you make that?


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Re: just started listening to nine inch nails again... [Re: Murex]
    #2459954 - 03/22/04 11:17 AM (20 years, 1 day ago)

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This probably led to the band breaking up.



Where did you read that they had broken up? I read not long ago him talking about the new album he was working on. About how it was supposed to more aggressive than the fragile, as he stated "12 fast punches to the face" rather than another drawn out epic (the fragile).


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As quotes from Alternative Press... 00:01

NINE INCH NALS
TITLE: bleedthrough (NOTHING)
EXPECT IT: "Soon."

"The record explores loss and possible discovery of self," says Trent Reznor about the follow-up to 1999's The Fragile, "along with alternate layers of reality and perception set inside a nightmare you can't seem to wake up from; with lots of feedback." Reznor has enlisted Atticus Ross, Jerome Dillon, Leo Herrera, mix engineer Rich Costey and Rick Rubin to help mold bleedthrough, which will feature new songs such as "The Line Begins To Blur," "Everyday Is Exactly The Same" and "My Dead Friend." This time out, Reznor is introducing high-tech to low-life. "Computers, among other things, are ruining music these days," he says. "I hate the Pro Tooled sound of perfection and everything being 'fixed.' This record is most definitely 'un-fixed.'" And when it comes to touring behind the release, T. Rez is planning on reinventing the will. "It won't be the last tour over again. That person isn't here anymore."
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Re: just started listening to nine inch nails again... [Re: Vats of Blood]
    #2459985 - 03/22/04 11:30 AM (20 years, 1 day ago)

no.  :frown:  but i did make a newer better version after being inspired by it.
i cant seem to find it, though.

graphical lyrics... what a good idea.


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Re: just started listening to nine inch nails again... [Re: Vats of Blood]
    #2461882 - 03/22/04 09:27 PM (20 years, 1 day ago)

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ive liked nine inch nails since i was in junior high, but i dont think i ever really realized how much of a genius trent reznor is.

i just figured out "a warm place" on my piano and i cant stop playing the melodies....

the downward spiral is a masterpiece.




i was a junior in high school when DS came out.... jesus christ that was a great album in the day, but like PHM, DS is dated to the era in which it came out. you can hear the 80's in PHM. you can hear the mid 90's in DS, but i cant hear y2k in the fragile. i think it will be remembered as his most timeless piece of music to date. i didnt really appreciate the fragle :smirk: when it first came out, but i was looking for another DS. once i opened my ears to it, i was totally blown away. i had the same problem with bjork and radiohead. with bjork, after Post came out, i was totally blown away. so muchg so that when homogenic came out, i was expecting another Post... which it definitely wasnt. it took me a year before i realized how good homogenic actually was. same way with kid a and ok computer in reguards to radiohead. the more i listen to actual great bands the more i realize that the reason i concider them great is because that, usually, each album isnt a repeat of previous work, but an evolution to something new.


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Re: just started listening to nine inch nails again... [Re: automan]
    #2462225 - 03/22/04 10:57 PM (20 years, 1 day ago)

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the more i listen to actual great bands the more i realize that the reason i concider them great is because that, usually, each album isnt a repeat of previous work, but an evolution to something new.




definitely true. thats exactly why im not into weezer anymore... :smirk:


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Re: just started listening to nine inch nails again... [Re: Vats of Blood]
    #2462454 - 03/23/04 12:08 AM (20 years, 23 hours ago)

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Vats of Blood said:
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automan said:
the more i listen to actual great bands the more i realize that the reason i concider them great is because that, usually, each album isnt a repeat of previous work, but an evolution to something new.




definitely true. thats exactly why im not into weezer anymore... :smirk:





hahaha me too...
That's a really good point, true talent keeps it fresh


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Re: just started listening to nine inch nails again... [Re: Vats of Blood]
    #2462925 - 03/23/04 03:53 AM (20 years, 20 hours ago)

NIN rules.. :cool:

I am also just getting back into them
I loved them when I was like 13 or 14
I think Trent and co. will always be remeberd as one of the greatest bands of the 90
because they were original, and genious.

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Re: just started listening to nine inch nails again... [Re: shaggy101]
    #2463641 - 03/23/04 12:06 PM (20 years, 11 hours ago)

not to mention that nin (in the studio) is only trent reznor....impressive.


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Re: just started listening to nine inch nails again... [Re: Vats of Blood]
    #2464079 - 03/23/04 02:41 PM (20 years, 9 hours ago)

As soon as I read the title I started singing in my head




I WANT TO FUCK YOU LIKE AN ANIMAL

bom bom bom bow

I WANT TO FEEL YOU FROM THE INSIDE

bom bom bom bow

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Re: just started listening to nine inch nails again... [Re: Vats of Blood]
    #2464493 - 03/23/04 04:45 PM (20 years, 7 hours ago)

TDS is still my favorite. The Fragile is excellent, but it lacks the immediacy and intensity of emotion that the previous albums had, IMO. The lyrics seemed more generic, less evocative. It was good, but I hope he moves past that style to something new; I'm sure he will. This five-year break between albums is trying my patience. The least he could have done is finished the DOOM soundtrack in the mean time.

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Re: just started listening to nine inch nails again... [Re: MarioNett]
    #2464562 - 03/23/04 04:59 PM (20 years, 6 hours ago)

seems like what tool did between aenima and lateralus (5 years)


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Re: just started listening to nine inch nails again... [Re: Vats of Blood]
    #2464607 - 03/23/04 05:08 PM (20 years, 6 hours ago)

(5 years)

that seems like a substantial amount of time for growth.

its probably best that way, IMO. Most bands spit out albums too fast, and their music ends up lacking in quality. Or they just put out the same ol' shit.  :smirk:


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Re: just started listening to nine inch nails again... [Re: Vats of Blood]
    #2465085 - 03/23/04 07:41 PM (20 years, 4 hours ago)

every time I go through a breakup I always end up listening to Pretty Hate Machine.

but downward spiral was reznor's best, IMO

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Re: just started listening to nine inch nails again... [Re: Vats of Blood]
    #2465152 - 03/23/04 08:03 PM (20 years, 3 hours ago)

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i just figured out "a warm place" on my piano and i cant stop playing the melodies....




If you like "A Warm place", please listen to my remix

tell me what you think!

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Re: just started listening to nine inch nails again... [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2465183 - 03/23/04 08:11 PM (20 years, 3 hours ago)

whatd you use to program the drums?


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Re: just started listening to nine inch nails again... [Re: Vats of Blood]
    #2465203 - 03/23/04 08:19 PM (20 years, 3 hours ago)

reason for the drums
soundforge for the voice sample isolation from VHS
I also chopped the whole original song into loops and sped it up from 140bpm to 160 bpm
the arrangement was done in sonar


right now I'm learning how to use logic and ableton live. When i get my midiman oxygen keyboard I will be using these programs to produce some wicked jungle

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Re: just started listening to nine inch nails again... [Re: Vats of Blood]
    #2473006 - 03/25/04 01:11 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

wow, thanks for reminding me, i haven't listened to them in like years


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    #2478143 - 03/27/04 01:48 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

were you going to get the 2-octave keyboard? i got that, but i ended up buying a radium 49-key keyboard to replace it, so id suggest just getting a 49 key one if you are willing to spend a little bit more


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    #2478306 - 03/27/04 02:58 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

yeah I will eventually get a much nicer keyboard.  But the oxygen 8 is alls I can afford rite now.  Its a lot better than the keyboard I have now, though, which is to say: no keyboard :smile:

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Re: just started listening to nine inch nails again... [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2482726 - 03/30/04 02:51 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

lol ya its not even funny how much easier music production got when i got my oxy8...programming notes using the mouse is just too painstaking and difficult.


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    #2483149 - 03/30/04 09:15 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

yeah, ease is exactly what I'm looking for.

thats why I quit producing music over a year ago- it was just too painstaking with the mickey mouse equipment i had. Those tracks I posted took like a week apiece, and they're not even all that intricate.

what I hate is having to work on the same idea for a week+, then getting bored with it, and forgetting several accompany parts, and coming up with ideas for new songs while you are still trying to hammer out something else.

I just want to get the ease of production down to the point where I can get ideas down as quick as I can think of them. Otherwise I get bored and frustrated.

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