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Re: Tearing down confederate statues is only going to make race relations worse. [Re: bodhisatta] 1
#24576212 - 08/24/17 10:33 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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No, taking money isn't slavery in any way whatsoever. No one is forced to work in this nation. No one is owned as property.
All laws are a restriction of freedom in order so that we may coexist peacefully. Your argument suggests that anything less than anarchy is slavery.
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Re: Tearing down confederate statues is only going to make race relations worse. [Re: bodhisatta]
#24576214 - 08/24/17 10:33 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Slavery is when a human being is property to be bought, sold, or disposed of at the owner's discretion.
that's one definition
you as a lawyer should know that there's not always just one condition to any definition
also slavery a condition compared to that of a slave in respect of exhausting labor or restricted freedom
the interesting thing is the money is issued by the governmnet which makes it not money it's just an asset used for liquidity. and that asset can restrict your freedom when it's tinkered with by your government
real money would be food, gold, silver. those are commodities backed by the commodity itself.
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Re: Tearing down confederate statues is only going to make race relations worse. [Re: bodhisatta]
#24576215 - 08/24/17 10:34 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Assert your rights as a sovereign citizen.
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Re: Tearing down confederate statues is only going to make race relations worse. [Re: Crazy_Horse]
#24576216 - 08/24/17 10:35 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Crazy_Horse said: Assert your rights as a sovereign citizen.
you seen what happens to those people right ?
I would love to cut my drivers license up and say I'm a free traveler I would love to cut my income tax letters up
but you have to play nice in our society or bad things will happen.
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Re: Tearing down confederate statues is only going to make race relations worse. [Re: bodhisatta]
#24576218 - 08/24/17 10:35 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Under your logic, anything less than anarchy is slavery. It's an absurd argument, but you're entitled to be wrong
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Re: Tearing down confederate statues is only going to make race relations worse. [Re: bodhisatta]
#24576221 - 08/24/17 10:36 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said:
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Crazy_Horse said: Assert your rights as a sovereign citizen.
you seen what happens to those people right ?
I would love to cut my drivers license up and say I'm a free traveler I would love to cut my income tax letters up
but you have to play nice in our society or bad things will happen.
They are idiots.
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Re: Tearing down confederate statues is only going to make race relations worse. [Re: bodhisatta]
#24576226 - 08/24/17 10:37 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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You are free to leave the country or be homeless. I am sure there are more choices.
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Re: Tearing down confederate statues is only going to make race relations worse. [Re: Enlil]
#24576227 - 08/24/17 10:38 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Under your logic, anything less than anarchy is slavery. It's an absurd argument, but you're entitled to be wrong
At least you see where I'm coming from. I'm not that stupidly idealistic that I think true anarchy is achievable. but to avoid the fact that the society we created isn't slavery? it's just slavery that we're all pretty A-ok with because it helps us all work together for common goals
I feel like recognizing these things, or even doing the thought experiment to look at things differently like that can only help our situation.
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Re: Tearing down confederate statues is only going to make race relations worse. [Re: Crazy_Horse]
#24576228 - 08/24/17 10:38 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Lol, I get a few calls a month from sovereign citizen people who have one stupid theory or another. I laugh at those fools.
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Re: Tearing down confederate statues is only going to make race relations worse. [Re: bodhisatta]
#24576231 - 08/24/17 10:39 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's "slavery" we voted for, dude. How is that slavery at all?
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Re: Tearing down confederate statues is only going to make race relations worse. [Re: Enlil]
#24576234 - 08/24/17 10:41 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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I agree they're fools but in some way it's admirable
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Enlil said: It's "slavery" we voted for, dude. How is that slavery at all?
once again the pizza party argument, not everyone agreed. some people were in a different room when the vote happened
but like I said isn't it worth the thought experiment to see things in many different ways.
don't get me wrong. I operate just fine in society. but to not think it's a bit goofy and slavery like is kind of lying to yourself to make it seem more pleasant
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Re: Tearing down confederate statues is only going to make race relations worse. [Re: bodhisatta] 1
#24576235 - 08/24/17 10:42 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: so democracy vs a king is all the difference? the illusion of choice?
well you got yourself into this mess so it's not slavery
and by the way "getting yourself into this mess" kind of works like this
Stop digging your hole. It's a moronic comparison and continuing to try and make it is only making Yourself look completely ignorant
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Re: Tearing down confederate statues is only going to make race relations worse. [Re: bodhisatta]
#24576239 - 08/24/17 10:42 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thought is what led us here. Without taxes, there is no government. Without government, there are no enforceable laws. Without laws, the strong control the weak.
So, are taxes a form of slavery or a way to avoid it?
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Re: Tearing down confederate statues is only going to make race relations worse. [Re: koods]
#24576246 - 08/24/17 10:45 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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One is you are owned by another person, your children are owned by that person and you have no hope of freedom and are worked until you die. The other you help pay for roads that take your children to school which you don't have to pay for yourself. Exactly the same
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Re: Tearing down confederate statues is only going to make race relations worse. [Re: Enlil]
#24576247 - 08/24/17 10:46 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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touche
avoidance of a worse kind of slavery.
we're always trying to perfect things. but if we think we're not slaves we don't move forward as fast at least that's the way I see it.
got to be real about our situation and be able to understand it in many points of views in order to intelligently make choices for the future.
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Re: Tearing down confederate statues is only going to make race relations worse. [Re: bodhisatta]
#24576249 - 08/24/17 10:48 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Watch roots.
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Re: Tearing down confederate statues is only going to make race relations worse. [Re: Crazy_Horse]
#24576258 - 08/24/17 10:50 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Crazy_Horse said: Watch roots.
why do you think I have such "absurd" arguments hah
I'm pretty sure the government owns me though, I have a social security card. I can't leave the country without permission. I can't get back in without permission and usually being treated like a criminal first especially driving back from Canada thru Detroit. I can't legally kill myself. I can't evade my taxes I had to sign up for selective service I have to pay a huge fee to denounce my citizenship and then pay taxes on all my assets etc..
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Crazy_Horse
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Re: Tearing down confederate statues is only going to make race relations worse. [Re: bodhisatta]
#24576264 - 08/24/17 10:51 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Free white man problems.
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Re: Tearing down confederate statues is only going to make race relations worse. [Re: Crazy_Horse]
#24576268 - 08/24/17 10:52 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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pretty much but complacency isn't a good trait
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Re: Tearing down confederate statues is only going to make race relations worse. [Re: bodhisatta]
#24576270 - 08/24/17 10:53 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: ...
Have had this situation happen, but rather than be locked in a closet, did not get any pizza due to not throwing in for it
Truly we are all slaves to pizza tho
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