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FeedingMyDreams
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Re: Tearing down confederate statues is only going to make race relations worse. [Re: John Nada] 1
#24575380 - 08/23/17 10:57 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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FeedingMyDreams said: Really, I will will fight you. I will kick your ass. Come on my to 109 Wilson Lane, Hampton, VA.
109 Wilson Ln is a 900k house in a gated community that's for sale, haha. You probably live across the street and are some spoiled little boy. Pathetic.
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nooneman
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Re: Tearing down confederate statues is only going to make race relations worse. [Re: FeedingMyDreams] 8
#24575439 - 08/23/17 11:36 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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The statues were racist when they were put up, and they're racist today. They should be taken down by any means necessary including unlawful force. You guys should know that people have talked about these statues being racist literally since they were first installed.
Further, we shouldn't commemorate the losing side of a war against our own country. That's lunacy. The people who lost that war were ashamed of it. All of you in the south should be ashamed of it, not lauding it like you did something great. You didn't. The civil war was an enormous tragedy that didn't need to happen that was started and fought by the south.
The statues today have no historical function or value of any kind. They are racist symbols of a racist past that the south is known for and should be trying to move on from, not embracing with open arms. And frankly I think the south is finally moving on from its racist past which is exactly why these statues are starting to come down.
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Re: Tearing down confederate statues is only going to make race relations worse. [Re: nooneman] 3
#24575448 - 08/23/17 11:41 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thats the most rediculous thing I have ever read on the shroomery in my whole life. That's like saying America is perfect, America is not perfect my friend and tossing away the history that it took to become what it is today is stupid. Look at the germans for instance they still remember all the horrible shit they did during the world war and have preserved most of it, they are a completly different nation now because they REMEMBER how they once were.
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DieCommie
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Re: Tearing down confederate statues is only going to make race relations worse. [Re: tdubz] 4
#24575471 - 08/23/17 11:57 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Here you are on history again… You really want to compare it to the Germans? They didnt install statues of Nazi leaders after losing the war to intimidate their oppressed and entrench segregation. The south did. The Germans are able to preserve their history just fine without statues of Hitler, Rommal and the Nazi flag. Those symbols are representative of a culture and way of life they now reject. Their history is safe in books, academia and museums.
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tdubz
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Re: Tearing down confederate statues is only going to make race relations worse. [Re: DieCommie] 1
#24575477 - 08/24/17 12:01 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pretty sure there are several holocaust and concentration camp museums preserved till this day in Germany.
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DieCommie
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Re: Tearing down confederate statues is only going to make race relations worse. [Re: tdubz] 4
#24575483 - 08/24/17 12:07 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yep, Im sure their are. That is where history belongs and exists. Not in statues erected after the fact, placed at public buildings. Its clear what they are there for. Not to remember history, but to keep it alive. Keep the culture of segregation and racism alive. The sooner the south divorces itself from its past the better. Then maybe they will actually crack a book to learn about their history rather than venerating statues and propagating myths like states rights.
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DieCommie
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Re: Tearing down confederate statues is only going to make race relations worse. [Re: DieCommie] 1
#24575522 - 08/24/17 12:37 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Im not from the south, Im from the west. Raised in the south west, live in the north west. Growing up a big part of our history classes was about the Indians and the genocide against them. I took many field trips to the Heard Museum. Our lessons didnt whitewash brutality. It was taught as a shameful event in history, as it should be.
Im sure some distasteful monument to American soldiers during the Indian Wars exists somewhere… but I never saw one. I dont need to in order to remember history. I have seen monuments, dedications and art inspired to remember the Indians that lived there before us and acknowledge the ones who live there still. They are generally positive reminders of the past, though some are solemn.
Well, there you can see my communitys way of dealing with a shameful past. Honestly, there is a lot of white guilt in it... but we dont (or shouldnt) memoralize genocide.
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Re: Tearing down confederate statues is only going to make race relations worse. [Re: DieCommie] 1
#24575606 - 08/24/17 01:51 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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@nooneman @DieCommie
Y'all are EXACTLY correct. We should be ashamed of ourselves to have statues up that represent the Confederacy and the slavery involved. All those statues should be and are being removed, thank God.
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Re: Tearing down confederate statues is only going to make race relations worse. [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] 2
#24575702 - 08/24/17 03:28 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dr.Satan
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Re: Tearing down confederate statues is only going to make race relations worse. [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#24575717 - 08/24/17 04:01 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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tyrannicalrex said: Maybe the people that you think might get angry are the problem people? Maybe the whole fucking thing sucks ass? Maybe racist slave owning people or people that condoned slave labor shouldn't be idolized? Maybe I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about? Maybe I'm from Texas and I do?
A large portion of people support slavery in America. Anyone who wants gun rights revoked, thinks government officials have some unique authority to give and take rights, or thinks the state extorting everyone under threat of violence or imprisonment is something they have a right to do is a firm supporter of slavery. Those people are the problem.
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AzurianBlue
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Re: Tearing down confederate statues is only going to make race relations worse. [Re: Dr.Satan]
#24575786 - 08/24/17 05:50 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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A black friend of mine wants the statues to stay. He says if they're taken down, eventually white people will try to deny the civil war/slavery ever happened, or deny that white people put up statues of leaders from that war in public places and gov't buildings to intimidate blacks. I thought it was an interesting perspective
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Re: Tearing down confederate statues is only going to make race relations worse. [Re: FeedingMyDreams]
#24575800 - 08/24/17 06:06 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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I like to think of it like this: if there was a statue of Hitler in my town, I would want it taken down. Maybe to be placed in a museum, somewhere...but taken down none the less.
Nobody likes statues of Hitler.
Edit: no, I am not equating some Union soldiers with Hitler...just using him as a point.
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Re: Tearing down confederate statues is only going to make race relations worse. [Re: trendal] 7
#24575853 - 08/24/17 07:18 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think we should leave the statues, but add statues of Calvin pissing on them.
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lillFish
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Re: Tearing down confederate statues is only going to make race relations worse. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#24575861 - 08/24/17 07:22 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think the problem here is perspective. Why do the people who want it torn down see it as something that is holding them back? Why see it as a symbol of hate? They're looking for every opportunity to blame shift... next, it's going to be something or someone else! The problem is with the people. As long as they continue to blame white people and history for their problems, they'll never achieve anything.
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badchad
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Re: Tearing down confederate statues is only going to make race relations worse. [Re: lillFish] 1
#24575882 - 08/24/17 07:35 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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lillFish said: I think the problem here is perspective. Why do the people who want it torn down see it as something that is holding them back? Why see it as a symbol of hate? They're looking for every opportunity to blame shift... next, it's going to be something or someone else! The problem is with the people. As long as they continue to blame white people and history for their problems, they'll never achieve anything.
The statues celebrate the Confederacy. The Confederacy fought to keep slavery. Slavery is the (literal) epitomy of "holding someone back" and hate.
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Re: Tearing down confederate statues is only going to make race relations worse. [Re: Dr.Satan]
#24575931 - 08/24/17 08:00 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dr.Satan said: Anyone who wants gun rights revoked, thinks government officials have some unique authority to give and take rights, or thinks the state extorting everyone under threat of violence or imprisonment is something they have a right to do is a firm supporter of slavery.
How do you figure? What do gun rights and criminal laws have to do with slavery?
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Asante
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Re: Tearing down confederate statues is only going to make race relations worse. [Re: John Nada]
#24575943 - 08/24/17 08:08 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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FeedingMyDreams said: Really, I will will fight you. I will kick your ass. Come on my to 109 Wilson Lane, Hampton, VA.
109 Wilson Ln is a 900k house in a gated community that's for sale, haha.
I expected it to be a gay bar
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Re: Tearing down confederate statues is only going to make race relations worse. [Re: DieCommie]
#24575945 - 08/24/17 08:09 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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DieCommie said: The history is not gone though… I really dont understand that claim. Nobody is burning books that describe the war. No history is lost. These are monuments. Monuments installed for a reason. They are being taken down for a reason. If anything you should be decrying the removal of art and iconoclasm, not history.
And to the people who say "why not washington or jefferson?"
Yeah, why not? Take em all down. We dont need monuments to men with outdated ideas, and we dont need idol worship.
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Re: Tearing down confederate statues is only going to make race relations worse. [Re: The Ecstatic] 4
#24575957 - 08/24/17 08:14 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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DieCommie said: The history is not gone though… I really dont understand that claim. Nobody is burning books that describe the war. No history is lost. These are monuments. Monuments installed for a reason. They are being taken down for a reason. If anything you should be decrying the removal of art and iconoclasm, not history.
And to the people who say "why not washington or jefferson?"
Yeah, why not? Take em all down. We dont need monuments to men with outdated ideas, and we dont need idol worship.
"to men with outdated ideas"
The men who created this nation and Constitution had outdated ideas? Talk about being ungrateful.
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Asante
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Re: Tearing down confederate statues is only going to make race relations worse. [Re: qman] 1
#24575971 - 08/24/17 08:21 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think its safe to say everybody has outdated views.
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