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OfflineRogerRabbitM
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A question for the science nerds.
    #2455578 - 03/20/04 10:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Lately I've been expermenting with the penis envy strain. I grew this one last year, and it's great and all, but I never really studied it. Now, I'm a bit fascinated with this 'strain'. I called it 'strain' because I'm not so sure that 'species' wouldn't be the better term. The reason I asked for science nerds is I need someone with access to a GC to run some tests.

Look closely at the PE fruits. I'll post pix if anyone needs me to. There is no veil. Cubies, as we all know, have veils. Also, most cubensis produce spores. However, Azurescens don't have veils. I'm curious if PE is the (in)famous Cubensis/Azurescens hybrid we've all read exists? The caps look more like azures than cubies. The stems are snow white like azures. Only 5%-10% will produce spores the way you would expect from a hybrid. However, if you look from a distance, they look like cubies.

My question is if someone with a GC could take a few cubies and a few azures to establish a baseline on the GC, could you then take a PE and see if it fell somewhere down the middle? This isn't my field of expertise, so if someone who knows these things could set me straight, I'd be grateful. Otherwise, I'd like answers. I have dried azures and dried cubies available, so if you have a GC and are qualified to run these tests, lets get to the bottom of this.
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Re: A question for the science nerds. [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #2456617 - 03/21/04 08:09 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

What is a GC ?


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Re: A question for the science nerds. [Re: ragadinks]
    #2456666 - 03/21/04 08:46 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Gas chromatograph


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Re: A question for the science nerds. [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #2458395 - 03/21/04 09:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

IMHO, no need for a GC. The Penis Envy is well known to be a mutant, therefore showing deformities or traits not common to the species at large (lack of veil). Also, reduced or non-existant spore production is a common trait of mutant strains. Allegedly the mutation first showed from an amazonian strain, then was bred stable. I feel pretty confident in this much. Not quite so certain in my mind is that the amazonian strain which first produced the mutant was one which was brought back by the McKenna brothers from their 1971 jungle expedition which can be read about in their fascinating book True Hallucinations. It is also rumured that the penis envy was Terrence Mckenna's personal favorite strain. Being a fan of McKenna and the penis envy, I'd like for that to be true, I'm just not certain that it is.

I've been a fan of the penis envy for some time, hunting down a relatively obscure supplier (spores and magic) years ago, before it was carried by any of our online vendors. I also have a pretty big interest in knowing the history of strains/vendors/etc so I've paid as much attention to these things as I can.

MJ might be able to flesh the details out a little more as he has my same interest in origins and histories, but is a professional at it rather than just a hobbyist like myself.

Although I see your points, Akham's Razor puts it's weight strongly in the mutated cubensis camp rather than the impossibly complicated cube/azure hybrid camp. (Akham's Razor states that all things being equal, the simplest answer is usually the correct one).


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Re: A question for the science nerds. [Re: mycofile]
    #2458540 - 03/21/04 10:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yea, I was just wondering. It 'looks' like an azure in some respects other than size. The trip is similar as well. I don't understand how if it were a mutant, it would reproduce the same 'mutant' each time from spores. It just seems there is something they're not telling us. Maybe not..lol. It's an awesome strain though. The only cubensis that doesn't make me want to puke on high doses.


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Re: A question for the science nerds. [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #2459770 - 03/22/04 11:36 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I doubt it's something they aren't telling us, but we may not know the whole story. If it did come from McKenna, that dude loves to tell his stories so I'm sure he would have shared as much info as possible, especially if it were a hybrid. McKenna was a philosopher and a relatively mediocre cultivator (grew on cased grain IN quart jars). I doubt he had the skills to intentionally create a hybrid. Also, if the strain did originate from the Amazon, there aren't any azures down there for it to be a "natural" hybrid.

Mutations can and do become true breeding, quite often in fact. It's all a reduced gene pool, sometimes created by geography, sometimes through breeding, sometimes by chance.

Just sharing my understanding though, please feel free to explore the subject as the experiments would be interesting to follow whether they reveal a regular cube, a subspecies, a hybrid, or a mutation of some sort.

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Re: A question for the science nerds. [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #2459786 - 03/22/04 11:53 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

there is a strain I been playing with some times that forms like 500 pins to a casing only five or so make it past a couple inches. But they have no veil and very small caps. Super freaks. The caps eather have such a small tight veil that the break very early on or just no veil.

And to form a hybrid wouldnt you need to only take a few spores from two strains, add to a vial with water. Dilute in water about ten or so times to seperate vials. And then take each diluted spore solution and add to pitri dishes. Then hopefully the spores that germanate where bred from the two starting strains. But could also be of the same strain I guess. I wounder how inter species mating of this nature would fare?


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Re: A question for the science nerds. [Re: ]
    #2460090 - 03/22/04 02:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Like this?





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Re: A question for the science nerds. [Re: Anno]
    #2460561 - 03/22/04 04:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

FAROUT
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Re: A question for the science nerds. [Re: Anno]
    #2460581 - 03/22/04 04:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Ha ha ha yes exactly like that but a lil skinyer :crazy:.  Might not be getting optimal gas exchange I suppose or maybe low temps.  Whats your story Anno? Is it just a wierd isolate?


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Re: A question for the science nerds. [Re: ]
    #2463357 - 03/23/04 11:58 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

A couple of years ago I inoculated sterilized pine cones with a P. azurescens syringe.
After a long time mycelium began to grow on them, and a fruit appeared. I thought it was P. azurescens, although it looked rather like P. cubensis, I cloned the mushroom, and grew it out on grain and cased the grain.
The result were the above mushrooms, a PF classic strain that somehow managed to get into the pine cones jar.


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Re: A question for the science nerds. [Re: Anno]
    #2463997 - 03/23/04 04:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Anno said:
A couple of years ago I inoculated  sterilized pine cones with a P. azurescens syringe.
After a long time mycelium began to grow on them, and a fruit appeared. I thought it was P. azurescens, although it looked rather like P. cubensis, I cloned the mushroom, and grew it out on grain and cased the grain.
The result were the above mushrooms, a PF classic strain that somehow managed to get into the pine cones jar.




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