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hamloaf
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
#24552134 - 08/13/17 10:38 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yea, it's a process of drying, and wetting, turning, and repeating a few times before drying it up for storage.
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cronicr



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hamloaf]
#24552135 - 08/13/17 10:39 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yep it sure is its a pretty bad ass system tbh..
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
#24552196 - 08/13/17 11:10 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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hamloaf said: The temperature increase causes the thermophiliac bacteria to thrive while killing off, and, or knocking back competitor bacteria.
I understand the process, but do we know why thermophilic bacteria is beneficial to our needs and the other bacteria isn't?
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
#24552206 - 08/13/17 11:18 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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What the fuck is a thermophiliac
Thermopiles won't just land out of the air. Wind sunshine and time won't magically inoculate your coir with that kind of micro life. Mix it with some manure and moisten it then leave it out would.
"Beneficial bacteria" makes it sound like they help the mycelium, they don't. They keep competitor molds from germination. Coir is great as it has no thermophiles and doesn't like to mold naturally. Why put unnecessary bacteria in, it's a misunderstanding of the term beneficial.
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natedawgnow
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta]
#24552219 - 08/13/17 11:28 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think coir is really contam resistant, but not contam proof. Maybe it's rare and partially conditionally and seasonally dependent. You're right though cron, pasteurizing won't do anything with no microbial life present. But those blocks do sit in swampy areas of the world in high humidity.
There is a lot more than just coir swept up into those compressors and thermophiles can come from any number of decaying materials including compost and food and what have you. If eco earth also packages peat, which they do, then thermophilic bacteria is present in small fibers of peat that could very easily have been swept up into the coir, which would make pasteurization possible
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta]
#24552223 - 08/13/17 11:29 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Agreed just avoid shitty coir ...omg though I just scored a truck load of aged cow n horse manure.. fucking stoked.
On another cool note...we had some horses from the states here for a show a couple months back....my buddy just posted pics of cyans growing from the manure!
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
#24552292 - 08/14/17 12:55 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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They keep competitor molds from germination.
Right, how do we know this? Or how did we figure it out? Just luckily the bacteria that can survive hotter temperatures are nice to us so we wound up with a sweet way of only keeping them around called pasteurization?
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natedawgnow
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Pasteurization is named for louis pasteur who figured out that heating food items to a temp that kills bacteria but doesn't cook the food will help it stay fresh for longer. He figured it out by heating beer to a temp that killed most pathogens in the beer preventing spoilage. It wasn't luck, it was years of intense observation, trials and tests, and finally proving his concept. It wasn't really all that long ago. Late 1800s I think.
Thermophiles don't propagate at temps less than 100f most of the time. So when you heat up substrate to a temp higher than 140 all mold spores die and most bacteria but not the thermophiles which will actually begin to propagate and colonize the substrate even during the heating period. Since the sub is fully colonized by bacteria now, lesser fungi spores can't really germ on it but fungi can still colonize over it. I know you understand how pasteurization works but I figured I'd type it anyway
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#24552598 - 08/14/17 07:14 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Okay, lets make sure I have this correct. As long as I have clean spawn, and I have pasteurized my substrate accordingly I believe I read I could spawn to my tub in open air, I could even "be scratching my ass" while doing it and it would be safe. So what happens if a trich spore is floating around and lands on my sub?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#24552670 - 08/14/17 07:57 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: Pasteurization is named for louis pasteur who figured out that heating food items to a temp that kills bacteria but doesn't cook the food will help it stay fresh for longer. He figured it out by heating beer to a temp that killed most pathogens in the beer preventing spoilage. It wasn't luck, it was years of intense observation, trials and tests, and finally proving his concept. It wasn't really all that long ago. Late 1800s I think.
Thermophiles don't propagate at temps less than 100f most of the time. So when you heat up substrate to a temp higher than 140 all mold spores die and most bacteria but not the thermophiles which will actually begin to propagate and colonize the substrate even during the heating period. Since the sub is fully colonized by bacteria now, lesser fungi spores can't really germ on it but fungi can still colonize over it. I know you understand how pasteurization works but I figured I'd type it anyway
Yeah, I obviously know about pasteurization and Pasteur. The part of your post that cleared up my confusion was about the sub being colonized by the thermophiles. So in the grand scheme of things, they're the lesser evil when compared to mold spores and shit like trichoderma because they're not raping and shitting spores all over our subs. And our mycelium can coexist well enough so we'd rather have them than -140F shit in there. Sweet.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: stareatclouds] 1
#24552994 - 08/14/17 11:19 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Pasteurization in anything but mycology is to kill as much life as possible and leave nothing behind that will grow in the product at all. While maintaining food taste, appearance, flavor, etc..
Our pasteurisation could be called microbial shifting. To actually pasteurise manure would require massive PU(pasteurisation units) since it has such a high cfu load to start with.
Beer is usually very low in contaminants picked up on the way from brewing to bottle. Pasteurisation of beer is very easy.
Thermophilic bacteria creates on a small scale lactic acid and other acids that probably serve to inhibit spore germination of molds while not lowering overall pH to a unacceptable level
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#24555026 - 08/15/17 05:47 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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I got some golden teacher jars knocked up last night. Thankfully they were in pasty plates and I could tiger drop them. But I also did some lion's mane, which were in baby food jars. I will NEVER use baby food jars again. What a pain in the ass. Being that I only do no pour agar at the moment, I'll be needing a few more packs of mini rounds. I'm glad none of my active cultures are in those bull shit jars.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: dhype773]
#24555053 - 08/15/17 06:11 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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There is a relationship between some of the non beneficial bacteria and Trich...Bacterial infections from Pseudomonas inhibit Trich germination from what I've read...
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crispykoot]
#24555553 - 08/15/17 11:13 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why not culture up some good germs an spray it in/on your sub?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LemurLemur]
#24555560 - 08/15/17 11:16 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Or.... if they can put antibiotics in the agar, why not in the sub.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta]
#24555684 - 08/15/17 12:22 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Thermophilic bacteria creates on a small scale lactic acid and other acids that probably serve to inhibit spore germination of molds while not lowering overall pH to a unacceptable level
That's very interesting. That's the concept I was looking for.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Kenetic]
#24556169 - 08/15/17 04:09 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nice man, there are some big ones there.
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