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InvisibleSwami
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Recap of 50 years of US Terrorism
    #2454905 - 03/20/04 05:44 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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From KryssTal - Why USA ? : Civilian Victims of USA Foreign Policy

Period Country USA Policy Details Civilians Killed

1948 Vietnam Support of French efforts to recolonise. thousands
1950 Bahamas Biological tests (with Canada and UK). unknown
1950 Korea Stopping refugees crossing the front line. hundreds
1952 Cuba Support for military coup and death squads. thousands
1952 Korea
China Biological warfare. unknown
1954+ Guatemala Organisation of military coup; arming and training of government death squads. 100,000 +
1957+ Haiti Support for brutal dictatorship. 60,000
1962 Cuba Attack on industrial facility. 400
1963 Iraq Supplying military government with lists of dissidents to be eliminated. thousands
1964 North Vietnam Blanket bombing. unknown
1964 Brazil Support for brutal dictatorship. 75,000 +
1965 Indonesia Supplying government with lists of dissidents to be eliminated. thousands
1965 to 1973 Laos Blanket bombing. hundreds of thousands
1965 Peru Setting up military camps to eliminate dissidents. unknown
1967 Vietnam "Friendly Fire". 80
1968 Vietnam My Lai Massacre by USA troops over 200
1970 Vietnam Chemical warfare. thousands
1970 Laos Chemical warfare. Over 100
1971 Vietnam Military action. 5,000
1972 Vietnam Blanket bombing. unknown
1972 Lebanon
Syria Air attacks by Israel supported by the USA. hundreds
1973 Chile Organisation and support of military coup and its follow-up actions. 5,000
1969 to 1973 Cambodia Blanket bombing, mostly in secret. 600,000
1964 to 1975 Vietnam
Laos Blanket bombing. 2,500,000 +
1939 to 1975 Spain Financial support for brutal dictatorship. 192,684
1975 to 1979 Cambodia Khmer Rouge auto-genocide resulting from five years of secret bombing. 2,500,000 +
1975 to 1999 East Timor Support and arming of Indonesian invasion and genocide (with UK and Australia). 200,000
1975 Iraq Abandoning of former Kurdish allies. unknown
1939 to 1975 Spain Financial support for brutal dictator. unknown
1976 Nicaragua Massacre of dissidents by supported and armed un-elected government. thousands
1978 Lebanon Supporting of invasion by Israel. 700
1978+ Guatemala Arming, training and support of government death squads. 20,000
1953 to 1979 Iran Support and finance for unelected, brutal government put in place by USA and UK. unknown
1979 Nicaragua Support and arming of unelected, brutal government put in place by USA. 30,000
1980 to 1992 El Salvador Training, arming and financial backing for government death squads. 75,000
1980 to 1990 Iran Support and arms for invasion by Iraq. 1,000,000
1980 Italy Support and finance for urban terrorists. 86
1980 South Korea Massacre of dissidents by military government armed and supported by USA. thousands
1981 Lebanon Support of bombing raids by Israel. 320
1982 Lebanon Support for invasion by Israel including use of UN veto. 17,500 +
1982 to 1986 Guatemala Support and arming of brutal, military regime. 50,000 +
1982 to 1990 Chad Training and arming of military regime. thousands
1983 Grenada Invasion to remove leader. 500
1976 to 1984 Argentina Support and finance for military regime. 30,000
1986 Nicaragua Support and arming of former government troops for destabilisation. 50,000
1986 Libya Military attack on oil installations. 70 +
1987 to 1992 Palestinian Territories Support and finance for occupation and settlement building by Israel. 1000 +
1983 to 1987 Lebanon Support and arms for military action by Israel and CIA sponsored terrorism. 50,000 +
1988 Iran Shooting down of commercial passenger airliner. 286
1988 Iraq Support (with UK), finance and arms for regime which uses poison gas on its Kurdish population. 6,000
1989 Panama Invasion to remove leader. 4,000 +
1991 Iraq Invasion (with UK and other countries). 200,000
1992 Somalia Invasion. 7,000
1974 to 1992 Angola Arming and support for rebels destabilising country. 650,000 +
1986 to 1994 Colombia Finance (with UK oil companies) and support for regime that kills dissidents. 20,000 +
1995 to 1998 Turkey Arms and finance for regime that kills dissidents and its Kurdish population. 27,000 +
1995 Mexico Military aid to supress dissidents. unknown
1996 Lebanon Arms and support for Israel in its occupation. 120
1996 Palestinian Territories Arms and finance for Israeli occupation. 80 +
1997 Rwanda Arms and finance for regime that kills dissidents. 6,000
1965 to 1997 Indonesia Arms, support and finance for brutal dictatorship. 1,000,000
1990 to 1997 Iraq Pressure on UN to impose and maintain sanctions and bombing raids (with UK support). 1,200,000 +
1998 Afghanistan Finance (with UK) for brutal Taliban government. 2,000 +
1998 Sudan Bombing. unknown
1986 to 1998 Guatemala Support, finance and arms for regimes that kill dissidents. 200,000
1999 Yugoslavia Bombing (with other NATO countries). thousands
1999 Iraq Bombing (with UK support). hundreds
1991 to 1999 Kuwait
Iraq Unexploded cluster bombs. 1,620
2000 Palestinian Territories Support, arms and finance for occupation and settlement building by Israel. hundreds
2001 Colombia Arms and training for regime that kills dissidents. 18
2001 Palestinian Territories Support, arms and finance for occupation and settlement building by Israel. hundreds
2001 Afghanistan Bombing (with UK). 3760 +
1995 to 2001 Peru Helping military shoot down aircraft suspected of drug running. unknown
2002 Palestinian Territories Political support, finance and arms. hundreds
2002 Angola Intelligence. unknown
2002 Iraq Bombing (with UK). unknown
2002 Yemen Missile attack on vehicle. 6
2003 Iraq Invasion (with UK). unknown


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Re: Recap of 50 years of US Terrorism [Re: Swami]
    #2454929 - 03/20/04 05:50 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

But that wasn't terrorism, it was "spreading freedom and democracy"  :wink:


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Re: Recap of 50 years of US Terrorism [Re: Swami]
    #2454936 - 03/20/04 05:54 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

[redneck voice]
If you hate America so much, why don't you go to Cuba, commie!
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Re: Recap of 50 years of US Terrorism [Re: Swami]
    #2455029 - 03/20/04 06:25 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Don't forget all the terrorism we support by buying drugs.  :spliff: :stash: :pill2: :syringe: :nonono:


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Re: Recap of 50 years of US Terrorism [Re: Swami]
    #2455364 - 03/20/04 08:36 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

The more shit you talk about America, the stronger it gets. :yawn:


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Re: Recap of 50 years of US Terrorism [Re: ]
    #2455412 - 03/20/04 09:15 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

you smell like my ass when farting, or your just stupid i can't make up my mind


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Re: Recap of 50 years of US Terrorism [Re: ]
    #2455425 - 03/20/04 09:20 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Please read the rules for this forum before posting. There's no flaming allowed here. Keep the flames in OTD where they belong.


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Re: Recap of 50 years of US Terrorism [Re: ]
    #2455907 - 03/21/04 12:42 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Go to the first page of the forum. Click the sticky post at the top titled "Political Forum Rules". Read the post. Follow the rule.

You get one warning before you are brought to the attention of the administrators. This is that warning.

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Re: Recap of 50 years of US Terrorism [Re: Swami]
    #2456045 - 03/21/04 02:11 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

you people will put any killing into the terrorism catergory.


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Re: Recap of 50 years of US Terrorism [Re: downforpot]
    #2456371 - 03/21/04 04:19 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, I understand, the USA only kills for truth, God & justice and everyone else is evil.

Perhaps as a predominently Christian nation, we just might consider actually following the teachings of Christ and realize that all killing is wrong.


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Re: Recap of 50 years of US Terrorism [Re: downforpot]
    #2456375 - 03/21/04 04:23 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

you people will put any killing into the terrorism catergory.

Us people? There is only one of me. I am not part of any affiliation. Can you not discuss something without some arbitrary and false categorization? BTW, I served my country honorably in the Viet Nam war era and have earned the right to speak my mind.

Let's take a hypothetical for a moment. Pretend that you are a hard-working, non-political Iraqi father whose daughter was blown to bits. You decide to take revenge for this evil act that has destroyed your family. Is that justice or terrorism? No rhetoric or dance-around - just a straight answer please.


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Re: Recap of 50 years of US Terrorism [Re: Swami]
    #2456611 - 03/21/04 08:02 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Nice post, Swami. Good to see you back in P,A&L.

One day hopefully people will realize that patriotism doesn't mean giving your country (and least of all its political leaders) a free pass for its wrongdoing. Quite the contrary: those who want the best for their country and for the world as a whole will hold their own country to the highest possible standards, even if no other country in the world meets those same standards.

The road to political and cultural ruin is paved with excuses and buck-passing.

I would only take issue with one point: "I served my country honorably in the Viet Nam war era and have earned the right to speak my mind."

I don't think one has to earn the right to speak one's mind. That's yours from the very beginning. What your service has earned you however is the right to speak your mind without having your motives impugned by chickenhawk chickenshits.


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Re: Recap of 50 years of US Terrorism [Re: EchoVortex]
    #2457089 - 03/21/04 01:17 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think one has to earn the right to speak one's mind. That's yours from the very beginning. What your service has earned you however is the right to speak your mind without having your motives impugned by chickenhawk chickenshits.

Your statement is much more correct and complete than mine.


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Re: Recap of 50 years of US Terrorism [Re: EchoVortex]
    #2457624 - 03/21/04 05:04 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

EchoVortex said:
One day hopefully people will realize that patriotism doesn't mean giving your country (and least of all its political leaders) a free pass for its wrongdoing.  Quite the contrary: those who want the best for their country and for the world as a whole will hold their own country to the highest possible standards, even if no other country in the world meets those same standards.


:thumbup:

Many people in the modern day United States confuse nationalism with patriotism, blindly following holders of power and saluting the flag while they rail against and act against the very ideals upon which their nation was supposed to be built upon.


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Re: Recap of 50 years of US Terrorism [Re: Swami]
    #2461803 - 03/22/04 11:07 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

i was talking to this, what i thought was someone who had family ties to the middle east. he was black, but he had an accent of an arab, so i had to guess middle eastern. He was a real nice guy, we were watching wolf blitzer (the guy who never sleeps... probably a robot) talk about the assassination of the hamas leader.

We were talking about how easy it is for the israelis and the "allies" to label strikes by these militias as "attacks or terrorism". But when israel attacks, its offensive measures :wink:.

This made me think about how easily it is to miss the facts when you pay attention to the media, or trust the leaders in power... how they can use words to manipulate the viewers perception. No one calls those things you mentioned terrorism... because they pre defined the terminology... and got plenty of people to believe in them.

That... is bullshit :wink:. But, at least im aware of it!


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Re: Recap of 50 years of US Terrorism [Re: Zero7a1]
    #2470000 - 03/25/04 03:02 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I think everyone just forgets the fact that the United States spends more money then any other national on weapons that reduce civilian deaths. If I remember correctly 55 years ago a certain nation took over half as Europe in war, killing an estimated 12 million civilians, and creating death camps to exterminate people. Here we are going into weaker countries and taking out a country, and rebuilding an opressed society into the modern world (I know its selfish and not our "right"). So when you weigh it out you realize we make this world a safer and smarter place. So far civilian deaths during a war time effort has been on the decline since the end of desert storm.


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Re: Recap of 50 years of US Terrorism [Re: Azazel990]
    #2470202 - 03/25/04 03:54 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

We still need more practice tho.


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Re: Recap of 50 years of US Terrorism [Re: Azazel990]
    #2473663 - 03/25/04 06:05 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I think everyone just forgets the fact that the United States spends more money then any other national on weapons that reduce civilian deaths.

Where the hell did you hear this? We've been dropping depleted Uranium in wars now for the past ten years. That hardly sounds like we're trying to cut down on civilian destruction

Here we are going into weaker countries and taking out a country, and rebuilding an opressed society into the modern world

Exactly how does the CIA playing sides with military governments for whatever current U.S. interests are equate to rebuilding societies?

So when you weigh it out you realize we make this world a safer and smarter place. So far civilian deaths during a war time effort has been on the decline since the end of desert storm.

Civilian deaths down? Most sources are citing that at least 10,000 Iraqi civilians died in the Iraq war. Thousands supposedly died in Afghanistan. Civilian deaths are not going down, you just don't hear about them since the Telecommunications Act of 1996 says that media outlets should not mention anything about civilian casualties.

If I remember correctly 55 years ago a certain nation took over half as Europe in war, killing an estimated 12 million civilians, and creating death camps to exterminate people

Are you even trying to justify the questionable actions of the United States using Hitler's concentration camps as an example? This comment leaves me speechless.


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