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Re: Ergot Alive in My Refrigerator [Re: P. semilanceata]
    #24544271 - 08/10/17 07:14 PM (2 months, 9 days ago)

Assuming your living in the right area and ergot does grow almost everywhere in the temperate World.

Once you notice it. You'll see it's not rare once your eyes get used to looking for it.


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Re: Ergot Alive in My Refrigerator [Re: Mandarinfish]
    #24545212 - 08/11/17 03:27 AM (2 months, 9 days ago)

What is possible with culturing this?

Can you make some kind of tea for drinking? :laugh:


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Re: Ergot Alive in My Refrigerator [Re: Milk Chan]
    #24546889 - 08/11/17 09:06 PM (2 months, 8 days ago)

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What is possible with culturing this?

Can you make some kind of tea for drinking? :laugh:




Don't drink ergot tea it could really mess you up permanently. :sad:

Read up on Ergotism.

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Re: Ergot Alive in My Refrigerator [Re: Mandarinfish]
    #24547695 - 08/12/17 07:33 AM (2 months, 7 days ago)

Wow, so that's how witches are made!

But seriously, how does one use a culture of this and not get poisoned?


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Re: Ergot Alive in My Refrigerator [Re: Milk Chan]
    #24547759 - 08/12/17 09:03 AM (2 months, 7 days ago)

I dont think they are covered in poisonous alkaloids. They are inside the tissue. As you can see in youtube video posted they can be handled barehanded.

Edit. If you mean using it for chemistry experiments you must use cloves and be very careful. If you cannot imagine how to do it, you should not try it.


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Re: Ergot Alive in My Refrigerator [Re: P. semilanceata]
    #24557808 - 08/16/17 12:18 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

On the way back home this morning along the sidewalk while riding my mountain bike I noticed some ergot growing on the ryegrass.

There's lots in that one location. I may go back at night this week so nobody wonders why I'm picking grass beside a main road in my city.

I'll be buying some rye grain at the end of the month to plant and I know there will be some ergot in that also. 



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Re: Ergot Alive in My Refrigerator [Re: Mandarinfish]
    #24558260 - 08/16/17 03:50 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

There are three reasons to collect and grow C. purpurea:

1. For the fun of it (cool to get the sclerotia to fruit, the cultural association with LSD etc.)
2. Extract ergotamine, reflux boil/hydrolyze to lysergic acid and follow a LSD synthesis.
3. Tregar found a method to grow Claviceps purpurea which manipulate it to create ergonovine instead of the ergotoxines (ergotamine etc.) and posted this on "The Nook" forums. I did a write up on the topic on dmt-nexus. It's basically a method to grow ergot on a solid medium of Wheat. Simple enough to perform in your kitchen.
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&m=584693#post584693
http://horizon.documentation.ird.fr/exl-doc/pleins_textes/pleins_textes_6/b_fdi_33-34/39188.pdf


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Re: Ergot Alive in My Refrigerator [Re: knarkkorven]
    #24559846 - 08/17/17 10:09 AM (2 months, 2 days ago)

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There are three reasons to collect and grow C. purpurea:

1. For the fun of it (cool to get the sclerotia to fruit, the cultural association with LSD etc.)
2. Extract ergotamine, reflux boil/hydrolyze to lysergic acid and follow a LSD synthesis.
3. Tregar found a method to grow Claviceps purpurea which manipulate it to create ergonovine instead of the ergotoxines (ergotamine etc.) and posted this on "The Nook" forums. I did a write up on the topic on dmt-nexus. It's basically a method to grow ergot on a solid medium of Wheat. Simple enough to perform in your kitchen.
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&m=584693#post584693
http://horizon.documentation.ird.fr/exl-doc/pleins_textes/pleins_textes_6/b_fdi_33-34/39188.pdf




What's LSD?  :grin:


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Re: Ergot Alive in My Refrigerator [Re: Mandarinfish]
    #24565071 - 08/19/17 02:42 PM (2 months, 14 hours ago)

thank you knarkkorven. great links!

I was doing some more research on Claviceps purpurea and came across an old thread by you with some beautiful photos (your photos!).
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14762126

Do the fruit bodies contain ergonovine?


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Re: Ergot Alive in My Refrigerator [Re: Milk Chan]
    #24565484 - 08/19/17 05:55 PM (2 months, 11 hours ago)

Did you also see my other threads? :smile:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13180405
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16709127 (lots of nice photos in this thread)
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18648824
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/usergallery.php/gallery/145952/imgpp/all/folder/Claviceps+purpurea the complete claviceps gallery

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Do the fruit bodies contain ergonovine?



Yes, but only a small amount compared to the peptides (ergotamine etc.). That's why growing on solid substrate is so interesting! It creates an almost clean alkaloid profile (93%) of the psychedelic ergonovine, and ergotamine is eliminated!


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Re: Ergot Alive in My Refrigerator [Re: knarkkorven]
    #24607923 - 09/06/17 09:22 AM (1 month, 13 days ago)

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3. Tregar found a method to grow Claviceps purpurea which manipulate it to create ergonovine instead of the ergotoxines (ergotamine etc.) and posted this on "The Nook" forums. I did a write up on the topic on dmt-nexus. It's basically a method to grow ergot on a solid medium of Wheat. Simple enough to perform in your kitchen.
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&m=584693#post584693
http://horizon.documentation.ird.fr/exl-doc/pleins_textes/pleins_textes_6/b_fdi_33-34/39188.pdf




I don't know if I'd say that study is necessarily reproducible. As I see it they started from spores and only did a test of 3 solid state media vs 3 liquid media, couldn't that just come down to luck of the draw/genetics? If they did numerous tests and got the same results or even if they only used a single culture and displayed different results it would be more reliable. It's valuable information and they may be on to something, but I wouldn't just run with it and stick that in my body.

Now with that said ergot in general is not as toxic as many seem to say so you could start small and work your way up. People used to, and likely still do, eat the raw sclerotia medicinally. Even with the toxic peptides it's just down to dose, it's not an all or nothing thing. I believe most cases of tissue necrosis were due to cumulative effects from eating it daily, not from eating a once off loaf of contaminated bread.


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Re: Ergot Alive in My Refrigerator [Re: krypto2000]
    #24608794 - 09/06/17 03:40 PM (1 month, 13 days ago)

I strongly suspect that plenty of people have exploited that technique who were not [ahem] biologists and therefore saw no reason to publish their results.  [wink, wink].  If the method failed to produce the results specified, we would have heard of that loooong ago.  :biggrin:


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Re: Ergot Alive in My Refrigerator [Re: Nature Boy]
    #24608952 - 09/06/17 04:35 PM (1 month, 13 days ago)

Why do you think that? If anything I'd assume the opposite, the lack of reports is a sign it doesn't work. I don't think it doesn't work though, but just saying if it was an either or case I'd favor that one.

You don't need to be a biologist to publish a report after all, you could just make a forum post, yet no one seems to have done so. If it worked reliably wouldn't you expect some reports of that nature?

In general the impression I get of others is that they think ergot is a deadly poison to be avoided at all costs, many even think touching it is dangerous. So if someone did attempt this then either they'd be consuming it at their own risk or they're qualified enough to analyze the broth and thus they're probably capable of turning it into LSD. It's not like mushrooms where if you grow a mushroom and it looks right it's safe to eat, this would be more like drinking a liquid culture or extracting a jar of grain. Unless you have a microscope or run some TLC plates on an extract you can't possibly know what you've made is safe and contaminant free.


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Re: Ergot Alive in My Refrigerator [Re: krypto2000]
    #24627063 - 09/13/17 07:45 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

I got 10 pounds of Winter Rye seeds in the mail recently and will be planting that along with the wild ergot I found.


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Re: Ergot Alive in My Refrigerator [Re: Mandarinfish]
    #24627717 - 09/14/17 01:49 AM (1 month, 6 days ago)

What's you plan? Just harvest any sclerotia that pop up or are you trying to get cultures growing?


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Re: Ergot Alive in My Refrigerator [Re: dr.alkaline]
    #24627769 - 09/14/17 02:35 AM (1 month, 6 days ago)

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF03045320

Not sure if ergotamine tartrate is what you are going for, but I wouldn't be surprised if people are actually doing it exactly like this. I know field growing still makes up a huge chunk of ergot cultivation even today and the extraction method is pretty straight forward.


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Re: Ergot Alive in My Refrigerator [Re: dr.alkaline]
    #24628232 - 09/14/17 10:01 AM (1 month, 5 days ago)

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What's you plan? Just harvest any sclerotia that pop up or are you trying to get cultures growing?




I'm going to be growing the Winter Rye in the same location and find more wild ergot to
inoculate the rye seed heads with like in the ergot video in this post.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21732135#21732135

In time when I get it right I'll have lots of ergot to play with.

Culturing ergot fungus isn't easy. Exploiting the natural cycle is a lot easier I think.

The other thing, with ergot sclerotia you can store them for a while and not be pressured to
extract the alkaloids from them. Whereas with cultures they can't be stored for long or will go bad.


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    #24637953 - 09/17/17 02:40 PM (1 month, 2 days ago)

:smile: fucking A ergot would be a fun adventure... Just throwing it out there I have no idea about growing ergot but if I were dead set on doing it here is where I would come


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Re: Ergot Alive in My Refrigerator [Re: Jbigtree]
    #24645644 - 09/20/17 05:13 AM (1 month, 20 minutes ago)

I'm looking to get an All American pressure Cooker/Sterilizer so I can do some sterile work later on.
I used to have an old pressure cooker with rubber gaskets and it leaked so I got rid of it.
Like how long can a person handle contaminations before going crazy?
All Americans seems the way to go if you want quality so I'll probably order one this week.

I'll be planting my Winter Wye this weekend. :cool:


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Re: Ergot Alive in My Refrigerator [Re: Mandarinfish]
    #24647313 - 09/20/17 08:00 PM (30 days, 9 hours ago)

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I'm looking to get an All American pressure Cooker/Sterilizer so I can do some sterile work later on.
I used to have an old pressure cooker with rubber gaskets and it leaked so I got rid of it.
Like how long can a person handle contaminations before going crazy?
All Americans seems the way to go if you want quality so I'll probably order one this week.

I'll be planting my Winter Wye this weekend. :cool:



All americans are the gold standard but a bit pricey. I used a large presto for years and it was reeeaaallly good to me.


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