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Military Propaganda
    #2454319 - 03/20/04 02:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

from an email I recieved... :

SLEEP LAST NIGHT?



Bed a little lumpy...



Toss and turn any...


Wish the heat was higher...


Maybe the a/c wasn?t on...


Had to go to the john...


Need a drink of water...



?

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Yes...
It is like that!
Count your blessings, pray for them,
Talk to God
and
the next time
when...
the other car cuts you off and you must hit the brakes,
or
you have to park a little further from Walmart than you want to be,
or
you?re served slightly warm food at the restaurant,
or
you?re sitting and cursing the traffic in front of you,
or
the shower runs out of hot water,

Think of them...

Protecting your freedom!

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Alright, this is complete and utter bullshit. Who is responsible for sending me this letter? A republican. What do Republicans profess to stand for? Personal Responsibility. So, why then, is this Republican asking me to feel sorry for these people because of the choice that they made? Where is the personal responsibility in that?

I know that when I look at these people, I am supposed to see heroes. But all I see is a bunch of bullies. Seriously, these people look exactly like the assholes that kicked the crap out of me every day in Jr. High, and I dont feel the slightest bit bad about the fact that they are going to die so that i can have cheap gasoline. What goes around comes around.

I might feel bad for them if they were draftees that didnt want to be there. But thats not the case.

THEY made the choice to become professional bullies. THEY made the choice to make killing their business. Live by the sword, die by the sword. No skin off my back.

See, I just dont have any respect for anybody who decides to join the military. Its basically like signing all your rights away to the government. I think its one of the most stupid things a person can do to themselves and the people around them.

Ghandi once said: "I can think of a million causes worth dying for, but not a single cause worth killing for."

I believe that. And I refuse to see these people as martyrs. They are part of the problem.


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Re: Military Propaganda [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2454510 - 03/20/04 03:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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DoctorJ said:
Alright, this is complete and utter bullshit. Who is responsible for sending me this letter? A republican. What do Republicans profess to stand for? Personal Responsibility. So, why then, is this Republican asking me to feel sorry for these people because of the choice that they made? Where is the personal responsibility in that?




let me guess, if John Waffleboy Kerry had sent this EXACT same e-mail out to show his "support" of the troops, you'd be jizzing all over it, right? of course. You shouldn't feel sorry for them, nor did it ask you to. It is putting things in perspective.
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I know that when I look at these people, I am supposed to see heroes. But all I see is a bunch of bullies. Seriously, these people look exactly like the assholes that kicked the crap out of me every day in Jr. High, and I dont feel the slightest bit bad about the fact that they are going to die so that i can have cheap gasoline. What goes around comes around.




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See, I just dont have any respect for anybody who decides to join the military. Its basically like signing all your rights away to the government. I think its one of the most stupid things a person can do to themselves and the people around them.




Do you hear that? It sounds like a vagina actually learned to talk!
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Ghandi once said: "I can think of a million causes worth dying for, but not a single cause worth killing for."




Anyoen can die for a cause, it takes someone who is commited to a cause to kill for it.
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I believe that. And I refuse to see these people as martyrs. They are part of the problem.




Ugh, meet the ignore list.


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Re: Military Propaganda [Re: TheOneYouKnow]
    #2454543 - 03/20/04 03:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

"......................................................"

:lol: :lol: :lol:


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Re: Military Propaganda [Re: TheOneYouKnow]
    #2454614 - 03/20/04 04:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Scumfucks like you



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becuase you are a pussy



From the Political Forum Rules:
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1) NO FLAMING ...if you can't state your case or refute someone elses case without calling them "stupid" or an "idiot"..etc...Then don't bother posting here. This forum is for intelligent debate, not to try to belittle someone that doesn't think like you. THIS WILL BE STRICTLY ENFORCED ... If you have been warned already, you will receive a temporary ban, if you continue to flame you will be banned permanently...choose your words wisely or suffer the consequences.




I'd edit that post before Pinky does.


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Re: Military Propaganda [Re: silversoul7]
    #2454634 - 03/20/04 04:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

sssssssssssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhutup, dude. :wink:


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Re: Military Propaganda [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2454651 - 03/20/04 04:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You should just send them an email back with this link.

http://aztlan.net/iraqichildrenhorror.htm

or why not show them all the people in africa starving, infected with aids? These people just like to prey on the weak minded, to help them support their cause. Personally, i think they are full of shit.

I agree with you, They Chose to go there... its not like this is some new story. I would have hated to be the soldiers in WW1 with the nasty trenches filled with rats and pestilence, with the constant threat of mustard gas.


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Re: Military Propaganda [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2454665 - 03/20/04 04:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:nonono:
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I know that when I look at these people, I am supposed to see heroes. But all I see is a bunch of bullies. Seriously, these people look exactly like the assholes that kicked the crap out of me every day in Jr. High, and I dont feel the slightest bit bad about the fact that they are going to die so that i can have cheap gasoline. What goes around comes around. 





Regardless of how you feel about the war, or Bush, saying something like that is inconceivable.  It is repugnant to the point of pity.

Were the Amercian soldiers also "part of the problem" when they fought Hitler's forces?


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Re: Military Propaganda [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #2454686 - 03/20/04 04:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

excuse me for holding people accountable for their actions. The decision to inflict your views on someone else with violence is always a wrong one, even if your views are of the purest libertarian motives. self defense is one thing, but initiating force is entirely different.

and dont even try to use WWII as an example. WWII was the 9-11 of the AARP generation. It was a crisis that was engineered by those in power in order to justify taking away people's freedom.


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Re: Military Propaganda [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2454730 - 03/20/04 04:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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excuse me for holding people accountable for their actions. The decision to inflict your views on someone else with violence is always a wrong one, even if your views are of the purest libertarian motives. self defense is one thing, but initiating force is entirely different.




Then hold the politicians accountable.  Soldiers have absolutely NO say in what conflicts they participate in.

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and dont even try to use WWII as an example. WWII was the 9-11 of the AARP generation. It was a crisis that was engineered by those in power in order to justify taking away people's freedom. 




Are you fucking kidding me?  :wtf:


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Re: Military Propaganda [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #2454751 - 03/20/04 04:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Then hold the politicians accountable. Soldiers have absolutely NO say in what conflicts they participate in.





THEY make the decision to become soldiers in the first place.  THEY make the decision to fight.  I will not feel sorry for someone else's bad choices. 

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Are you fucking kidding me?




nope.  I thouroughly believe that both sides in that conflict were ultimately working for the same people.  That shouldnt be hard for you to understand, Mr. Celine :smile:


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Re: Military Propaganda [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2454801 - 03/20/04 05:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I thought you just said that you self-defense is permittable, but then condemn those who do just that?


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  nope. I thouroughly believe that both sides in that conflict were ultimately working for the same people. That shouldnt be hard for you to understand, Mr. Celine 




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Re: Military Propaganda [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2454819 - 03/20/04 05:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:<<Then hold the politicians accountable. Soldiers have absolutely NO say in what conflicts they participate in. >>:

HagbardC, you are 100% right on target with that.

Theoneyouknow, I think you're pretty much correct and i agree with ya in feeling anger, thing is this is'nt a barroom. "Brawl breaks out"

If bush thought there were WMD's, planned for use against the u.s. as he portrayed it on tv, and sent in soldiers to find them, then thats the way it is. He is in charge of protecting the u.s. However if he now thinks there are none then he needs to get the soldiers home right now.


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Re: Military Propaganda [Re: TheOneYouKnow]
    #2454858 - 03/20/04 05:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Sigh.

Lights out for you, TOYK. See you in fourteen days -- if the admins let you back at all after this one.

pinky


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Re: Military Propaganda [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2454903 - 03/20/04 05:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I don't read it as anyone wanting you to feel sorry for the soldiers. I read it as they think you should quit whining and feeling sorry for yourself. And I think they are right.

And maybe it isn't all about cheap gas. Maybe it is so that people can build things like the $150 billion Trans-Atlantic Maglev without having to worry that some terrorist will blow it up.


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Re: Military Propaganda [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #2454917 - 03/20/04 05:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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mntlfngrs said:
I don't read it as anyone wanting you to feel sorry for the soldiers. I read it as they think you should quit whining and feeling sorry for yourself. And I think they are right.



I think you're partially correct, but there's definitely a strong subtext there of "Support our brave troops!" To assume that the motive behind that email was entirely non-political would be rather naive.


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Re: Military Propaganda [Re: silversoul7]
    #2454924 - 03/20/04 05:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Sure but to read in that they want your simpathy is a stretch too.


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Re: Military Propaganda [Re: TheOneYouKnow]
    #2455003 - 03/20/04 06:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

First, bye.

Second, what about all of our innocent victims? What about all of the innocent people we have killed and whom have died for our "freedom", people who never volunteered to throw themselves in front of a bullet for us?

When do they get their recognition? When do we start forcing school children to say the "Pledge of Apology" in school to honor all those who gave their lives for our country against their will ?


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Re: Military Propaganda [Re: Zero7a1]
    #2455018 - 03/20/04 06:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You should just send them an email back with this link.

http://aztlan.net/iraqichildrenhorror.htm


Yeah, but that beautiful Iraqi girl with her head blown out, gave her tender life for a "reason" because we care about "the people". Her mother thanks us nightly for giving them their freedom and will become an avid USA supporter in the fight against "terrorism".


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Re: Military Propaganda [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2455766 - 03/20/04 11:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

First of all, I would like to point out that the military is composed of individuals. Unless they are draftees, all these individuals are people who have used their free will to commit to military duty, and all it entails. I acknowledge that this is their decision to make, but I do not respect it. I think it is a very foolish decision. I especially despise careerist soldiers. But the people who use it as a way into college are not blameless either. These are people who have decided to get ahead in life by offering their service to the fucking government for the purpose of death and destruction.

This isnt just about the American Army. Its about every army. Its about every individual who picks up a gun with the intention to use force to get his way. Whether its for the government of the US, China, Al-queda, or the neighborhood gang makes no difference. I lay the responsibility for violence solely at the feet of those who commit it. It doesnt matter whether they were ordered to or wether they had the best of intentions. They are guilty of violence regardless of the situation.

the essence of what I'm saying is basically the same thing Jesus said: "When someone slaps you in the face, turn the other cheek." And I'm not surprised that its not a popular opinion. Everyone knows what happened to Jesus.

more violence is not the solution to violence. I honestly believe that our military provokes more violence than it prevents.

Everyone says "support the troops!" You know what I say?

FUCK THE TROOPS!!!

They knew (or should have known) what they were getting into when they signed up. They are nothing but a bunch of soulless mercenaries and naive idiots, and I have no respect for their decision to make a living off of violence.

I know that there are some naive people who join the military out of a genuine desire to help, but they are just dumb. If strapping an AR33 to your back and killing who you're told to kill is all you can think of to do for your country, you are a moron. Do something productive , for christ's sake.

I'm also real tired of this attitude among americans that the people in the military are "the best and the brightest." They're not. They are the people who are dumb enough to sign their rights away to the government. I know quite a few people who have joined the military, and they were all fuckups who did it because they didnt have anything else going for them.

The military is a safety net for those who dont know what to do with their lives. Its also where we stick all the psychotic killers who have nothing else to contribute to society.

In every society, there is going to be a certain percentage of people who are just beligerant assholes with nothing positive to contribute. War is just a way of getting rid of those people. Instead of trying to help them or find a place for them in society, we send them off to die in pointless wars.

The leaders of one country get together with the leaders of another country and say: "We've got a bumper crop of assholes this year, and we hear that you have one too. Lets have a war so these assholes will just kill eachother off. Then the rest of us can get high and not have to worry about a bunch of beligerant assholes harshin our buzz."

the government then hands these assholes weapons and tells them: "You wanna be a bully? You wanna be an asshole? Fine. We've got a place and time all lined up for you to be assholes to some other people that wanna be assholes too. You guys can be assholes to eachother and have a good 'ol time. We're just gonna sit back and watch from home."

And in times of peace, the military converts and trains more people to be assholes. Whether a born asshole, or simply a misguided youth who doesnt know what he's getting into, the military will find a place for you. And theyve got more knowledge of social psychology than most cult leaders. They'll condition ya real good.

the military is, and always has been, the world's most dangerous, heavily armed special interest group. Killing is their business, and they like to take whatever steps they can to ensure that business is good. And they take their funding by force through the mechanism of government from peaceful civillians.

"But they're there for your interest!"

No they're not. They are there because they ate too much paste in grade school and now the only productive thing that they can do for society is die.

My interests do not include violence. If there is a problem, it can be solved with words. And if I have to make sacrifices in my standard of living in order to make the solution work, then so be it. If there were a truly free global market, I dont think that things would be this cheap in America. And I dont think that the human species would be able to get away with the massive consumption of resources and damage to the environment if everyone on the planet were free to do it (instead of just Americans).

I think that we, as Americans, need to find a way to solve our problems that does not include violence. I'm 100% positive that there are better ways to solve our problems if we simply quit wasting our time with this pointless destruction and killing.

you can all rate me 1 shroom now I dont give a fuck. this is my raw, uncensored opinion, and if anybody wants to try and talk me out of it they can. I will listen. But I obviously feel very strongly that people need to put down their fucking guns and pick up their fucking brains.

"Beware of the Military-Industrial complex." -Eisenhower


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Re: Military Propaganda [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2455848 - 03/21/04 12:06 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

So do you now go back on you original position that self-defense is permissable?


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