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Re: FBI conducts predawn raid at Paul Manafort home [Re: Citizen X]
    #24559209 - 08/16/17 09:27 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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I'm in the process of reading it, but here's the article from business insider.. it's pretty long though...



Here are the key parts of the article:

Paul Manafort rejected efforts to set up a meeting between Donald Trump, then a candidate, and Russian President Vladimir Putin, because of concerns about violating the Logan Act, a law forbidding US citizens from negotiating with foreign governments without authorization.  Manafort wrote "we need someone to communicate that DT is not doing these trips".

The article argues that Manafort's rejection stands in contrast to his willingness to accept a meeting with a Russian lawyer "with ties to the Kremlin" weeks later in June.

However, the proposal of a Trump-Putin meeting is "a very different calculus" than the president's son suggesting a meeting with a Russian lawyer, and that may have factored into Manafort's decisions about whether to accept the meetings.


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Re: FBI conducts predawn raid at Paul Manafort home [Re: Citizen X] * 3
    #24559217 - 08/16/17 09:31 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

I agree with you that 'right to work' laws are clearly bad for workers.


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Re: FBI conducts predawn raid at Paul Manafort home [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #24559244 - 08/16/17 09:46 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

As we know the meeting took place


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Re: FBI conducts predawn raid at Paul Manafort home [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #24559248 - 08/16/17 09:48 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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I agree with you that 'right to work' laws are clearly bad for workers.



Thanks, I have learned a lot on this site, about many different things. I know I'm nowhere near the most educated but if you pay attention you can learn heaps


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Re: FBI conducts predawn raid at Paul Manafort home [Re: Citizen X]
    #24559499 - 08/17/17 01:12 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: FBI conducts predawn raid at Paul Manafort home [Re: Citizen X]
    #24559505 - 08/17/17 01:23 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trumps-lawyer-threatens-lodge-complaint-144942812.html



Wait, what crime is being investigated here?  Isn't Georgia a friend of the US and enemy of Russia?  Trump should win this.  Talk about a witch hunt!


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Re: FBI conducts predawn raid at Paul Manafort home [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #24559529 - 08/17/17 02:20 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trumps-lawyer-threatens-lodge-complaint-144942812.html



Wait, what crime is being investigated here?  Isn't Georgia a friend of the US and enemy of Russia?  Trump should win this.  Talk about a witch hunt!




I know you know what's being investigated so we can skip over that part.

In appointing Mueller, however, Rosenstein gave him broad authority not only to investigate "any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated" with Trump's campaign, but also to examine "any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation."

Trump's real estate project in Batumi, Georgia ultimately fell through. But one of its primary funders would have been Timur Kulibayev, the son-in-law of Khazakstan's president, who went on to oversee a sovereign wealth fund with authority over the assets of B.T.A. Bank.

The bank had loaned money to subsidiaries of a group that funded Trump's Georgia project, and Kulibayev had access to all of the bank's records — meaning he "was surely familiar with the players involved in the Trump Tower Batumi project," wrote The New Yorker's Adam Davidson. Kulibayev, who sat on the board of Russia's oil and gas giant, Gazprom, would have then been in a position to pass along any compromising information on Trump to the Kremlin.

Whether or not Russia had such information, known as kompromat, on Trump or his associates will likely be a key part of Mueller's inquiry into whether the Trump campaign colluded with Russia to undermine Hillary Clinton.

"Sekulow's complaint is silly," said William Yeomans, a former deputy assistant attorney general who spent 26 years at the Justice Department. "Obviously, the Georgia deal is at least alleged to have ties that reach to Putin. It is highly relevant to the investigation."

Andy Wright, a former associate counsel to President Barack Obama who is now a professor at Savannah Law School, agreed, noting that Russian influence operations don't stop at the Russian border.

"This is largely a counterintelligence investigation," Wright said. "If Vladimir Putin or Russian intelligence services exercise influence over Trump-related entities through third-countries it is still a Russian operation."

Yeomans added that Rosenstein "would and should be very reluctant to restrict Mueller's scope under any circumstances," making Sekulow's request "frivolous."

Witch hunt, or better yet hunt for some truths because that's not something coming forth willfully. I for one would like to know the truth and if there's nothing to it, fantastic.

It's too bad you don't care much for it but for those of us who do care about honest elections, we'll continue to follow the truth wherever that leads. Including friendly Georgia


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Re: FBI conducts predawn raid at Paul Manafort home [Re: Citizen X]
    #24559542 - 08/17/17 02:46 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Just so you're not shocked in the future, you might be hearing 'Kazakstan' more often?
Witches live there or some shit?

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Re: FBI conducts predawn raid at Paul Manafort home [Re: Citizen X]
    #24559624 - 08/17/17 05:11 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

You think right to work laws are against workers?


no, you dont understand. They are to prevent unions from intruding on business and pushing out non union members.

Unions have a history of doing that and forcing them to buy into the union or find new jobs.


You really skipped over history class.


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Re: FBI conducts predawn raid at Paul Manafort home [Re: keyser_soze] * 2
    #24559631 - 08/17/17 05:23 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

I'm sorry but
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Keys what are you proud of that the right has accomplished?



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“Right to work” is the name for a policy designed to take away rights from working people. Backers of right to work laws claim that these laws protect workers against being forced to join a union. The reality is that federal law already makes it illegal to force someone to join a union.

The real purpose of right to work laws is to tilt the balance toward big corporations and further rig the system at the expense of working families. These laws make it harder for working people to form unions and collectively bargain for better wages, benefits and working conditions.



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History class ehh, ok


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Re: FBI conducts predawn raid at Paul Manafort home [Re: Citizen X]
    #24559639 - 08/17/17 05:31 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

:cookiemonster:

there's no safety on these bomb bays, son


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Re: FBI conducts predawn raid at Paul Manafort home [Re: keyser_soze]
    #24559643 - 08/17/17 05:33 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Do you think you sound smart?


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Re: FBI conducts predawn raid at Paul Manafort home [Re: Citizen X]
    #24559644 - 08/17/17 05:34 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

You can't even answer a question.


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Re: FBI conducts predawn raid at Paul Manafort home [Re: Citizen X]
    #24559647 - 08/17/17 05:36 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

did you ask one?


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Re: FBI conducts predawn raid at Paul Manafort home [Re: keyser_soze]
    #24559649 - 08/17/17 05:38 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

about what the right accomplished?


how about defending the country from dumb left wingers since before 1776.


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Re: FBI conducts predawn raid at Paul Manafort home [Re: keyser_soze]
    #24559650 - 08/17/17 05:38 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Its quoted right there.

"What are you proud of that the rights accomplished?"


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Re: FBI conducts predawn raid at Paul Manafort home [Re: The Ecstatic] * 3
    #24559653 - 08/17/17 05:39 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Lmao the founders were left of King George and the British monarchy. But okay.


Use vagueness because you cant think of one specific example.


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Re: FBI conducts predawn raid at Paul Manafort home [Re: Citizen X] * 1
    #24559654 - 08/17/17 05:41 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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Keys what are you proud of that the right has accomplished?



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the reason why republicans cant get shit done is because there are some republicans who arent republicans and simply on the republican ticket.

not to mention politicians are only worried about re-election.




How do you feel now that you've vote against workers rights?



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Re: FBI conducts predawn raid at Paul Manafort home [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #24559656 - 08/17/17 05:43 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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Lmao the founders were left of King George and the British monarchy. But okay.


Use vagueness because you cant think of one specific example.





the founders were liberterarians on the conservative side of politics.


small government etc...

this is a problem when history gets re-written and statues torn down.


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Re: FBI conducts predawn raid at Paul Manafort home [Re: keyser_soze]
    #24559658 - 08/17/17 05:45 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

I said left of King George and the monarchy.

You gotta read the whole sentence bud.


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