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Re: What security/privacy measures do you go through while on the Shroomery? [Re: tdubz]
#24555787 - 08/15/17 01:25 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Unless you have kiddie porn that's pretty unnecessary imo
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tdubz



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Re: What security/privacy measures do you go through while on the Shroomery? [Re: bodhisatta]
#24555803 - 08/15/17 01:34 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Or like a weapons dealer or something.
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: What security/privacy measures do you go through while on the Shroomery? [Re: tdubz]
#24556114 - 08/15/17 03:42 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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tdubz said: Thats tru a USB nuke stick would be a better option that short circuits the computer and possibly hard drive.
Short circuiting the computer and hard drive would not erase any data.
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tdubz said: Oh yeah and I forgot to add that the USB could be activated remotely via cellphone and rather than just sends a static charge it blows the computer up.
That would not destroy the data either.
It's best to use strong encryption, so they can get the data all they want, but it'll be gibberish.
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Re: What security/privacy measures do you go through while on the Shroomery? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#24566286 - 08/19/17 10:29 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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All web traffic goes encrypted through my VPN then I browse with Tor browser.
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Re: What security/privacy measures do you go through while on the Shroomery? [Re: PhishDicks] 1
#24568495 - 08/20/17 11:23 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don't tell people where I live or my name or any personal info. I keep to the topic at hand. I don't do dumb things IRL to get the cops looking at my PC. That's the #1 safety precaution you can take.
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Re: What security/privacy measures do you go through while on the Shroomery? [Re: 36fuckin5] 3
#24583943 - 08/27/17 07:56 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: What security/privacy measures do you go through while on the Shroomery? [Re: Dr.Satan]
#24583962 - 08/27/17 08:02 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: What security/privacy measures do you go through while on the Shroomery? [Re: bodhisatta]
#24589798 - 08/30/17 12:19 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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I use an actual cable to connect to my modem.
Edited by chibiabos (08/30/17 12:22 AM)
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Re: What security/privacy measures do you go through while on the Shroomery? [Re: chibiabos]
#24589809 - 08/30/17 12:22 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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chibiabos said: How is Tor going to help you if you have kiddie porn?
Because a lot of kiddie porn busts are due to people tracked down via their IP address. If you use tor, it is very difficult to impossible to get any useful information from the IP address that they use.
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Re: What security/privacy measures do you go through while on the Shroomery? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#24589856 - 08/30/17 12:49 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Alan Rockefeller said:
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chibiabos said: How is Tor going to help you if you have kiddie porn?
Because a lot of kiddie porn busts are due to people tracked down via their IP address. If you use tor, it is very difficult to impossible to get any useful information from the IP address that they use.
Most kiddie porn consumers are caught because they do things like hand their phone over to the Geek Squad while there's kiddie porn on it. The FBI isn't nearly as powerful as they want people to think that they are. They want people to think that they can run overbearing surveillance on everything, but they really can't. It's the same sort of logic behind using polygraph tests.
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Re: What security/privacy measures do you go through while on the Shroomery? [Re: chibiabos]
#24591606 - 08/30/17 07:55 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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#24592678 - 08/31/17 08:29 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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chibiabos said: Most kiddie porn consumers are caught because they do things like hand their phone over to the Geek Squad while there's kiddie porn on it. The FBI isn't nearly as powerful as they want people to think that they are. They want people to think that they can run overbearing surveillance on everything, but they really can't. It's the same sort of logic behind using polygraph tests.
I think it's more like when they bust a site they go and bust all the users, either via IP addresses or credit card numbers. Tor will stop them from busting them via IP address, if they are dumb enough to pay for child porn with a credit card, nothing will stop them from being busted.
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Re: What security/privacy measures do you go through while on the Shroomery? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#24593418 - 08/31/17 01:51 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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An IP address isn't near enough for the FBI to bust somebody over kiddie porn.
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Re: What security/privacy measures do you go through while on the Shroomery? [Re: chibiabos]
#24593440 - 08/31/17 02:00 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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chibiabos said: An IP address isn't near enough for the FBI to bust somebody over kiddie porn.
It is enough to get a search warrant - it is not enough for a conviction. What they do is find the ISP with a whois lookup, then send a subpoena to the ISP to find out which customer was using that IP address at the time the child porn was downloaded. If it's a cell phone they subpoena the phone company for the phones location and then go get it. If it's a house they raid the house, seize all the computers and drives, and search them for child porn.
Most child porn aficionados are too stupid to use encryption, most of the people in jail for it would not be if they had used it since the cops have a hard time seeing the screens of child porn viewers.
I've had to work on a few child porn cases, what would happen is that the FBI would contact my work and give us the IP of someone who was downloading child porn while at work. I'd find out which office used that IP, then go in to the office after they went home for the day, remove the drive and clone it. Then I had to look through their files for child porn. If I found any I'd send it to the FBI, and a few days later the person would be arrested at their house and I would never see them again. The whole process isn't very fun for anyone involved.
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Re: What security/privacy measures do you go through while on the Shroomery? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#24593485 - 08/31/17 02:21 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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An IP address isn't even enough for a search warrant. It's not illegal to communicate with a server that hosts kiddie porn and the FBI doesn't even come close to having the sort of resources that would allow them to monitor connections like that. It's not like the FBI is run by some super badass blackhat ninjas who can just peruse a server's logs either. Usually they catch people downloading kiddie porn because they're doing things like downloading it via torrent.
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Re: What security/privacy measures do you go through while on the Shroomery? [Re: chibiabos]
#24593556 - 08/31/17 02:54 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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The sad reality is the government seems to focus on drug related sites more than CP sites. Anonymous seems to have done more to combat the rampant pedophilia on the web than the government has.
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Re: What security/privacy measures do you go through while on the Shroomery? [Re: chibiabos]
#24593758 - 08/31/17 04:36 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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chibiabos said: An IP address isn't even enough for a search warrant. It's not illegal to communicate with a server that hosts kiddie porn and the FBI doesn't even come close to having the sort of resources that would allow them to monitor connections like that.
An IP address is enough for a search warrant, because the standard of evidence necessary to obtain a warrant is probable cause. It's not a very high standard of evidence, and just means that they have some evidence that a crime may have occurred.
It is not illegal to communicate with a server that hosts kiddie porn, but it is illegal to download kiddie porn from that server. By default the web server access logs keep track of which IP downloaded which images, if your IP downloaded an illegal image then it's very likely that image is on your device, allowing them to get a warrant to search for it.
The FBI doesn't monitor connections much, what they do is bust kiddie porn websites and then use the webserver access logs to find the IP's of the people who downloaded illegal content.
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It's not like the FBI is run by some super badass blackhat ninjas who can just peruse a server's logs either. Usually they catch people downloading kiddie porn because they're doing things like downloading it via torrent.
I agree that they have very few to no blackhats, but what they do have is the ability to waltz into a colocation facility and physically grab a server. Most of these places don't use full drive encryption because if they do, then they need to enter a password to boot up the server, and that becomes a pain in the ass. Also child porn sites are probably not too concerned with covering the asses of their clients.
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Re: What security/privacy measures do you go through while on the Shroomery? [Re: Alan Rockefeller] 1
#24593906 - 08/31/17 05:33 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Getting a search warrant is a lot more difficult than you seem to think that it is, in part because of the fact that the standard for probable cause is a lot higher than you think that it is.
And no, the FBI can't just waltz into a building and seize a bunch of stuff. Unless they go through some very specific procedures that the bureaucracy condones then nothing that they discover as a result will do them fuck-all good as evidence.
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Re: What security/privacy measures do you go through while on the Shroomery? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#24615584 - 09/09/17 09:09 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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I agree that they have very few to no blackhats, but what they do have is the ability to waltz into a colocation facility and physically grab a server. Most of these places don't use full drive encryption because if they do, then they need to enter a password to boot up the server, and that becomes a pain in the ass.
They have an increasing number of capable hackers, but moreover they are willing to spend a lot of money paying even more capable consulting groups if the target warrants it.
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Also child porn sites are probably not too concerned with covering the asses of their clients.
The academic and legal literature on the war against child pornography has been a very interesting read. One of the reasons why they have been such a troublesome adversary for LE is that the communities seem to place a heavy emphasis on security and looking out for one another. As a result, they are hard to bring down even when infiltrated. In other words, they are actually particularly concerned with protecting their clients. This is why LE has long favored a reverse bust approach setting up honeypot mail order or internet websites or turning a seized one into a honeypot if they get that lucky. Yes, your government has long sent out real child pornography via mail in order to bust people. Due to the long history of reverse busts, these groups have placed a much heavier emphasis on anonymity and decentralization and minimizing exposure and evidence. Unlike darknet marketplaces which transact physical goods, CP groups seem to be more organic like a community based illegal filesharing (i.e. torrent) website and thus relatively immune to many of the techniques used against DNM vendors and users.
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Re: What security/privacy measures do you go through while on the Shroomery? [Re: Anonymous #4]
#24616100 - 09/09/17 01:56 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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The legality of honey pots was still in question until recently in which the FBI can now obtain a warrant for simply using Tor.
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