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losing my shit over a pack
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Sent Friday. Eta was monday. USPS tracked on Monday. Said "being held at post office for pick up". Signature was not required. Nothing was left in mailbox indicating that pick up was needed What should I do other than clean house?
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Stop getting illigal shit in the mail dummy
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Re: losing my shit over a pack [Re: Bird_Guts]
#24509516 - 07/26/17 01:52 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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go get your stuff and if they get you youll know that they know. The silkroad days are over. low level law enforcement knows all about it.
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It isn't dark net stuff it's P2P. Silk road days were over when they started, that site was a mule site and loud as hell. This isnt a vendor situation, and "stop getting illegal stuff in the mail" is great advice as well bird guts, jees. Which party should contact the post office in regards to it. Maybe the address wasn't legible. Maybe the box didn't fit in the mail box. Should recipient just go in there without calling? Should we kiss 700 bucks good bye and pretend it never happened if they show? This has never happened before. Real advice regarding THIS situation would be helpful. The person said they would just go grab it with the tracking but Im worried.
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Re: losing my shit over a pack [Re: Anonymous #1] 1
#24509548 - 07/26/17 02:07 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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If you go and claim your illegal property it is an automatic confession of guilt. They will return it to the sender if they dont suspect anything
I have been in this situation before with a 5 pack of nug and with cash.
DO NOT CLAIM YOUR PROPERTY! Because its not fucking yours, you didn't order it, you have no fucking idea what that is RIGHT? If anyone comes and asks you, you have no idea.
right?
right =)

Seven hundred bucks or the clanker for interstate trafficking and conspiracy / 10 K for a lawyer up to 50K depending on whats in that shit. Doesn't sound like nug to me...
I truly truly wish you the best and hope you choose the safe route.
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I've seen a friend have to pick up a large package being held for pick up -- scary as fuck but he walked out with the box. I was just in the car and my heart rate was up a little. all was good in the end.
not saying you do this. it is not a no-win situation in my eyes, ultimately comes down to if you're willing to pick it up, your instincts about it and what it's worth to you.
personally I would go with the poster above me and agree that you just took a 700$ loss for your peace of mind & freedom. maybe next time change your shipping address or strategy.
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Re: losing my shit over a pack [Re: filthyknees]
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The sender could get nailed though and the sender is a close friend of mine. I am so worried that maybe all he did was mix up the numbers in the address. If it gets returned to him won't he be fucked? I know he won't rat but I asked him to do this for me and id feel terrible seeing this happen to him. Its addressed to a friend of mine. Im not trying to win the Darwin award, but I feel dumber than rocks right now.
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I got a letter like that and all that I had coming was some glad mini rounds lol wtf. The letter came on the 23rd and it said they would hold it until the 21st. It said my address wasn't complete but they put the letter in my mailbox?
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If they know it's drugs, and the amount you have, No one is paying a DEA agent or feds in general to build a case over half an ounce of powder or a hundred some E pills or whatever the fuck you have. Unless its dope. That would be cause to be alarmed.
The WORST they will do is send it back to a shipping hub where there is a local customs enforcement office and send him or you a letter asking if you want to claim your property. Dont lol
They aren't gonna do jack to your friend unless its guns, heroin, a fucking finger, or some organized crime type shit.
BY THE WAY, You do know that postmen know who lives at each house right? often if a letter or package is addressed to a house and has the wrong name the post person will go wtf? and take it back to the post office because they know that person does not live there. Huge red flag for drugs. ALWAYS get it in your name. If your sender isn't shit, he/she should have double vac sealed with layers of 90% iso alcohol (dogs smell in layers) and then wrapped in mylar to bounce X rays ( dollar store shiny ballons) it also negates the probe ( little camera they put in the box to see and detect molecules of drugs) as long as they do that, in a clean room. YOUR PACKAGE WILL NEVER FUCKING GET NAILED period unless someone flipped on you.
This is interstate trafficking were talking about here, dont fuck around unless you know EXACTLY what you're doing and so does your sender.
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Ordering illegal drugs through the postal system is retarded especially any significant amounts...do you know the xray capabilities the United States possesses? Obviously you do not.
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Re: losing my shit over a pack [Re: tdubz]
#24513217 - 07/28/17 01:38 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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did you know common mylar from a dollar store balloon reflects all X ray spectrum used by law enforcement? -_-
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Uh ok except that the U.S. can tap every single electronic device you own if they suspect you are ordering drugs through the mail to deal.
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Re: losing my shit over a pack [Re: tdubz]
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holy shit you're dense.
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Just keeping it real, you might think your king shit one day hustling and then the feds flip a coin n ur busted.
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Re: losing my shit over a pack [Re: tdubz]
#24513282 - 07/28/17 03:12 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Probably not, because he's probably not retarded enough to order anything illegal with his name to his address.
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Re: losing my shit over a pack [Re: WestCoastOG]
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Re: losing my shit over a pack [Re: tdubz]
#24513315 - 07/28/17 03:59 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Whats a VPN? whats a virtual computer that goes through a roving proxy? whats a PO box with a false ID?
jeez! I wish I knew how to crime!
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All necessary precautions were taken,the friends name was the name of the person at address, packaging is legit, and the package did arrive. To all saying don't ship drugs, how in the hell do you think you get the privilege to use them without manufacturing, and if you manufacture you have equal risks with just a horrid fate if caught. Just glad it showed without any problems.
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Re: losing my shit over a pack [Re: tdubz]
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tdubz said: Uh ok except that the U.S. can tap every single electronic device you own if they suspect you are ordering drugs through the mail to deal.
Lol, not legally.
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Re: losing my shit over a pack [Re: Enlil]
#24513585 - 07/28/17 08:44 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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They dont care. Just get evidence to make it legal.
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Illegally obtained evidence won't be admitted.
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growlingmycelium said: Whats a VPN? whats a virtual computer that goes through a roving proxy? whats a PO box with a false ID?
jeez! I wish I knew how to crime! 
What's a roving proxy?
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Re: losing my shit over a pack [Re: tdubz]
#24513634 - 07/28/17 09:19 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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tdubz said: Uh ok except that the U.S. can tap every single electronic device you own if they suspect you are ordering drugs through the mail to deal.
They'll never tap my ipod.
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Re: losing my shit over a pack [Re: Crazy_Horse]
#24513992 - 07/28/17 01:05 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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If they tapped every suspected device of drug activity they would miss a lot of extreme criminal activity, as well as waste human resource, time, and money.
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Re: losing my shit over a pack [Re: Enlil]
#24514020 - 07/28/17 01:19 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Illegally obtained evidence won't be admitted.
That's only if you can afford a lawyer. What was it, 95% of cases don't even go to trial?
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Re: losing my shit over a pack [Re: Kryptos]
#24514027 - 07/28/17 01:25 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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What does one have to do with the other?
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Re: losing my shit over a pack [Re: Kryptos]
#24514030 - 07/28/17 01:25 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Most drug cases don't go to trial, though I doubt it's that high.
Sad thing is they lure you into a plea with the "they will max you out" threat.
Its a good idea if you are doing anything that will land you in prison for a long time to keep lawyer money set aside, though it's not always possible.
Trial has a lot of variables on both ends, and paying for a good trial attorney can really cost you duckets. The court system isn't an easy one to navigate through.
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Re: losing my shit over a pack [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said: What does one have to do with the other?
Plea deal based on fear, even if the DA doesn't have teeth?
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Re: losing my shit over a pack [Re: Kryptos]
#24514063 - 07/28/17 01:43 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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That's why there's an appointed lawyer...to file that motion to suppress.
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Re: losing my shit over a pack [Re: Enlil]
#24514093 - 07/28/17 01:57 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Through all my court hearings ive never once had a court appointes lawyer file a motion to suppress. On this case my original public defender said she would, and then they suddenly took her off the case. In 8 months I've had 3 different attorneys all by their choice not mine. My most recent Publix defender whom I took the plea with might as well have been the prosecution.
I never seem to get a lawyer that fights for me unless I drop the loot, and on this case I had a case but no money. This one is gonna really hurt me too, especially because of my past.
Im not knocking public defenders as much as I am my luck and decisions.
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Anonymous said: All necessary precautions were taken,the friends name was the name of the person at address, packaging is legit, and the package did arrive. To all saying don't ship drugs, how in the hell do you think you get the privilege to use them without manufacturing, and if you manufacture you have equal risks with just a horrid fate if caught. Just glad it showed without any problems.
Hence why i'm on this website? I'm not saying don't ship but fuck... 700 dollars worth of work for how many grand if something goes wrong? Where I'm from we have a saying, Felonies ain't free. How long are you willing to go down even it's a 2% chance to make a G, maybe 3? That's up to you man.
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growlingmycelium said: did you know common mylar from a dollar store balloon reflects all X ray spectrum used by law enforcement? -_-

Source?
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@_@ i'll give it a google.
https://www.orcagrowfilm.com/Articles.asp?ID=151 Found this explanation of mylar reflective photo film
Here is what mylar photo film looks like, https://www.ebay.com/i/272619038543?chn=ps&dispItem=1
Different qualities exist and I just learnt me that the dollar store balloon is not as good as photo quality that reflects 94% of spectrum.
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Oh my god, seriously just go and pick up your package. I've picked up an absolute shitload of drug packages at the post office, and not once did anything bad happen.
The misinformation in this thread is unbelievable. You'd think that none of you had ever bought drugs through the mail before.
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One thing people usually fuck up with illegal packages is checking the shipment progress with their real IP. If you've tried to track it without a VPN or whatever you've already fucked yourself assuming they found out what it was.
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Re: losing my shit over a pack [Re: Dr.Satan]
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Dr.Satan said: One thing people usually fuck up with illegal packages is checking the shipment progress with their real IP. If you've tried to track it without a VPN or whatever you've already fucked yourself assuming they found out what it was.
I am not certain about this, and would like some sort of source. I mean, logically, yeah, it makes sense. Checking the tracking on a package is gonna undermine the whole "huh? what package? I didn't order no package!" defense.
However, logically and legally are two very different things. I haven't heard of anyone going down for computer records of checking tracking, and I figure it would make at least a moderately sized news headline at least the first few times it happens.
Enlil?
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Re: losing my shit over a pack [Re: Kryptos]
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It's theoretically possible, but the reality is that it's very unlikely. Certainly, it wouldn't be enough for a conviction on it's own.
FACT: The use of IP information in a criminal prosecution is still very rare in this country.
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Re: losing my shit over a pack [Re: Enlil]
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I remember reading about a few cases where alibis have been disproved and people have gone to prison before over cellphone location records.
Could a prosecutor use IP info similarly? Hypothetical:
Package is seized, guy checks tracking, cops shop up, ask if he ordered this package, guy says no, gets arrested and charged anyway because of overzealous police/prosecution or whatever. Goes to trial, prosecutor puts cop on stand, asks: "did this guy say anything about the package?" "Yes, he said he didn't order it and had no idea what it was" Prosecutor brings computer expert on stand: "did this guy make any sort of indication that he knew that the package was going to arrive?" "Yes, he checked the tracking two days beforehand" Prosecutor proceeds to destroy credibility of defendant based on that and gets conviction.
No other evidence (apart from the package full of droogs).
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Re: losing my shit over a pack [Re: Kryptos]
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I've read news stories in the past where they use the fact a defendant's IP was logged by USPS attempting to track seized package as evidence. Granted that alone probably won't get your door kicked in, it still will be another nail in your coffin. I mean you can't exactly claim ignorance when they've got you using the tracking number from your home's private internet among other things.
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Re: losing my shit over a pack [Re: Kryptos]
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Cellphone data is pretty easy for police to get and process. IP is a bit harder.
And how can an expert testify that he was the one who checked tracking? Is the IP linked to an implant? If not, how do they know he is the one who was using that IP at that moment? The answer is: They don't.
Can IP data be used? Absolutely. Is it particularly strong? Not usually.
Besides all of the above, it is very rare that they even subpoena that data. I just got finished with a felony threatening case based on emails, and the prosecutor never even subpoenaed the records of the email provider. Experts are expensive, and the state rarely spends the money to go that deep unless someone died.
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Re: losing my shit over a pack [Re: Enlil]
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Interesting.
Reminds me of that one lambo/quaalude scene from Wolf of Wall Street: Well, you're clearly fucked up, your car is smashed to bits and was recently driven, but no DUI because we can't prove you drove it even though there isn't anyone else anywhere nearby.
How successful would a similar defense be in the case of cellphone data?
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Re: losing my shit over a pack [Re: Kryptos]
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flipphone..maybee. locked smartphone. probably not
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Re: losing my shit over a pack [Re: Kryptos]
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It all depends on what other evidence is out there. The truth is that a good criminal defense attorney can argue probable cause to a jury based on things like that. If there is other corroborating evidence, it gets exponentially harder.
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growlingmycelium said: If they know it's drugs, and the amount you have, No one is paying a DEA agent or feds in general to build a case over half an ounce of powder or a hundred some E pills or whatever the fuck you have. Unless its dope. That would be cause to be alarmed.
The WORST they will do is send it back to a shipping hub where there is a local customs enforcement office and send him or you a letter asking if you want to claim your property. Dont lol
They aren't gonna do jack to your friend unless its guns, heroin, a fucking finger, or some organized crime type shit.
BY THE WAY, You do know that postmen know who lives at each house right? often if a letter or package is addressed to a house and has the wrong name the post person will go wtf? and take it back to the post office because they know that person does not live there. Huge red flag for drugs. ALWAYS get it in your name. If your sender isn't shit, he/she should have double vac sealed with layers of 90% iso alcohol (dogs smell in layers) and then wrapped in mylar to bounce X rays ( dollar store shiny ballons) it also negates the probe ( little camera they put in the box to see and detect molecules of drugs) as long as they do that, in a clean room. YOUR PACKAGE WILL NEVER FUCKING GET NAILED period unless someone flipped on you.
This is interstate trafficking were talking about here, dont fuck around unless you know EXACTLY what you're doing and so does your sender.
Yeah they really don't pay attention to names at all or the address. You can use fake names and addresses where the numbers are off and still get delivered.
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Re: losing my shit over a pack [Re: MrMoon]
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From someone that has been using the DNM's for years, the information in this thread is WAY off. I can't tell you how many times I've had the dreaded "pink slip" in the box to go get my pack at the PO. Here's what you do, GET THE DAMN PACK! Don't dress like a loser idiot, don't be fucked up, and act like you're picking up your contacts, socks, butt plugs, whatever. If you want to communicate with said "buddy" then use TOR. Both register emails at Protonmail and learn how to use PGP. Only communicate about illegal activites via TOR. Regarding the advice to use fake names and return addresses, DON'T DO THAT! Use your real name and a return address that is real and not far from your PO you are shipping from. They know who lives at what address I promise. Sometimes they deliver anyway but why risk it. You want to blend end likes it's a package from eBay. Always use USPS Priority mail, vac seal, then mylar, and wipe each layer with ISO (y'all should be use to that by now).
Any other questions just ask.
P.S. All DNM activity was done under a different handle.
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Re: losing my shit over a pack [Re: MeltingNe0]
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Yes the mail/post officee info in this thread was very bad advice prior to last post. Real adresses and names are a must. Just mailing something out of your regulaur postal zone is a red flag. They check every return address for legitimecy. Can thank the uni bomber and anthrax for that. Print labels. Dont go overboard with extra tape and shit on the outside. Same with postage. Put only whats needed. Make the package uniform by adding bubble wrap if needed. Don't want it getting pulled off the auto Line because it wont go through
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Fake names still get delivered.
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Re: losing my shit over a pack [Re: MrMoon]
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For the love of God please listen to me. Yes, packs get delivered using fake names but I can't tell you how many times I've seen packs get returned to sender because the receiver is using a fake name. YOU WANT YOUR PACKS TO BLEND IN LIKE NORMAL MAIL!!!!! A pack with a fake name is not NORMAL MAIL. I've been doing this since before Silk Road so please take my advice on this, or don't, I don't really care about your freedom. Anyways, cheers.
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