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Wave of deaths in New Zealand Due to Synthetic Cannabinoid
#24508760 - 07/26/17 04:47 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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A dangerous batch of synthetic cannabinoids – also known as Spice – has triggered a wave of deaths in New Zealand.
At least eight people have died from taking the drug, with many more hospitalised.
Bodies have been found with Spice nearby or where the user was known to have used the drug shortly before dying, the BBC reports.
The active ingredient in the ‘bad batch’ is not known – but authorities say that many more users have been hospitalised after non-fatal reactions.
The drug consists of dried plants sprayed with synthetic drugs which mimic the effects of cannabis – but much stronger.
Some batches of Spice also have other chemicals mixed in. Bad batch of Spice has killed up to eight people - and hospitalised many more
Spice is extremely cheap, and many of the compounds used don’t show up in blood tests for drugs – which mean that it’s become popular in prisons.
Because it’s so much stronger than weed, and mixed randomly – makers sometimes dissolve the chemical in nail polish remover, then use a cement mixer to apply it to herbs – people often take a far higher dose than they intend to.
Outreach worker Ewa Kapica at homelessness charity The Connection said, ‘I’ve witnessed people thrashing around on the floor, experiencing vivid hallucinations, screaming they want to ‘end it all’.
‘These fits are followed by crashes; the person becomes unresponsive and the emergency services step in. It’s terrifying.’
Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2017/07/26/bad-batch-of-spice-has-killed-up-to-eight-people-and-hospitalised-many-more-6806956/#ixzz4nvw0m36K
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Re: Wave of deaths in New Zealand Due to Synthetic Cannabinoid [Re: LightRay]
#24509022 - 07/26/17 08:19 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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This sucks. Happened in the states too. Mostly places where weed isnt too available. New Zealand is pretty isolated so they probably mostly just have what they grow. so i can see this happening. Wasnt there a law they passed (i thought this was awesome) that they wouldnt just blanket ban everything synthetic, they would create a list of safe RC's and allow them? Also New Zealand had methylone sold in stores before most of the world knew what it was ("Ease and X-plosion") and i believe the guy who invented methylone, mephedrone, methoxetamine (pretty sure same guy?), and originally BZP as safer legal alternatives, pretty sure that dude lives in New Zealand. I kinda really admire that, but its sad that outbreaks like this inevitably do happen
PS in the US, they always collectively refer to synthetic cannabinoids as "K2". In europe its "Spice". Which is confusing due to DMT. In any case those brands are gone so why not say "Hu-22" for example. Then people know what the fuck it is. When you say "synthetic drug" its just a stigma. Although with these blends, you gotta be a little desperate to really use them. Ive tried a bowl or so like 7 years ago but it was labeled as JWH-073. When youre just using some random blend, it just cant be good
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Re: Wave of deaths in New Zealand Due to Synthetic Cannabinoid [Re: Fractal420]
#24509028 - 07/26/17 08:25 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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"Some batches of spice also have other chemicals mixed in"
^^ 1) how bout, what chemical is this "spice"
2) what other chemicals?
Its like they purposely try and hide this information. For Harm reduction's sake, which cannabinoid is this dangerous?
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Re: Wave of deaths in New Zealand Due to Synthetic Cannabinoid [Re: Fractal420] 1
#24509351 - 07/26/17 12:20 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
Fractal420 said: "Some batches of spice also have other chemicals mixed in"
^^ 1) how bout, what chemical is this "spice"
2) what other chemicals?
Its like they purposely try and hide this information. For Harm reduction's sake, which cannabinoid is this dangerous?
Bath Salts are not related to cannabis or cannabinoids anymore then cannabis is related to opioids its just an extension of reefer madness.
All bath salts are research chemicals that give you a buzz but have not been banned yet.
NOTE if any bath salt did contain real or synthetic cannabinoids it would be banned for that very reason all cannabinoids found in cannabis are banned bath salts are legal and every time one chemical is banned a new chemical is used. And a new surge of deaths and bad reactions happen in a never ending cycle.
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Re: Wave of deaths in New Zealand Due to Synthetic Cannabinoid [Re: rider420]
#24512996 - 07/27/17 10:37 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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We had two dumbasses here hospitalized for organophosphate poisoning when they were making up their spice blend with pesticides.
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Re: Wave of deaths in New Zealand Due to Synthetic Cannabinoid [Re: Doc9151]
#24514457 - 07/28/17 05:19 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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The media constantly tries to tie marijuana into the nasty chemical crap kids take. Its part of their agenda to oppose pot in any form. This is not a cannabinoid, its bathtub chemicals but now many of the brain dead sheep think pot will kill you. "I saw it on the news"
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Re: Wave of deaths in New Zealand Due to Synthetic Cannabinoid [Re: rider420]
#24515687 - 07/29/17 08:37 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
rider420 said:
Quote:
Fractal420 said: "Some batches of spice also have other chemicals mixed in"
^^ 1) how bout, what chemical is this "spice"
2) what other chemicals?
Its like they purposely try and hide this information. For Harm reduction's sake, which cannabinoid is this dangerous?
Bath Salts are not related to cannabis or cannabinoids anymore then cannabis is related to opioids its just an extension of reefer madness.
All bath salts are research chemicals that give you a buzz but have not been banned yet.
NOTE if any bath salt did contain real or synthetic cannabinoids it would be banned for that very reason all cannabinoids found in cannabis are banned bath salts are legal and every time one chemical is banned a new chemical is used. And a new surge of deaths and bad reactions happen in a never ending cycle.
I am very aware that it means an unscheduled compound, however there are MANY MANY of those and saying "spice" is just a scare tactic. They dont want people to know what to watch out for. But this is a case of synthetic cannabinoids, im a bit confused as to why you say "bath salts" because the article claims it is a cannabinoid. i wanted to know which "cannabamimetic" substance this is. I'm basically saying that they do this blanket thing where its all "K2" or "bath salts" but really there are so many different substances involved, some dangerous. Some might be actually orally active medicines that might kill cancer. We dont know because we didnt test all those synethic "cannabamimetics", just banned them. Im sure somewhere in there is great medicine for something, used correctly. Point is, this is NOT a scientific way to address novel compounds. Also this country currently has a controlled substance act which lists certain substances. If something gives you a buzz it does not make it illegal. I mean look at alcohol, dxm, all the rx pills, everything that makes money for a corporation. Small rc vendors do not benefit corporations and they compete with big pharma
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Re: Wave of deaths in New Zealand Due to Synthetic Cannabinoid [Re: Fractal420]
#24516338 - 07/29/17 02:38 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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We all know big pharma and the alcohol industry don't want any competition.
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Re: Wave of deaths in New Zealand Due to Synthetic Cannabinoid [Re: Doc9151]
#24517734 - 07/30/17 09:32 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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^i wonder when the "event horizon" is passed when, for example, Big Corps will take control of the remaining vices. Probably just as soon as theyre legal. Like with CBD and big pharma. But really: alcohol, gambling, tobacco, horniness (meaning strip clubs and such), all these vices are lobbied for and big companies own them and sell them. Eventually this will* include heroin and such. I just wonder when that point will come. I dont trust Big Anything, but its better than all these carfentanil ODs. And honestly the legality would be nice but i would hate to buy pre-rolls from a company like Marlboro (i think owned by Philip Morris, just like Oreos). The fact they theyre willing to sell cigarettes knowing the risks, selling crack legally is a step down.
My point is when theres a vice and an opportunity, these companies Will take that opportunity.
PS: i think theres a good reason DXM-only (cough) robo is still sold, as well as gelcaps and smaller brands. Theres one literally called DexAlone. They probably sell quite well. I once, as a joke, called the robitussin comanpy back when i was young and stupid and experimented with DXM. I was like "Hey, so, IM TRIPPING! After using your product! This is awesome, i had no idea". And the lady just very calmly said "well, how much did you take?" And i remember saying something like 300mg and she was just like "yeah next time take less if you feel uncomfortable, we recommend blahblahblah"
Was hilarious actually. This was like 12 years ago tho at least.
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Edited by Fractal420 (07/30/17 09:39 AM)
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