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Dark web marketplaces AlphaBay and Hansa shut down
#24498846 - 07/21/17 02:11 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jul/20/dark-web-marketplaces-alphabay-hansa-shut-down
I'm on my phone so I'll quote the important info.
----- The Dutch National Police took control of Hansa on 20 June, seizing servers in Lithuania, the Netherlands and Germany. The action permitted surveillance of criminal activities on the marketplace before it was shut down in July.
Law enforcement officials in Europe and America coordinated their investigations to purposefully leave the Dutch dark web market Hansa up, even after they shut AlphaBay down, Rob Wainwright, the executive director of Europol, said.
He said that European authorities took “covert control” of Hansa a month ago with permission of Dutch judicial authorities before AlphaBay was shut down. The goal of this “team play” was to watch as AlphaBay migrated to Hansa, monitor their new transactions there and “sweep up all those new users.”
Wainwright said the ploy worked: “They flocked to Hansa in their droves. We reported eight times increase in the number of new users on Hansa immediately following the takedown of AlphaBay.”
“The usernames and passwords of thousands of buyers and sellers of illicit commodities have been identified and are subject to more follow-up investigation by Europol and our partner agencies,” he said.
The Europol director said that the “coordinated takedown” was “really special,” and said the coordinated investigation was “one of the most sophisticated law enforcement operations against cybercrime that we’ve ever seen.” Sessions called the case a victory against criminals who use “perverted technology” to send “so many Americans to an early grave.”
“Our critics will say, as we shutter one site another site emerges,” McCabe said. “And they may be right. But that is the nature of criminal work. It never goes away. You have to constantly go at it.”
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Careful people change your accounts if needed. Passwords too.
Edit: both marketplaces are back up. Obviously honeypots. Warn people to avoid at all cost.
Edited by tacodude (07/21/17 02:37 PM)
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Re: Dark web marketplaces AlphaBay and Hansa shut down [Re: tacodude] 2
#24498913 - 07/21/17 02:39 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Dark web marketplaces AlphaBay and Hansa shut down [Re: FreeTheSoul]
#24498947 - 07/21/17 02:55 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Apparently dream market was seized too and it's being used as a honey pot. I honestly wonder if any dark net market is safe or if the recent tor vulnerability has led to them all being found by Leo.... To say the least I wouldn't trust any escrow market or any that requires registering. Just stick to clearnet and email vendors.
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Re: Dark web marketplaces AlphaBay and Hansa shut down [Re: tacodude]
#24499004 - 07/21/17 03:19 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Not that I don't understand what the appeal of those groups were, but they were never really that safe. Buying illegal drugs through the internet is a pretty bad idea, in general.
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Re: Dark web marketplaces AlphaBay and Hansa shut down [Re: chibiabos]
#24499106 - 07/21/17 03:59 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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It was never considered safe, but easier and safer than buying on the street. Legally though yes it's a huge risk.
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Re: Dark web marketplaces AlphaBay and Hansa shut down [Re: chibiabos] 3
#24499264 - 07/21/17 05:10 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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chibiabos said: Not that I don't understand what the appeal of those groups were, but they were never really that safe. Buying illegal drugs through the internet is a pretty bad idea, in general.
Oh really? It's pretty apparent that you have never actually ordered anything off the darknet. For the most part its been incredibly safe for buyers purchasing personal amounts.
It's only every so often law enforcement takes control of a marketplace. And almost always they go for the vendors.
Even here in this article I bet they only went after vendors. Of course the article is worded in a way to scare people from using the dark net.
The only time buyers are ever investigated is when a package is intercepted. Even then if it's a small amount they usually only to as far as to Confiscate it. If it's a larger quantity they may do a controlled delivery. They only catch an extremely small percentage of orders though. There is no government that is capable of going after every user that orders drugs of the darknet.
The only government I know of that may actually be putting a dent in their countries drug consumption is the Philippines, and their leader is a brutal psychopathic dictator who rewards people for murdering any and all drug users. Think of how much damage he is causing his country and his people though. It's like trying to cure aids by pumping oxygen directly into people's bloodstream. Yeah sure the oxygen will kill the aids virus but it also will probably kill the person as well.
Edited by Everything (07/21/17 05:22 PM)
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Re: Dark web marketplaces AlphaBay and Hansa shut down [Re: Everything] 1
#24499286 - 07/21/17 05:17 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Even in bulk it's safer in fact is much more safer than personal amounts compared to buying on the streets. Imagine rather than finding a key of coke uncut in the US risking dealing with people ready to kill you instead your biggest risk is sending money and getting nothing. Package seizure risk is probably less than getting busted during a buy of weight.
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Re: Dark web marketplaces AlphaBay and Hansa shut down [Re: Everything]
#24499431 - 07/21/17 06:40 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Everything said: Oh really? It's pretty apparent that you have never actually ordered anything off the darknet.
Yes really, and I think that I've been pretty upfront about not trusting any of those websites. If you're relying on a routing protocol to keep you out of trouble then you're just relying on luck.
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Re: Dark web marketplaces AlphaBay and Hansa shut down [Re: chibiabos]
#24499605 - 07/21/17 08:18 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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DREAMS MARKET IS ALSO CURRENTLY CONTROLLED BY THE DUTCH POLICE. VENDOR KEYS HAVE BEEN CHANGED TO THE DUTCH NATIONAL POLICE PGP. DO NOT ORDER. I hope you used PGP from an old copy of the vendors PGP key...
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Edited by Cyclohexylamine (07/22/17 11:57 AM)
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Re: Dark web marketplaces AlphaBay and Hansa shut down [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
#24499875 - 07/21/17 10:14 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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That's some seriously crucial info. Things are getting really dangerous. Anyone know how much that event vulnerability plays a part in it?
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Re: Dark web marketplaces AlphaBay and Hansa shut down [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
#24500107 - 07/22/17 01:05 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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DnMs were always slow :p but OFC Dream would get slower considering thousands of alphabay and hansa users migrated to it at the same time.
If buyers used PGP then they have nothing to worry about. As stated by the dutch siezure users who sent their addresses in CLEAR TEXT have been logged for investigation.
You can consider that more just a scare tactic though.
Edited by LightRay (07/22/17 03:02 AM)
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Re: Dark web marketplaces AlphaBay and Hansa shut down [Re: LightRay]
#24500135 - 07/22/17 01:54 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Wonder what this means for the buyers
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Re: Dark web marketplaces AlphaBay and Hansa shut down [Re: Ogla] 3
#24500180 - 07/22/17 03:00 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well if I was police then I'd be sending the database of clear text names and addys to the relevant countries police force.
The lists would likely be very big though and I doubt they'd actually investigate many of them. They would go for people that bought large quantities if they did.
It wouldn't be worth the effort investigating the huge amount of people buying small for personal use.
Many countries would not investigate buyers at all. Especially in most European countries. Just pointless because the amount of money and time needed for what may amount to nothing or just someone with a tiny amount. Most police don't have the resources to even do this.
A lot of people used to buy on silkroad without PGP and never got any consequences.
They've already arrested a bunch of dealers caught via the Hansa operation in NL and Germany. Site offline, major players busted thats pretty much job done. Thats why the cops are all boasting about it on their websites to the media now.
They actually boasted about all the bitcoin they siezed for theirselves. At the end of the day thats all its about really. Money and control. They don't care if people use drugs. This whole we do it for public health and safety excuse is bullshit they use to manufacture public conscent. If anyone actually cared about users health and crime reduxtion then all drugs would be legal and regulated.
What most lower level police fail to realise is that they are the ones controlling the markets for the real powers that control all of it - the government.
They are just eliminating competitors else they can get too big for them to handle.
Edited by LightRay (07/22/17 03:11 AM)
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Re: Dark web marketplaces AlphaBay and Hansa shut down [Re: LightRay]
#24501860 - 07/22/17 11:34 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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LightRay said: The lists would likely be very big though and I doubt they'd actually investigate many of them. They would go for people that bought large quantities if they did.
my thoughts exactly
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Re: Dark web marketplaces AlphaBay and Hansa shut down [Re: Ogla]
#24502167 - 07/23/17 05:49 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Tor is NOT the only encryption you can use...
Its clearly risky at this point and time to switch. And keep talk of the details off of forums like this
(Or they expand their lists)
I bet of all sites that arent total RC trading, this is the prolly the biggest regular drug forum that is prolly watched. This, bluelight, drugs-forum, etc.
Its prolly how LE stays current. Facebook too
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Re: Dark web marketplaces AlphaBay and Hansa shut down [Re: tacodude]
#24503461 - 07/23/17 05:46 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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tacodude said: It was never considered safe, but easier and safer than buying on the street. Legally though yes it's a huge risk.
If you're an occasional user yes, but if your a regular user RL is 10X easier and just as safe legally.
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Re: Dark web marketplaces AlphaBay and Hansa shut down [Re: Cognitive_Shift] 1
#24504282 - 07/24/17 03:19 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Depends on who you know locally. Alot of the "best stuff" seems to originally come from tor. When i say best i mean most pure, safe, real, clean. havent tried local lsd for a while. Alot of the people i know just get from tor. I miss the days of The Farmer's Market.
And depends on the drugs you use. Its always much easier to order lsd than anything else.
Edited by Fractal420 (07/24/17 03:21 AM)
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Re: Dark web marketplaces AlphaBay and Hansa shut down [Re: Fractal420] 1
#24514580 - 07/28/17 06:07 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Where is the evidence dream was compromised? I haven't heard that, is it just scare talk? Dream is still up and running. Use pgp and you have nothing to worry about. They don't bother buyers unless maybe they are ordering kilos and even then they have to catch them in the act. If it comes and they want a sig but the guy is sure no sig is required he just says "I didn't order that" and nothing the cops can do.
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Re: Dark web marketplaces AlphaBay and Hansa shut down [Re: Stonehenge]
#24515568 - 07/29/17 07:22 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Dream is nowhere near as cool as Alpha.
But the funny thing is, i dont use tor anymore. Ive just seen the outline and products
PS: it is rumored that Dream Market might be run by a scammer, maybe its not so much a scammer but 5-0
Remember the agents did get that whole list of markets too. (Probably from fucking reddit)
Honestly tho from what ive heard i wouldnt risk using dream market for a little bit at least.
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Use pgp and you have nothing to worry about.
When farmers market was taken down, they actually sent letters to ALL the addresses that were provided. Like if you ever even signed up, you got a letter (from the DEA, meant to scare people into calling some 800 number they give, one person i know actually called, they didnt know shit). PGP can help you but tor is more so the issue. But thats okay cause new encryption can be used at any time. No reason to have to stick to tor. its like getting from a set of drug dealers that you KNOW are being watched, and everytime you take a chance. Like this one deli we have in the ghetto where they sell ALL drugs but upon exiting theres like a 40% chance of arrest. Cops loved this place in the bush era and didnt bust it because its a constant source of arrests. Maybe that has changed in the last few years but that was definitely the case for a long time.
Point is, rather than put on blackface (because if youre white walking out this deli, immediate red flag, esp if you didnt buy a snapple or anything else), why not just migrate someplace safer
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Re: Dark web marketplaces AlphaBay and Hansa shut down [Re: Fractal420] 1
#24515633 - 07/29/17 08:09 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Fractal, I'm still waiting for any evidence that dream was taken over or was a honey pot set up by feds. Thats all scare talk and I don't beleive it. I don't really care because I only order small amounts on it. Got a gram of etizolam, this and that. Sure any site could be taken over but that is no reason to panic. Thats what they want, they are trying to sow fear uncertainty and doubt.
Tor is still uncracked, again you are falling victim to the fud tactics. No one has cracked tor, no one has cracked pgp with more than about a 100 bit key and even that took super computers a long time to do. 2k bit keys will be good for decades at least, maybe forever.
What they do is use social engineering, thats how they got silk road. They also use snitches, they bust a mod or admin who was careless, threaten him with life in prison he rolls over and the rest is history. But so what? Just don't leave coin on any site and always check the box to encrypt your addy and messages
Lets say they had all the info in plain text. You ordered an oz of weed, they have the addy, what will they do? Nothing of course, they have not enough for an arrest and don't care about it anyway. If you came down to the station with the bag thats about the only way to get busted for it. A record on an internet site is proof of nothing plus the records are all encrypted.
Farmers market was run by fools. If you prefer to get your drugs on the street or have a super good connection, great. I prefer to have them drop into my mailbox so I can take them in at my leisure. Plus no one source has everything.
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