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LotKid
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Rinsing with cold water after boiling  Did you soak them for 12-24?
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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: LotKid]
#24484991 - 07/15/17 11:57 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Good luck with your new project. I have some growlogs in my journal section if you want to check them out.
Back after a long hiatus, have many plates done up. PE (Chief), Ovoid and some Huatla
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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: Snazz]
#24485207 - 07/15/17 01:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I am doing a BRF/gypsum Cake for PE how long before colonization starts...its been six days and 4 jars don't show any sign of well anything but the other 8 do and there doing great...also what would you use for a casing in a SGFC?
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Never done cakes but a dunk and roll in fine verm will do. Make sure to keep your cakes well hydrated. PE is thirsty and will suck the moisture out of you cakes causing aborts.
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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: LotKid]
#24485234 - 07/15/17 01:55 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks and I don't think ill have a problem with watering, should i be concerned about the four jars not showing any signs of growths on the 6th day thus far...i know it moves slow so im expecting it but the other jars are just moving along fine.
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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: JHOVA]
#24485359 - 07/15/17 03:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I looked at this hpoo tek you shared for cubes incl. PE. Just when I thought I had the hpoo thing solid (using rye berries for spawn), I see this tek, to confuse matters, has us put the hpoo and with verm into quart jars. Thing is, I need to stick to either one thing or the other. Too many teks out there. Hard to know at time which to go with.
Or is there some advantage to doing hpoo and verm inside the jars?
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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: LotKid]
#24485391 - 07/15/17 03:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes I did.
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LotKid
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This time don't rinse with cold water. The steam helps dry the outside of the rye.
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Galaxytripper said: Well I did follow RR's video (courtesy of Willy Myco) and boiled the grain for 10 minutes. Then PC'd the mix for 90 mins @ 15psi.
Where I may have fallen down, now that I think about it, was when I strained the grain into a colandar. I poured cold water onto the grain to cool it down. Remind me (and others) not to do that again (assuming that contributed to the cooking condition of the grain.
So, you boiled the grain for 10 min. Did you pre soak and if so how long? The cold water rinse would have minimal effect IMO.
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Galaxytripper said: I looked at this hpoo tek you shared for cubes incl. PE. Just when I thought I had the hpoo thing solid (using rye berries for spawn), I see this tek, to confuse matters, has us put the hpoo and with verm into quart jars. Thing is, I need to stick to either one thing or the other. Too many teks out there. Hard to know at time which to go with.
Or is there some advantage to doing hpoo and verm inside the jars?
Your shrooms will get the bulk of their nutrition from the grain you use for spawn. One reason why you want a proper spawn ratio. Hpoo works fine, but has a higher risk of contamination than CVG. Your pasteurization technique needs to be spot on with Horse poop. You can grow monster shrooms and big grows with CVG.


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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: LotKid]
#24485476 - 07/15/17 03:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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CapnZ said: The cold water rinse would have minimal effect IMO.
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LotKid said: The steam helps dry the outside of the rye.
Rinsing with cold water would increase the time it takes for the outside of the grains to dry. Rinsing with cold water and then not letting the grains properly dry would leave them too wet which is asking for bacillus or other bacteria.
When in doubt use the tissue test.
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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: LotKid]
#24485493 - 07/15/17 03:55 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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After I apply my casing I keep FAE low and no direct light until the casing is partially colonized. This also helps consolidate the myc which in my experience reduces or eliminates blobs.
I was struck by this step, which is usually not mentioned in standard teks.
So this is just a continuation of the colonization process except with the casing applied. You wait a couple of days after full colonization and let the mycelium consolidate, then apply your casing, then let that sit again until it's partially colonized before applying any light.
So you don't put your shoeboxes into the SGFC until all of this is done, correct?
So do you just keep the shoeboxes in a darkened area until you're ready for the SGFC?
Thing is, usu. we'd use tin foil to cover the boxes, but the shoeboxes have transparent lids incorporated into them. So what do you do? Do you cover them with some opaque material?
And when you say you keep FAE low, do I take it you mean just not fanning the substrate, keeping the boxes covered with whatever you cover them, right?
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Galaxytripper said:
So you don't put your shoeboxes into the SGFC until all of this is done, correct?
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So do you just keep the shoeboxes in a darkened area until you're ready for the SGFC?
No. Ambient light is fine.
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Thing is, usu. we'd use tin foil to cover the boxes, but the shoeboxes have transparent lids incorporated into them. So what do you do? Do you cover them with some opaque material?
You can just keep them covered with the lid. Clear is fine.
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And when you say you keep FAE low, do I take it you mean just not fanning the substrate, keeping the boxes covered with whatever you cover them, right?
Yes keeping the lids on. Putting them in a SGFC with the lids off the shoeboxes ups the FAE. If you have enough FAE you don't need to fan. If you're using a SGFC, just put them in there and mist them when they start looking dry.
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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: LotKid]
#24485546 - 07/15/17 04:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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LotKid said:
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CapnZ said: The cold water rinse would have minimal effect IMO.
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LotKid said: The steam helps dry the outside of the rye.
Rinsing with cold water would increase the time it takes for the outside of the grains to dry. Rinsing with cold water and then not letting the grains properly dry would leave them too wet which is asking for bacillus or other bacteria.
When in doubt use the tissue test.
You always use the paper towel test. Yeah a lot of variables there. I'm assuming he was drying properly which might not be the case.
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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: CapnZ]
#24485548 - 07/15/17 04:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Keep the FAE low while colonizing. When I do shoe boxes I keep the lids on till the surface is 100% colonized.
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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: CapnZ]
#24485557 - 07/15/17 04:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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CapnZ said: I'm assuming he was drying properly which might not be the case.
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: CapnZ]
#24485707 - 07/15/17 05:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Keep the lids on? No airholes? It's just that I hear so many teks that use tinfoil and say to poke 4 or 5 holes in the foil for FAE.
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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: LotKid]
#24485708 - 07/15/17 05:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks LotKid. That's great.
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LotKid
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The lids don't make an air tight seal so there is still GE.
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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: CapnZ]
#24485832 - 07/15/17 07:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes, I pre-soaked the grain for 24 hrs.
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