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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: LotKid]
    #24480200 - 07/13/17 12:28 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I thought gypsum was the extra magic ingredient that mushrooms loved. I mean, wouldn't you use it anyway, rather than say it's not necessary?

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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: Galaxytripper]
    #24480232 - 07/13/17 12:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I thought gypsum was the extra magic ingredient that mushrooms loved. I mean, wouldn't you use it anyway, rather than say it's not necessary?




I have never noticed any difference at all adding gypsum unless it's a poo based sub. What's weird to me is all the people saying coir performs as well as poop, it's just not true, poop Trump's coir

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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: Galaxytripper] * 1
    #24480240 - 07/13/17 12:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

If you have it or can get it then use it. If you don't have any you can still prep your substrate without it.
That's why I said that's it's not necessary because you can proceed without it.
I use it in both my sub and casing. Others don't use it in their sub and some don't do a 50/50+ casing so they don't use it period. So you can get away without it. But, I like to throw it in.

Edit: I think coir is just easier to prep and gets good results. Poo is great though. If you can get it and prep it right do it.


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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #24480881 - 07/13/17 05:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks Machiavelliavore.

I haven't done a monotub or a shoebox before, so I'm stretching out. But from what I've seen, I'm guessing for a shoebox, we do alternate layers, first of substrate, then grain, then substrate, then more grain etc. Is that right?

1) And would there some benefit to that rather than just mix it all together homogeneously, in terms of colonozation?

2) What substrate depth to use for PE? 2 inches? 3 inches?
I'm doing Pan cyans right now, and they're maximum 2 inches in depth.

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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: Galaxytripper]
    #24481006 - 07/13/17 06:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

You can layer or mix, whichever you prefer.

I like a nice thick sub for my PE 3-4"


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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: LotKid]
    #24481408 - 07/13/17 09:19 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Cool. That was an important detail. Thanks!

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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: JHOVA]
    #24481835 - 07/14/17 12:35 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Lol!

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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: LotKid]
    #24482974 - 07/14/17 02:18 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

With everyone's talk about substrate and casing methods, I nearly forgot to ask? I presume I am going to initially use quart jars of rye grain on its own for spawn, correct?

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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: Galaxytripper]
    #24483022 - 07/14/17 02:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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With everyone's talk about substrate and casing methods, I nearly forgot to ask? I presume I am going to initially use quart jars of rye grain on its own for spawn, correct?



I use oats but yes that will work fine. Make sure you properly prepare your grain. A lot of people soak and simmer their rye. For oats I just boil for 30 min or so stirring almost constantly. You want the grain to be cooked thru with the hull intact. Then drain and dry - big spaghetti strainer works well - till the grain passes the paper towel test. Fill your jars 2/3 of the way, seal with your lid / filter combo of choice, cover with foil  and PC for at least 90 min @ 15 psi. I usually go 2 hours at 20......


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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: CapnZ]
    #24483399 - 07/14/17 05:35 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Great. Thanks. Perfect. See, I'm doing grains for the first time with my other Pan Cyan project. Following Willy Myco (facepalm!) I boiled the rye berries initially for 10 mins, then PC'd 8 quart jars. They're colonizing pretty ok. About a third colonized in some cases, since June 25th 2017. Colonized fast in the beginning, I get the impression they should be farther along because of the more "aggressive" myc of pans, and that they have slowed.

From what I've explained, do you think the colonization should be happening quicker? Or do you reckon the grain might not be sufficiently cooked? (Thanks Willy!)

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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: CapnZ]
    #24483407 - 07/14/17 05:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

By the way, is there a reason you use oats? Is that because it's quicker, less boiling/requirements?Or does it matter which grain, unless a particular grain is unsuitable?

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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: CapnZ]
    #24483414 - 07/14/17 05:40 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I use WBS it works great. Oats can be finicky. WBS is more forgiving IMO.

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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: Galaxytripper]
    #24483418 - 07/14/17 05:43 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I use oats primarily because

1). They are cheap - about $14 for 50 lbs which makes about 110 quart jars
2). They are readily available.
3). Less prep than rye

If you do decide to try oats you need WHOLE oats, what they use for horse feed. It has to have the hull on it and cannot be rolled oats.

Check out Bods EAF oat tek. Do a search for it. It works very well.


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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: LotKid]
    #24483420 - 07/14/17 05:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

You're rye doesn't sound like it was properly prepared. You could also have dirty spawn or not enough FAE if the myc stalled.
If you already have rye then use it but prepare it this way:


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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: LotKid]
    #24483422 - 07/14/17 05:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I use WBS it works great. Oats can be finicky. WBS is more forgiving IMO.

I use This



I hear ya, but I've been having great luck with oats! Just picked up another 50 lb bag. My jars colonize in 2 to 2.5 weeks. Since I started using oats I have not looked back...


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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: LotKid]
    #24483425 - 07/14/17 05:48 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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You're rye doesn't sound like it was properly prepared. You could also have dirty spawn or not enough FAE if the myc stalled.
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Any of those are good reasons for stalled jars. But from what you said I bet the grain was undercooked....you want it completely cooked thru with the hull still intact.


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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: LotKid]
    #24483440 - 07/14/17 05:55 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I've seen a few people try switching to oats and have problems. That makes me a little hesitant.
The cost difference between oats and the WBS I use is peanuts. I get 40lbs of WBS for $12.88 and 50lbs of oats for $12.50.
And the Tractor Supply is about 1 min farther down the road then Wally world from me. So both are cheap and convenient in my neck of the woods. :shrug:


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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: LotKid]
    #24483483 - 07/14/17 06:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I've seen a few people try switching to oats and have problems. That makes me a little hesitant.
The cost difference between oats and the WBS I use is peanuts. I get 40lbs of WBS for $12.88 and 50lbs of oats for $12.50.
And the Tractor Supply is about 1 min farther down the road then Wally world from me. So both are cheap and convenient in my neck of the woods. :shrug:



Hey man whatever works! We all have our techniques. I kinda a felt the same way about WBS. Granted both are pretty economical. All that's important is it works!


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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: CapnZ]
    #24483516 - 07/14/17 06:25 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Indeed. I have thought about giving them a try tho.
Who knows maybe I'll like them more than WBS.


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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: LotKid]
    #24484946 - 07/15/17 11:38 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Well I did follow RR's video (courtesy of Willy Myco) and boiled the grain for 10 minutes. Then PC'd the mix for 90 mins @ 15psi.

Where I may have fallen down, now that I think about it, was when I strained the grain into a colandar. I poured cold water onto the grain to cool it down. Remind me (and others) not to do that again (assuming that contributed to the cooking condition of the grain.

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