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Re: Compost tea finished ph fluctuation and bioactivity [Re: El Torcho]
    #24480474 - 07/13/17 02:50 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

I can say that since I started brewing large amounts of compost tea and applying regularly as a foliar drench, everything I have put it on has grown better in one year than the previous years.
I have producing fruit trees in the ground that grew larger, produced greener leaves, and more fruits in a single season than several past seasons combined.
Is it the tea itself or more regular feedings or placebo? I dunno, but based on my experiences, not a guy on YouTube, it works very well for me and I will continue as such.


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Re: Compost tea finished ph fluctuation and bioactivity [Re: turtle_hermit]
    #24480504 - 07/13/17 03:00 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Compost tea finished ph fluctuation and bioactivity [Re: pscyanescens] * 1
    #24480850 - 07/13/17 05:07 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

El torcho, Nuh uhh my guy is smarter :cool:. LOL jk.

But honestly Good stuff, got through about a dozen pages but still looks like I got about 60 pages left with even smaller print lol.  I particularly enjoyed his reasons why to brew ACT. 

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1/ to provide a quick nutrient kick to the rhizosphere. This works mainly because as the flagellates (protozoa) consume the *bacteria/archaea they utilize only 10 to 40% of the energy intake for their sustenance and the remaining 60 to 90% is expelled as ionic form nutrient which is directly bio-available to the roots of the plants. This is known as ‘the microbial nutrient loop (cycle)’.

2/ to begin or continue an inoculation of the soil with a microbial population. Many of these microorganisms will go dormant until called upon later to fulfill their purpose but many of them will grow and flourish, finding their station in the hierarchical positioning of microbes in a living soil. Some, like the fungi will grow out through the soil binding aggregates together, assisting with air and moisture retention, providing pathways for bacteria/archaea, providing a food source for various microorganisms and degrading organic matter to a point where it is available for other organisms.

Within a very diverse ACT there will be free living nitrogen fixers, anti-pathogens and yes a few of the anaerobic and facultative anaerobes which serve their positive role in a living soil.

3/ to potentially provide the microorganisms which may assist in protecting plants from pathogens.

4/ because it allows the use of less [vermi]compost over a given area. There is nothing wrong with using only [vermi]compost instead of ACT if you have that much. ACT just allows you to use less [vermi]compost and it accelerates the microbial process.




I have always been taught with gardening there is good, better and best.  Using compost is probably good enough for your garden. However I am striving for best. This includes having a better understanding of my soil biology. Hopefully with some more reading i can achieve that.  Thanks for sharing the link.  Its always good to learn from multiple sources.


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Re: Compost tea finished ph fluctuation and bioactivity [Re: pscyanescens]
    #24480902 - 07/13/17 05:33 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

How you rate compost extract over the real thing?


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Re: Compost tea finished ph fluctuation and bioactivity [Re: pscyanescens]
    #24481614 - 07/13/17 10:39 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Dualweildrake, Compost is good but worm castings are better.  They contains more beneficials and growth promoters like cytokinins and auxins then compost alone. Compost does usually contain higher levels of macro nutrients then castings but there is no reason you should not be using both. Just because one input is better then another doesn't mean they cannot be used in a harmonious manner.

Worm castings is the primary input for ACT and the process first extracts the beneficials and provides them a place to thrive and multiply.  Tim Wilson (the source El torcho provided) explains ACT as being a "microbe multiplier". More microbes in my garden means better microbiological diversity. This in turn makes the organic matter in my soil easier to break down, consume and go the distance for my plants.

As explained above castings are expensive, especially the higher quality ones. It is more cost effective to multiply your beneficials in a ACT then it is to fill your garden beds up with castings. 20% castings i hear is recommended. That would cost me over $3000 to add castings to my soil at that rate. My garden isn't big enough for that to be practical.

Compost is good. Compost and castings is better. Compost, castings, and regular ACT treatments I think is even better. What is best...? I cannot say, mostly that is a matter of opinion.


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Re: Compost tea finished ph fluctuation and bioactivity [Re: pscyanescens]
    #24482015 - 07/14/17 04:20 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

What if there's worms in my compost....


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Re: Compost tea finished ph fluctuation and bioactivity [Re: pscyanescens]
    #24482252 - 07/14/17 08:19 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

El torcho: Then your compost is better then without worms.

My garden is primarily raised wooden beds with quarter inch hardware cloth lined on the bottom.  This is not only to keep gophers and other large pests out but also to allow the native worms to come in. Good compost and consistent water should attract worms to your garden beds.  This is good but in my opinion it doesn't compare to introducing castings to your soil that contain worms and worm eggs. Or even better a well built soil with multiple inputs that also include worms.


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