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OfflineJacquesCousteau
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How blatant does it have to be before "they" get it?
    #2448029 - 03/18/04 06:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: How blatant does it have to be before "they" get it? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #2449483 - 03/18/04 11:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

maybe their all aliens


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Re: How blatant does it have to be before "they" get it? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #2449569 - 03/19/04 12:22 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I was reading that news earlier tonight.

I've been trying to tell people about the Holocene Extinction Event for a year or so now, but hardly anyone will listen to me :frown:


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Re: How blatant does it have to be before "they" get it? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #2449713 - 03/19/04 01:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I like how the article quoted some guy saying " in the near geological future " which means maybe 1000 years or so till we fuck things up beyond repair.... People who dont realize this will never see the end we bring upon the FUTURE , not ourselves, because they are too trapped in the here;now;self;present;scientific; reality, that they cant see beyond the next , and the next, and the next generation....... our lives are 70 years long, so short but do we even consider how long time has been compared to that, and we cant realize how bad it will actually be if we dont change........... This all ties into my *theory* the 2012 is the time in which humanity will decide as a conciouss whole, by means of a non pyysical global mind "vote" from people on either side of the specturm, to change or face the doom we bring upon ourselves.......... ITS YOUR CHOICE


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Re: How blatant does it have to be before "they" get it? [Re: 2Experimental]
    #2450770 - 03/19/04 08:47 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Mine? :wink:

Kidding, I get it.. :tongue:


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Re: How blatant does it have to be before "they" get it? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #2451275 - 03/19/04 12:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Hmmm. (And by "they" I mean the general public)

Therein lies the blindness. By not including yourself (and others that you perceive as like yourself), you absolve all responsibility and therefore power.

What specifically are you doing to minimize your impact upon the planet and reverse this trend?


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Re: How blatant does it have to be before "they" get it? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #2451339 - 03/19/04 01:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

"they" just don't wanna think about such a big problem when it means giving up our convenient "necessities" like fossilfuel power and doing all those hard things like recycling :crying:


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Re: How blatant does it have to be before "they" get it? [Re: Swami]
    #2451383 - 03/19/04 01:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

"Therein lies the blindness. By not including yourself (and others that you perceive as like yourself), you absolve all responsibility and therefore power.

What specifically are you doing to minimize your impact upon the planet and reverse this trend? "

Aparently he's doing something to help change the world.... whether its recycling your beer bottles, using less paper, walking instead of driving, OR simply being aware there IS a problem, and concioslly making an effort to begin the very gradual change for the better, he's still making a differance, so am I , and many others..... As far as absolving himself from responsibility and especially power, I think you may need to look that word up, because I dont see how he would be absolving power by classifying himself as an "other" who doesent partake unconciouslly in harmful effects toawards earth>?


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Re: How blatant does it have to be before "they" get it? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #2451435 - 03/19/04 02:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

you act as if we are murdering this planet.  we are only but a small portion of this planets life.  we will pollute and destroy this place until it becomes uninhabitable.  we will kill ourselves and other organisms... but this planet will live on.  it will be sick for thousands upon thousands of years.  it will eventually cleanse itself, and everything will be harmonious again...  we are all going to be extinct, because we arent like other organisms.  we have curved the natural selection, and this planet will not accept that.

the best thing that could happen to this planet right now is a major disaster.  sad but true.  :frown:


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Re: How blatant does it have to be before "they" get it? [Re: 2Experimental]
    #2451449 - 03/19/04 02:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I would wager (care to take the Swami Environmental Challenge?) that there are literally thousands of things that Jacques, you, I and everyone on this board does to contribute to the demise of other species. There is no guilty "them". We are ALL part of the problem.

Hell, our mere existence strains other species ability to survive.

NUMBER 1 SOLUTION: Simple. Don't have children!


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Re: How blatant does it have to be before "they" get it? [Re: Swami]
    #2451494 - 03/19/04 02:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

you missed my point, of course there are tons of things we do to destroy earth(myself included in the "we") the point was, some of us are AWARE of the problem and are trying to fix it, as opposed to merly shruging it off as someone elses buisness to handle, this is where the distinguising factor of "me" and "them" seperate.


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Re: How blatant does it have to be before "they" get it? [Re: Swami]
    #2451519 - 03/19/04 02:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think you've missed the point of the original post. It wasn't blaming "them" for what is going on...but asking what it will take before "they" even recognize there is a serious problem here? Placing blame is no use in this situation, and if you read the article you'll realize there's not a damn thing any of us can do to stop this. The Holocene Extinction began long before technology arose, and long before the industrial revolution. It began with a single event: humanity's rise as a species some 50,000 years ago.

However it is quite sad to see so many people who ignore or outright deny the existence of a problem in the first place :frown:


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Re: How blatant does it have to be before "they" get it? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #2452269 - 03/19/04 06:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Making value judgements about the changes our planet is undergoing is an endless well into which we could throw all of our energy, and never make any progress.

Like swami said, the only course of action is to strive to improve our sense of self-responsibility. That is the only way real progress can be made. Improving the condition of the Whole starts with the individual.

Until the day comes when we are operating in a reality devoid of ignorance, then I think its best to restrain ourselves from looking down on others. And if one did manage to remove himself from the realm of ignorance, I think the whole concept of "us" and "they" would seem pretty ridiculous.

You'll do what you can with your existence.
They'll do what they can with their existence.
The Universe will exist.
No worries... ; )


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Re: How blatant does it have to be before "they" get it? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #2452530 - 03/19/04 08:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

How about smashing the machinery of the system thats killing the planet? How about rewilding ourselves, and the land and living in communion with the earth?

It's so postmodern to moan and wail over our inability to do anything, and the relativity of it all. I'm tired of it. There is a lot that can be done by people who are willing to stand up for it. For people who are willing to reject thier socializiation and the despair we've been fed and simply act. Act not out of some sense of duty or guilt, but out on ones own primal needs and true desires.


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Re: How blatant does it have to be before "they" get it? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #2453049 - 03/20/04 12:04 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I am accepting personal responsibility and moving to Vancouver.  :3rd_eye:


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Re: How blatant does it have to be before "they" get it? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #2453283 - 03/20/04 02:35 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

What is it that makes people feel they need to deny their surroundings? It would be helpful if they could listen to reason.
I don't think it's too out of line to assume that ther will be another major war coming up in the next few centuries (not to mention decades....), and with the way technology is enjoying its little perverted dance of growth, who knows what destruction such an event would reap. Somethings got to change sometime (that is, if people wouldn't mind continuing the species). Valuing life is a useful tool.


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Re: How blatant does it have to be before "they" get it? [Re: trendal]
    #2453296 - 03/20/04 02:44 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Dear MoveOn member,

Are you a Sierra Club member?

The future of the Sierra Club is at stake.

Outsiders are trying to take over the Club by placing stealth
candidates on the Club's board ballot this year. This is driven
by anti-immigration activists, and their tactics are underhanded --
they aren't declaring their real issue positions to members.
They hope that low participation and confusion will allow them
to stack the board of directors.

You can stop this, but you must vote now in the Sierra Club board
election. You probably have already received the ballot in the mail.

We've attached below an outreach from Groundswell Sierra -- a
volunteer network of Sierra Club members working to defeat this
threat. This outreach includes a list of endorsed candidates.
We recommending printing this email and having it on hand as you
fill out your ballot.

If you'd like more information on this threat, go to:

http://www.groundswellsierra.org/takeover_index.php

Thank you,

-Carrie, Joan, Noah, Peter, and Wes
The MoveOn.org team
Tuesday, March 18th, 2004





I got this in an email from moveon.org.

trendal: should we consider making stickies in the revolution forums, with certain topics, which we can use as postboards for news, and updates about various things.

one for the environment, activism, or something of the like ? Nothing for debate, but things just for information?


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Re: How blatant does it have to be before "they" get it? [Re: Zero7a1]
    #2453397 - 03/20/04 03:34 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think that would be a pretty good idea! PM Shroomism, as I'm sure he'd like the idea too :smile:


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Re: How blatant does it have to be before "they" get it? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #2453444 - 03/20/04 04:13 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

"they" = "we."


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Re: How blatant does it have to be before "they" get it? [Re: Strumpling]
    #2453654 - 03/20/04 08:04 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yes, WE..

Sorry everyone, didn't mean to use the word "they".. I forgot how quickly and easily meanings can be skewed by wordings. (Especially in this forum, cough)


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