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LotKid
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Yes. Prep some agar and put a drop of spore solution on it.
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Go agar>agar>agar>grain>spawn your just getting it clean with agar for now, start a thread when u start it so these ppl can help ya. When u get fruits do what Ham said n clone your first,fastest n biggest fruits by splitting it open in your SAB cut a peice out an place on agar. You have several types of agar, pda/mea are commonly used.
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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: LotKid]
#24479000 - 07/12/17 08:43 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes, thanks, LotKid. I did find that helpful. I was looking around for your PE tek, but you beat me to the punch.
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I highly recommend going to bulk with it. I use CVG.
I get the casing thing, and the proportions etc.
But so Coir/Verm/Gypsum for the substrate. I've been trying to get an answer on here as to what exact proportions too: 60/40, 70/30 or what? (leaving aside the gypsum in the equation like Willy Myco does!)
I was getting set on hpoo as a substrate, but now I'm getting mixed signals here. (Thing, is I'll be buying hpoo anyway because I'm simultaneously growing Pan cyans, so I'll have it at least).
But so what's your take on hpoo then for PE? Or do you get great results from just the Coir/Verm/Gypsum?
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If your not using horse poo then skip the gypsum
Follow any proven cube Tek
The reason people think PE is so hard and fail is because it fruits way slower than other cubes. Someone trys PE fr the first time and after 3 weeks of no pins they bug out and start misting too much, or not enough, of they freak out and add a casing when it's already past casing time etc
Just keep the fruiting conditions correct and consistent no matter what and eventually they will grow. PE really takes it's time, but if done right the rewards are worth it
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LotKid
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You're welcome. I don't have a PE tek because you just follow any tek for cubes. That's just some tips I have for the PE variety since some aspects of that variety differ slightly from other cubes. I do the basic prep for my sub, nothing fancy. 2 dry qts of verm to 1 brick of coir. Then I throw in .5-1 quart of gypsum when the coir verm is cool.
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Hpoo is unnecessary for PE. Great for Pans.
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As everyone else is saying, agar is pretty much essential to this hobby. Once you get agar going, it's much easier to continue your grows without starting from the very beginning.
Try shooting spores onto an agar plate again. Just a couple drops. You don't want a puddle in there, but a little water is ok. You'll probably end up getting some bacteria growing on the plate too, but that's ok. That's when you transfer the good mycelium to a clean plate.
IMO, you should skip the LC your first few tries, just because it's an extra step. Just cut a wedge from your agar and drop it into your grain.
Casing is also highly recommended, if not imperative for PE grows. Some say it helps prevent mutant blobs, but that's not a proven fact. At the very least, a casing layer holds in the moisture that PE craves.
If you're not tight on money, purchase one of the agar kits from one of the shroomery sponsors (PM me for who I use). The one I got when starting out comes with pre-poured plates, scalpel, and an alcohol lamp. Great for learning. The same vendor also sells pre-made/pre-sterilized mushroom substrate (base of manure, vermiculite, gypsum and coir) and casing mix (peat, verm, lime, and gypsum) that I have used with great success. In fact, it's what I used first time I successfully grew PE. Buying a bunch of pre-made shit is not ideal, budget-wise, but, it's a quick way to get some fruits and experience under your belt.
Another thing that I like to do is 'consolidate' the colonized grain jars longer than I normally would with regular cubes. I actually do everything a little later than I normally would when I do PE. I haven't had mutant blob flushes yet and I attribute that to delayed spawning, fruiting and casing. Patience is key with PE, but they are so worth the wait.
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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: Bird_Guts]
#24479053 - 07/12/17 09:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks, LotKid. I was looking for your PE tek based on the recommendations here, but you beat me to the punch. Thanks for the good info.
The casing thing/proportions I get. But I had questions about the substrate. So do you, for example, get better results with Coir/Verm/Gypsum than with hpoo?
(Thing is, I'm doing a simultaneous grow with Pan cyans so I'll need the hpoo for that anyway).
Is the CVG formula easier/better than hpoo? Less hassle? Less contams? Faster? -Like, what's an objective basis for choosing one over the other for PE?
Lastly, I've been asking about the proportions for the PE substrate for a bit. Leaving aside the gypsum element, is it a 50/50 Coir/Verm, or 60/40 mix or what?
Thanks!
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Galaxytripper
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Thanks, LotKid. I was looking for your PE tek based on the recommendations here, but you beat me to the punch. Thanks for the good info.
The casing thing/proportions I get. But I had questions about the substrate. So do you, for example, get better results with Coir/Verm/Gypsum than with hpoo?
(Thing is, I'm doing a simultaneous grow with Pan cyans so I'll need the hpoo for that, anyway).
Is the CVG formula easier/better than hpoo? Less hassle? Less contams? Faster?
-Like, what's an objective basis for choosing one over the other?
Lastly, I've been asking about the proportions for the substrate for a bit. Leaving aside the gypsum element, is it a 50/50 Coir/Verm, or 60/40 mix or what?
Thanks.
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Imo use poop if you can get it and don't mind the extra step to pasturize, I wouldn't ever even consider buying pre pasturize substrate from a vendor.
I notice a difference when I use poop, I also believe poop based subs grow way less blobs.
Cubes grow in dung enriched subs in nature, it's what they want, give it to them if you are able
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LotKid
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2 quarts of dry verm to 1 brick of coir. The gypsum isn't necessary. It's easier than hpoo and works just as well.
Edit: Unless you think your pasteurization game is up to par.
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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: LotKid]
#24479091 - 07/12/17 09:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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.5-1 quart of gypsum? Wow. That's a helluvalotta gypsum. That much?
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Quote:
Cookies said: they will fruit on manure
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LotKid
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That's what I use. It's really not a big % by total volume.
Willy Myco has some valid info but a lot of cringe worthy stuff too. Like what you just quoted. I wanted to reach through the screen and smack him when I heard that.
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That's great. Thanks for the pointers. That's a great help. A lot to digest with everyone's kind contributions.
I had some unpleasant experiences on the Shroomery when I first started, people being nasty to me and telling me to use the Search function, and basically RTFM. People seem to be a lot more helpful when you're not a noob.
Thanks for the tips!
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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: LotKid]
#24479135 - 07/12/17 09:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'll let y'all know what I decide on!
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LotKid
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I'm sure you'll make it work.
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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: LotKid]
#24479330 - 07/12/17 11:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yup agar allows you to grow mycelium on a 2 dimensional surface allowing you to separate the mycelium growth from contamination. Showing some contamination on the 1st plate from a spore syringe is kinda the point, since most syringes have some bacteria or other contam. You separate the clean growth to another plate, and do that a couple times to get clean agar to use for grain spawn.
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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: CapnZ] 1
#24479332 - 07/12/17 11:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I like when will myco says " yous guys"
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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: Bird_Guts] 1
#24479661 - 07/13/17 06:19 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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WM: "What chu-gotta-doooo"
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