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Penis Envy Teks?
    #24478157 - 07/12/17 02:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

My PE syringe has been shipped and I was hoping that by the time it gets to my home, that I would actually have a PE Tek to execute. I have been scouring the Shroomery for days now for an end-to-end PE tek, to no avail. Could someone kindly point me to one?

Couple of tek questions:
1) Does PE fruit on horse poo? Is that the recommended substrate?

2) If cakes are not recommended, and if I should spawn to a monotub, what exact constituents for a substrate mix should I use and what mix proportions? 50/50/ 60/40? 70/30?

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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: Galaxytripper]
    #24478195 - 07/12/17 03:12 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I dint think there are any teks perse and pe will fruit on coir or hpoo .. i use professor pinheads bulk sub tek .. its a half brick coir 2lbs hpoo 2qts course verm and a half pint gypsum and i add about 4.t to 5qts water for a 66qt tub... and i do 5 qts spawn to that its about 10qts sub give or take


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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: Galaxytripper]
    #24478208 - 07/12/17 03:18 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

You can use any cubensis tek.  Some people have pulled of epic cake grows of PE, but I think they tend to flop more often than win.  I would suggest you make several mini monotubs.  Multispore syringe to grain is not a foolproof method, you will prolly get some good jars, some bad jars, and some jars that look okay that are bad.  By compartmentalizing them into several minis you can avoid one big fail.  You can also do shoeboxes in a regular mono, or just use say vegetable section bags from the grocery store to make blocks with a jar of spawn a piece in a mono.

Generally speaking, I think most agree that a peat based casing is ideal for PE, and potentially a higher spawn ratio.  You can use poo, but afaik it doesn't have any special advantage for PE.


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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: Boogieman47]
    #24478235 - 07/12/17 03:22 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks BoogieMan47. I'll check that out!

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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: Galaxytripper]
    #24478239 - 07/12/17 03:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I would not try horse poo unless your pasteurization tek is spot on and you are sure. CVG works fine. Also don't do cakes, PE require a lot of water, more than cakes will hold. Do shoe boxes, like below or a tub. Let them colonize to 100% then case them with about 1/2" casing layer. Then fruit.



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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #24478254 - 07/12/17 03:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Some great advice there. Thank you.

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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: CapnZ]
    #24478259 - 07/12/17 03:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Ok. Thanks. What's CVG?

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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: Galaxytripper]
    #24478263 - 07/12/17 03:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

PE is a cube.  Use a cube tek.  Not anything special to grow, until it fruits :freewilly:

HPOO is prime, either ask around for a pile or peruse a pasture for the fuzzy white firefang.  Straw works fine too.  If you're doing a custom mix with what you have on hand, I'd just go by consistency.  Include about 5% gypsum.

Start MS --> Agar

After a transfer or two, Agar --> LC

You can keep isolating on other plates if you're looking for a master culture.

LC --> Grains

Grain --> Bulk sub

Skip the cakes, unless you're making them birthday sized.  It's all about the spawn bags these days.


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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: Galaxytripper]
    #24478268 - 07/12/17 03:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

LotKid does alot of pe, look through his grow logs maybe he'll pop in the tread.
But pretty much what they said.

Coir/verm/gypsum


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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: CapnZ]
    #24478289 - 07/12/17 03:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks. But re The horse poo thing. But don't some of these suppliers e.g Outgrow sell their horse poo already pasteurized? Or is that not to be trusted? And if not, why wouldn't 5mins in the microwave do the trick?

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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: Galaxytripper]
    #24478321 - 07/12/17 03:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

No hpoo needs to be pasteurized at 14 to 165 for atleast 1 hour


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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: Boogieman47]
    #24478389 - 07/12/17 04:22 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

CVG = coir / vermiculite / gypsum. The shrooms will get the bulk of their nutrients from grain you use for spawn. Neither coir nor vermiculite require complete pasteurization because they don't naturally allow contaminates to grow on them. Check out Bods bucket tek for prepping the substrate. I use a 5 gallon water cooler.

For a 66 quart tub - 650 grams dry coir, 2 quarts dry vermiculite, handful of gypsum. 4 quarts boiling water. Check for proper field capacity. You can search a lot of this info on this site with the search function.

Yoosername makes a good point. You up your chances of achieving clean spawn considerably if you learn to use agar. Not saying MS to grain won't work, but if you go that route I would do shoeboxes

Also make sure your spawn to bulk substrate ratio is good. At least 1 quart jar of spawn per shoe box.

Good luck!


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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: CapnZ]
    #24478460 - 07/12/17 04:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: LemurLemur]
    #24478524 - 07/12/17 05:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

LemurLemur said:
LotKid does alot of pe, look through his grow logs maybe he'll pop in the tread.
But pretty much what they said.

Coir/verm/gypsum




:hi:

Don't believe the hype, PE is not very difficult. So far a lot of good advice has been given.
Here's something I posted in another thread.
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Okay y'all. Here's :2cents:

Clean it up on agar if you can.

IME PE benefits from consolidation. Let your spawn sit for a week or more after it's 100% colonized, I do.
I highly recommend going to bulk with it. I use CVG. I also case with 50-50+.
Peat/Verm @ 1:1
Hydrated lime @ 1 tsp per cup of dry peat
Gypsum @ 5-10% total dry volume (gypsum doesn't need to be exact the hydrated lime does)
I don't use oyster shell.

I mix my dry peat, lime and gypsum together and mix it really well then hydrate to field capacity.
I hydrate my verm separately. When both are properly hydrated I mix them together and pasteurize.
You may find this helpful:


I don't add my casing until the bulk sub is 100% colonized. I even let it sit for a couple days at 100%.
I like to add my casing at about 1/2" thick. I like to mist my sub before adding my casing and mist it again after I apply the casing.

Example:



After I apply my casing I keep FAE low and no direct light until the casing is partially colonized.
This also helps consolidate the myc which in my experience reduces or eliminates blobs.
Once my casing looks like this:


(see the myc just staring to peak out in spots?)
I increase FAE and start with direct light.
IME PE requires more water than classic cubes so make sure to keep them hydrated.
They also seem to like a little more FAE too. 

I highly recommend using 50-50+ casing. When using coir as a casing PE tends to rip through it and fully colonize it.
At that point the coir casing is acting as an extension of the sub and not as a casing.

You need a little patience with PE if you want it to turn out right.
If you're in a rush you can expect a blobset instead of a pinset.

Also yes, 6500k cfl for lighting on 12/12

Hope you find some of this helpful. :goodluck:




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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: LemurLemur]
    #24478529 - 07/12/17 05:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for the info. Agar is a bit advanced for me. I will branch out, but baby steps.

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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: Galaxytripper]
    #24478547 - 07/12/17 05:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

No! No! It is not advanced! It is basic an easy! Search pasty plates.
Your gonna do agar 1 day an wonder why tf u didnt do it earlier haha. Seriously get some agar it is easy an makes things so much easier, faster N CLEANER, personally i see as a necessity if u wanna grow more than a few quarters at a time an hate dealing with mold n bacteria constantly


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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: LemurLemur]
    #24478560 - 07/12/17 05:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: LotKid]
    #24478574 - 07/12/17 05:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

You'll need agar skills for this, but a good way of getting constant first flushes with PE varities is to start a bunch of multi spore projects at once, and which ever cultures fruit regular fruits first under normal conditions, and fast, clone.


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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: hamloaf]
    #24478600 - 07/12/17 05:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

they will fruit on manure

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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: LemurLemur]
    #24478941 - 07/12/17 08:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Oh alright. Thanks. I actually tried agar ages ago. I must have done it wrong. I waited for the agar to solidify, but then I think I squirted the spore syringe into it, but wasn't sure at the time whether that was the correct thing to do, or whether to prick the surface of the agar. Anyway, it failed, with contamination. Maybe my "sterile" technique wasn't up to much at the time.

So would you recommend Agar to start with rather than liquid culture in terms of ease of use and more importantly, benefit?

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