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Galaxytripper
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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: LotKid]
#24485862 - 07/15/17 07:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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And I did use the tissue test, which told me I didn't have excess moisture. Still, I'm getting a fair amount of condensation in the jars, but then again, I don't have a temperature-controlled environment. Just taking advantage of the higher temps. I only do one or two grows a year. What amazed me about the people on here is that they have so many grows under their belt. They must be all working at this full-time, supplying half of America.
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Galaxytripper said: Just taking advantage of the higher temps.
At what temp are your jars sitting while colonizing?
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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: LotKid]
#24486388 - 07/16/17 12:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's around 70 plus up to 75 I'd say on average, when we don't have a heat wave, which happened the day after I inoculated when I got up to the mid-nineties.
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Galaxytripper said: By the way, is there a reason you use oats? Is that because it's quicker, less boiling/requirements?Or does it matter which grain, unless a particular grain is unsuitable?
Most people use oats cause they are the cheapest high quality grain.
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Galaxytripper said: Keep the lids on? No airholes? It's just that I hear so many teks that use tinfoil and say to poke 4 or 5 holes in the foil for FAE.
Correct. Like Lotkid said the lids are not completely air tight. It just allows CO2 levels to stay higher and keep evaporation to a minimum. Once fully colonized take the lids off and place in a SGFC or mono tub. I used a SGFC last time and it worked great....
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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: CapnZ]
#24486852 - 07/16/17 09:07 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oats, due to the hull, will inherently have less surface starch, which has many benefits.
Also when used as g2g, the hull acts like a shell for the colonized grain kernel. Recovery seems quicker imho.
Although my ultimate combo is to start with grass seed then g2g to Oats. Crazy easy to get perfect distribution where each kernel only has to colonize an inch or so in each direction.
Oats also have more staying power for multi flushes when using a low nutrient bulk sub like coir
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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: Snazz]
#24486885 - 07/16/17 09:28 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Jars look wet when they come out of the PC, the moisture will re distribute threw the grain
Just started using oats, easy fast prep but they burst easy so you have to keep an eye on them
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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: CapnZ]
#24487250 - 07/16/17 12:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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So you're saying that this business (in the case of trays with tin foils)of poking holes is unnecessary? I thought the whole premise was that mycelium needs FAE while colonizing as well. Maybe I need to understand the mushroom life cycle better.
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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: Bird_Guts]
#24487261 - 07/16/17 12:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I must give oats a try.
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Snazz
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FAE is a fruiting trigger.
Gas exchange is all you need prior.
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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: Snazz]
#24487284 - 07/16/17 12:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oats, due to the hull, will inherently have less surface starch, which has many benefits
Interesting. What are the benefits of oats, then? Speed of colonization? Less likelihood of contamination?
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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: Snazz]
#24487301 - 07/16/17 12:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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FAE is a fruiting trigger. Gas exchange is all you need prior.
So all that's necessary during colonization is for the CO2 to escape when it builds up? I though myc needed air during that stage.
I must say I've always found this distinction between gas exchange and FAE to be a bit nebulous. That is, if (let's say in your jars) you have a hole for "air exchange" what else is it exchanging except C02 for fresh air?
Or is this distinction really just one of degree?
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Starch is sticky which can lead to clumping.
Plus it's an easy food source for any contams that survived. A lot harder for rivals to eat when all the surface area is non-nutritious.
Rarely are cultures and your sterilization 100% contam-free, so providing an optimal environment for your fungi, but not bacteria can tilt the odds in your favour. Bacteria normally has the upper hand due to replication speed. Fungi has to mature in order to have good defenses
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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: Snazz]
#24487332 - 07/16/17 12:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Gas exchange is because you need oxygen. Mycelium lives underground, so it won't get huge exchange normally. When it gets to the surface and wants to reproduce, then mushrooms appear
It is sensing changes in ratios for humidity, temp and gas composition. We are just trying to simulate such things
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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: Snazz] 1
#24487343 - 07/16/17 12:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Cool. That's interesting. Thank you.
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Snazz
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You're welcome
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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: Snazz]
#24487365 - 07/16/17 12:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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RE: oats Quote:
A lot harder for rivals to eat when all the surface area is non-nutritious
So the oats aren't nutritious to the bacteria but they are to the mycelium? You've lost me there.
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Re: Penis Envy Teks? [Re: LotKid]
#24487396 - 07/16/17 01:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Here's the current state o' me jars.
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Says I only have read-only rights and can't upload images. Hmm...
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Surface area = hull
Bacteria live in a 2D world where surface area = pretty well everything.
Mycelium can hunt inside to the kernel.
Comparatively, a bare grain kernel is just 100% food everywhere
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